Re: " David "Haye is not considering any opponents right now, he needs rest"
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killersheep
Please elaborate.
What? I'm sure Haye/Golden Boy want him to fight Stateside. Considering Golden Boy and HBO's relationship I expect Haye will fight on their station.
Maybe that wont happen if Wlad-Haye does. Which will be good for us fans
I'm not counting on Haye fighting Wlad in 2010, nor am I expecting Haye to fight in America.
Here's the thing when Haye backed out on Klitschko fight the first time, HBO had already invested in publicity for him they had a short spot on him and included him in a 10 minute "boxing's new rising stars" segment. HBO took that as a big eff you from Haye when he didn't go through with the fight and that's something they won't forget.
Now of course if Haye brings enough money to the table then I'm sure they will change their view, but for now he has zero pull in the USA. Sure he's with golden boy, but you don't here anything from GBP plugging him, not a peep.
Richard Schaefer has been all over promoting Haye's last couple of fights in Britain along with appearances from Oscar. They don't shut up about the "star" he will be Stateside. Maybe they are just branching into Europe?
Personally I couldn't give a fuck whether or not he fights in America. Certainly the Wlad fight wont happen there. The winner of Adamek-Doorman would be a good one though
Re: " David "Haye is not considering any opponents right now, he needs rest"
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Fenster
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killersheep
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Fenster
What? I'm sure Haye/Golden Boy want him to fight Stateside. Considering Golden Boy and HBO's relationship I expect Haye will fight on their station.
Maybe that wont happen if Wlad-Haye does. Which will be good for us fans
I'm not counting on Haye fighting Wlad in 2010, nor am I expecting Haye to fight in America.
Here's the thing when Haye backed out on Klitschko fight the first time, HBO had already invested in publicity for him they had a short spot on him and included him in a 10 minute "boxing's new rising stars" segment. HBO took that as a big eff you from Haye when he didn't go through with the fight and that's something they won't forget.
Now of course if Haye brings enough money to the table then I'm sure they will change their view, but for now he has zero pull in the USA. Sure he's with golden boy, but you don't here anything from GBP plugging him, not a peep.
Richard Schaefer has been all over promoting Haye's last couple of fights in Britain along with appearances from Oscar. They don't shut up about the "star" he will be Stateside.
Maybe they are just branching into Europe?
Personally I couldn't give a fuck whether or not he fights in America. Certainly the Wlad fight wont happen there. The winner of Adamek-Doorman would be a good one though
That I wouldn't doubt at all, the most asses in the seats happens in the UK and Germany, it totally makes sense to try and capitalize on that market. But this all comes back to my original point that the Klit can make plenty of money without Haye (although admittedly that would be the most money he would make), therefore as soon as Haye starts playing games book another fight don't let Haye get the lead in negotiations. Haye will still be there, the big payday will still be there and then it's on Haye to make it happen, Haye is not exactly flush with options either, Valuev II meaningless, winner of Adamek/Nipple, Solis. About the same options as Wladdy boy.
Re: " David "Haye is not considering any opponents right now, he needs rest"
If Haye is really in dire need of a long rest after pulling out of 2 fights in the last year and fighting a whopping 2 more, then he might as well try something new. This man is not a proper boxer. A real fighter digs in deep and fights a good 3-4 times a year until he is regarded as great. No way Haye is anywhere near that level yet. What a phoney.
Re: " David "Haye is not considering any opponents right now, he needs rest"
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If Haye is really in dire need of a long rest after pulling out of 2 fights in the last year and fighting a whopping 2 more, then he might as well try something new. This man is not a proper boxer. A real fighter digs in deep and fights a good 3-4 times a year until he is regarded as great. No way Haye is anywhere near that level yet. What a phoney.
Says the English teacher.
Come on miles, you asked for that ;D
Re: " David "Haye is not considering any opponents right now, he needs rest"
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miles
If Haye is really in dire need of a long rest after pulling out of 2 fights in the last year and fighting a whopping 2 more, then he might as well try something new. This man is not a proper boxer. A real fighter digs in deep and fights a good 3-4 times a year until he is regarded as great. No way Haye is anywhere near that level yet. What a phoney.
Says the English teacher.
Come on miles, you asked for that ;D
An English teacher who has expectations about fighters in the sport he loves most, I might add. You don't see me cancelling lessons at the last minute because I'm not happy with certain students nor the money I myself originally negotiated.
I am a full time English teacher and a consummate pro in what I do. More than what can be said about part time Haye and his once a year approach to his own profession. There is no room for slacking in any profession, especially in one where your shelf life is so short.
I just think Haye should stay busy and push on for greatness. If he is serious about retiring at 31, where is the sense in taking any extended break in 2010 after beating the mighty John Ruiz? It makes no sense to me.
Re: " David "Haye is not considering any opponents right now, he needs rest"
Some people are reading an awful lot into a few words from some reporter. As far as we know Haye and Junior are currently negotiating a fight. At the outset Team Haye were making sure publicly that they wouldn't accept less than a 50/50 split. It's unlikely that Team Junior will have agreed to this immediately, so seeing as how they're still at the stage of making offers and counteroffers and seeing how Junior is, as Fenster has pointed out, publicly chasing Haye, then Team Haye are just negotiating through the press here. I'm sure if Junior agreed to a 50/50 split tomorrow Haye would decide he's had enough rest thank you and let's get the fight on. It's all about the money, it's not whether one guy is scared of fighting another.
Re: " David "Haye is not considering any opponents right now, he needs rest"
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miles
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Fenster
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miles
If Haye is really in dire need of a long rest after pulling out of 2 fights in the last year and fighting a whopping 2 more, then he might as well try something new. This man is not a proper boxer. A real fighter digs in deep and fights a good 3-4 times a year until he is regarded as great. No way Haye is anywhere near that level yet. What a phoney.
Says the English teacher.
Come on miles, you asked for that ;D
An English teacher who has expectations about fighters in the sport he loves most, I might add. You don't see me cancelling lessons at the last minute because I'm not happy with certain students nor the money I myself originally negotiated.
I am a full time English teacher and a consummate pro in what I do. More than what can be said about part time Haye and his once a year approach to his own profession. There is no room for slacking in any profession, especially in one where your shelf life is so short.
I just think Haye should stay busy and push on for greatness. If he is serious about retiring at 31, where is the sense in taking any extended break in 2010 after beating the mighty John Ruiz? It makes no sense to me.
Come on miles are you gonna honestly say you work more than one day a year?
Re: " David "Haye is not considering any opponents right now, he needs rest"
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miles
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Fenster
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miles
If Haye is really in dire need of a long rest after pulling out of 2 fights in the last year and fighting a whopping 2 more, then he might as well try something new. This man is not a proper boxer. A real fighter digs in deep and fights a good 3-4 times a year until he is regarded as great. No way Haye is anywhere near that level yet. What a phoney.
Says the English teacher.
Come on miles, you asked for that ;D
An English teacher who has expectations about fighters in the sport he loves most, I might add. You don't see me cancelling lessons at the last minute because I'm not happy with certain students nor the money I myself originally negotiated.
I am a full time English teacher and a consummate pro in what I do. More than what can be said about part time Haye and his once a year approach to his own profession. There is no room for slacking in any profession, especially in one where your shelf life is so short.
I just think Haye should stay busy and push on for greatness. If he is serious about retiring at 31, where is the sense in taking any extended break in 2010 after beating the mighty John Ruiz? It makes no sense to me.
You wouldn't do your job for free though, right? And it doesn't entail the possiblilty of you getting dead... Unless you come across a mental student of course
Re: " David "Haye is not considering any opponents right now, he needs rest"
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killersheep
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miles
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Fenster
Says the English teacher.
Come on miles, you asked for that ;D
An English teacher who has expectations about fighters in the sport he loves most, I might add. You don't see me cancelling lessons at the last minute because I'm not happy with certain students nor the money I myself originally negotiated.
I am a full time English teacher and a consummate pro in what I do. More than what can be said about part time Haye and his once a year approach to his own profession. There is no room for slacking in any profession, especially in one where your shelf life is so short.
I just think Haye should stay busy and push on for greatness. If he is serious about retiring at 31, where is the sense in taking any extended break in 2010 after beating the mighty John Ruiz? It makes no sense to me.
Come on miles are you gonna honestly say you work more than one day a year?
Including preparation, absolutely. :cool:
Re: " David "Haye is not considering any opponents right now, he needs rest"
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miles
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Fenster
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miles
If Haye is really in dire need of a long rest after pulling out of 2 fights in the last year and fighting a whopping 2 more, then he might as well try something new. This man is not a proper boxer. A real fighter digs in deep and fights a good 3-4 times a year until he is regarded as great. No way Haye is anywhere near that level yet. What a phoney.
Says the English teacher.
Come on miles, you asked for that ;D
An English teacher who has expectations about fighters in the sport he loves most, I might add. You don't see me cancelling lessons at the last minute because I'm not happy with certain students nor the money I myself originally negotiated.
I am a full time English teacher and a consummate pro in what I do. More than what can be said about part time Haye and his once a year approach to his own profession. There is no room for slacking in any profession, especially in one where your shelf life is so short.
I just think Haye should stay busy and push on for greatness. If he is serious about retiring at 31, where is the sense in taking any extended break in 2010 after beating the mighty John Ruiz? It makes no sense to me.
And I agree about being a professional in whatever you're doing. In my profession as an concept artist, if I were to pull out after verbally agreeing with 2 clients, then more than likely my reputation in the business takes a considerable massive hit. Word will spread around that I'm wasting people's time and not being a consummate pro.
But with boxing and all the bullshit politics involved can this happen and you have legions of people defending it left and right and blaming it on the other guy.
Mark my words, when Wlad decides enough with the bullshit and fights someone else this board will go back to blaming him for being a coward and ducKing Haye like people here have done.
Re: " David "Haye is not considering any opponents right now, he needs rest"
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Fenster
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miles
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Fenster
Says the English teacher.
Come on miles, you asked for that ;D
An English teacher who has expectations about fighters in the sport he loves most, I might add. You don't see me cancelling lessons at the last minute because I'm not happy with certain students nor the money I myself originally negotiated.
I am a full time English teacher and a consummate pro in what I do. More than what can be said about part time Haye and his once a year approach to his own profession. There is no room for slacking in any profession, especially in one where your shelf life is so short.
I just think Haye should stay busy and push on for greatness. If he is serious about retiring at 31, where is the sense in taking any extended break in 2010 after beating the mighty John Ruiz? It makes no sense to me.
You wouldn't do your job for free though, right? And it doesn't entail the possiblilty of you getting dead... Unless you come across a mental student of course
No, I wouldn't work for free. I agree that's not right, but Haye's reluctance to fight more than once or twice a year has been well noted and now talk of extended breaks. It's just not how a top level fighter should be. He's just had a fight and deserves a break, but any other fighter would be looking to bounce back within 3-5 months.
Re: " David "Haye is not considering any opponents right now, he needs rest"
concept artist
english teacher
bloke that gets punched for a living
Sort of not the same?
Re: " David "Haye is not considering any opponents right now, he needs rest"
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Fenster
concept artist
english teacher
bloke that gets punched for a living
Sort of not the same?
Compare to other people that get punched for a living then, who fights less than him? Guzman? B-Hop?
Re: " David "Haye is not considering any opponents right now, he needs rest"
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concept artist
english teacher
bloke that gets punched for a living
Sort of not the same?
They are not the same. I didn't bring up being an English teacher though. All people are saying is that it isn't unreasonable to expect a top level boxer to be fighting a good 3 times a year. Both of the Klits are doing it, so why does Haye who is not on their level yet need to be taking breaks now? He should be looking to be fighting them right now.
Re: " David "Haye is not considering any opponents right now, he needs rest"
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Fenster
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Originally Posted by
miles
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Fenster
Says the English teacher.
Come on miles, you asked for that ;D
An English teacher who has expectations about fighters in the sport he loves most, I might add. You don't see me cancelling lessons at the last minute because I'm not happy with certain students nor the money I myself originally negotiated.
I am a full time English teacher and a consummate pro in what I do. More than what can be said about part time Haye and his once a year approach to his own profession. There is no room for slacking in any profession, especially in one where your shelf life is so short.
I just think Haye should stay busy and push on for greatness. If he is serious about retiring at 31, where is the sense in taking any extended break in 2010 after beating the mighty John Ruiz? It makes no sense to me.
You wouldn't do your job for free though, right? And it doesn't entail the possiblilty of you getting dead... Unless you come across a mental student of course
So are you saying HBO (who had booked the date already) would not have paid Haye?
