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He acts like he's owed something...or already proven it.Physically hes outstanding but think he needs to mature and stick to business in there or wind up just another could have been.He coasts a bit.....too late to mention Michael bennett at Heavy?Dear god what a traink wreck :fight:Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Ohhhhh oh.......Rocky Juarez.Still :-X
What about Curtis Stevens this year? He had a title eliminator to get a fight with Bute against Jesse Brinkley his "I'm gonna knock him out in the first minute of the first round" to getting his ass handed to him, I can't really see him getting back in the limelight.
Was that the glass Joe olympian guy?Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliHe acts like he's owed something...or already proven it.Physically hes outstanding but think he needs to mature and stick to business in there or wind up just another could have been.He coasts a bit.....too late to mention Michael bennett at Heavy?Dear god what a traink wreck :fight:Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
hypocrisy is annoying? well amatQuote:
Originally Posted by amat
as far as I know, no one was touting Audley Harrison as the next greatest crossover success next to Oscar De La Hoya. And whenever he had a performance stateside he was ridiculed because he didnt give it his all and annoyed many fans with his safety first style. Now lets compare that to Ortiz and how he was touted as the best biggest star in boxing to have a crossover success.
If you consider the kind of hype Ortiz was getting before his loss and the way he lost can be considered a bust that he wasn't all they made him out to be.
That you cannot deny. Victor Ortiz had the biggest hype out of all of these people and when the eyes were on him he lost and not only lost he was ridiculed for the way he lost and some people labeled him as a quitter and even said maybe he isnt tough enough to be a champion.
if you go from being touted as "the next crossover boxing success and the kid with the biggest chance of achieving that", to "maybe he isnt cut out for boxing and has no heart", all in one fight, to not call that a bust is stretching it.
he may bounce back but given all he was hyped up to be and the way he lost, that was a bust.
He was more then just "a fighter that was supposed to be undefeated prospect" he was touted as THE NEXT CROSSOVER STAR in boxing, and he went from that, to maybe he isnt cut out to be a champ and he has no heart in ONE fight. Are you saying that isn't a bust? Cause in one fight all that hype came and went. I consider that a bust. Just as I considered Wladimer a bust when he was beat by Corrie Sanders, because they were hyping the guy as unbeatable and a heavyweight only lennox lewis could stop, and then he was knocked out by Corrie Sanders, THAT was a bust. Wladimer has come back and is no longer a bust but you cannot deny he was a bust at that time. Just like I consider Victor Ortiz a bust after the Maidana fight, what he does in the future may change that but considering all he was hyped up to be and the way he lost and how all that hype has disappeared, right now he IS a bust in my opinion.
Rodela got a lot of play on that Thursday Night Fight Club, being so tall and skinny he was naturally touted as one of the most dangerous men in the division (after switching trainers and getting his focus) then he just got outboxed easily twice.
French Gold medalist Brahim Asloum also fell by the wayside after getting snubbed out in both his title shots
I'm not sure he fits perfectly into the subject matter, but for me, Kid Diamond was a let down.
I haven't read the posts yet, but for me it's Diamond.
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Originally Posted by killersheep
Yeah. Curtis Stevens. I'm still beating (whatever guys) the drum though.
Yeah did make a lot of noise until he stepped up.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
Why was Wlad a bust because he got knocked out? All you're saying is that in your opinion he was a bust, clearly he has now proven that not to be the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majestyhypocrisy is annoying? well amatQuote:
Originally Posted by amat
as far as I know, no one was touting Audley Harrison as the next greatest crossover success next to Oscar De La Hoya. And whenever he had a performance stateside he was ridiculed because he didnt give it his all and annoyed many fans with his safety first style. Now lets compare that to Ortiz and how he was touted as the best biggest star in boxing to have a crossover success.
If you consider the kind of hype Ortiz was getting before his loss and the way he lost can be considered a bust that he wasn't all they made him out to be.
That you cannot deny. Victor Ortiz had the biggest hype out of all of these people and when the eyes were on him he lost and not only lost he was ridiculed for the way he lost and some people labeled him as a quitter and even said maybe he isnt tough enough to be a champion.
if you go from being touted as "the next crossover boxing success and the kid with the biggest chance of achieving that", to "maybe he isnt cut out for boxing and has no heart", all in one fight, to not call that a bust is stretching it.
he may bounce back but given all he was hyped up to be and the way he lost, that was a bust.
He was more then just "a fighter that was supposed to be undefeated prospect" he was touted as THE NEXT CROSSOVER STAR in boxing, and he went from that, to maybe he isnt cut out to be a champ and he has no heart in ONE fight. Are you saying that isn't a bust? Cause in one fight all that hype came and went. I consider that a bust. Just as I considered Wladimer a bust when he was beat by Corrie Sanders, because they were hyping the guy as unbeatable and a heavyweight only lennox lewis could stop, and then he was knocked out by Corrie Sanders, THAT was a bust. Wladimer has come back and is no longer a bust but you cannot deny he was a bust at that time. Just like I consider Victor Ortiz a bust after the Maidana fight, what he does in the future may change that but considering all he was hyped up to be and the way he lost and how all that hype has disappeared, right now he IS a bust in my opinion.
Ortiz may yet bounce back, Amir Khan has and is now a world champ, Ortiz certainly has the talent. He's not done just yet, unlike the other guys I mentioned, I think Joel Julio for example can be regarded as a failure in terms of the early hype in his career.
By your reasoning Lennox Lewis was a bust twice in his career too.
honestly by that standard the only fighters that weren't busts were Rocky Marciano, Joe Calzaghe and Sven OttkeQuote:
Originally Posted by BilboWhy was Wlad a bust because he got knocked out? All you're saying is that in your opinion he was a bust, clearly he has now proven that not to be the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majestyhypocrisy is annoying? well amatQuote:
Originally Posted by amat
as far as I know, no one was touting Audley Harrison as the next greatest crossover success next to Oscar De La Hoya. And whenever he had a performance stateside he was ridiculed because he didnt give it his all and annoyed many fans with his safety first style. Now lets compare that to Ortiz and how he was touted as the best biggest star in boxing to have a crossover success.
If you consider the kind of hype Ortiz was getting before his loss and the way he lost can be considered a bust that he wasn't all they made him out to be.
That you cannot deny. Victor Ortiz had the biggest hype out of all of these people and when the eyes were on him he lost and not only lost he was ridiculed for the way he lost and some people labeled him as a quitter and even said maybe he isnt tough enough to be a champion.
if you go from being touted as "the next crossover boxing success and the kid with the biggest chance of achieving that", to "maybe he isnt cut out for boxing and has no heart", all in one fight, to not call that a bust is stretching it.
he may bounce back but given all he was hyped up to be and the way he lost, that was a bust.
He was more then just "a fighter that was supposed to be undefeated prospect" he was touted as THE NEXT CROSSOVER STAR in boxing, and he went from that, to maybe he isnt cut out to be a champ and he has no heart in ONE fight. Are you saying that isn't a bust? Cause in one fight all that hype came and went. I consider that a bust. Just as I considered Wladimer a bust when he was beat by Corrie Sanders, because they were hyping the guy as unbeatable and a heavyweight only lennox lewis could stop, and then he was knocked out by Corrie Sanders, THAT was a bust. Wladimer has come back and is no longer a bust but you cannot deny he was a bust at that time. Just like I consider Victor Ortiz a bust after the Maidana fight, what he does in the future may change that but considering all he was hyped up to be and the way he lost and how all that hype has disappeared, right now he IS a bust in my opinion.
Ortiz may yet bounce back, Amir Khan has and is now a world champ, Ortiz certainly has the talent. He's not done just yet, unlike the other guys I mentioned, I think Joel Julio for example can be regarded as a failure in terms of the early hype in his career.
By your reasoning Lennox Lewis was a bust twice in his career too.
Like OumaFan has said before I'd really like to know how Majesty picks his favorite fighters. He seems to think Victor Ortiz was hyped more then Audley Harrisson.
Victor Ortiz
Adrian Diaconu
Ronald Hearns
Rey Bautista
How dare you say Duddy. ;DA-hole, hey he may get a shot if he beats JCC.
Huh? You mean Edison Miranda? He didnt get k.o.'d, and he was just coming off a big surgery. Believe me if they fought again I'd put alot on Green.Quote:
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Ha Duddy is done!
Diaconu is a good call, I remember JT refusing to debate Daxx a couple years ago that anyone other than Diaconu could challenge Chad Dawson on the light heavy scene.
At the time I named Danny Green which still looks a reasonable alternative. :cool: