Re: Margarito-Pacquiao seems dangerous to me
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Pacs biggest jump in weight only happend over the last couple of years. so yes if we focus on weight then it actually does look more dodgey. And you can't bring floyd into this. Why? cuz he past the test! LOL theres no question marks.
How many other fighters were accused, offer the chance of testing and refused (and thats not even mentioning the amount of money involved)? Please let me know and i'll be talking exactly the same way about those guys too.
LEt's not forget that Pac has agreed to everything and was waiting on PBF's response this past week and its floyd that's ghost...
Bob Arum has said they agreed to have the blood being tested or how they are fine with a blood test but didn't want to go into details:rolleyes:. I am yet to hear/see Bob Arum say that they totally agree to an Olympic Style Random Blood/Urine Tests just like Shane Mosley did with no problem whatsoever. If there is a video out there on YouTube where Bob Arum agrees to it just like that, I would like to see it. Not just a vague "we have agreed to some tests...things have been negotiated, just waiting on Floyd...". Can't really trust a guy who is known to be a snake, support and defend a cheat, and look for contradicting excuses to not have his guy's blood tested.
What's the matter, can't trust the press? Medias like yahoo boxing, fight news, ESPN's Dan Rafael and many more qouted Arum's statements regarding the drug issue. He has been pretty much vocal about Pac already agreeing to the USADA blood/urine random testing LEADING UP TO THE FIGHT... which means there's no 7,10,14, or 20 days window like Floyd and Shane did.
Re: Margarito-Pacquiao seems dangerous to me
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Pacstraightleft
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Chino
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JonesJrMayweather
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Hornfinger
Pacs biggest jump in weight only happend over the last couple of years. so yes if we focus on weight then it actually does look more dodgey. And you can't bring floyd into this. Why? cuz he past the test! LOL theres no question marks.
How many other fighters were accused, offer the chance of testing and refused (and thats not even mentioning the amount of money involved)? Please let me know and i'll be talking exactly the same way about those guys too.
LEt's not forget that Pac has agreed to everything and was waiting on PBF's response this past week and its floyd that's ghost...
Bob Arum has said they agreed to have the blood being tested or how they are fine with a blood test but didn't want to go into details:rolleyes:. I am yet to hear/see Bob Arum say that they totally agree to an Olympic Style Random Blood/Urine Tests just like Shane Mosley did with no problem whatsoever. If there is a video out there on YouTube where Bob Arum agrees to it just like that, I would like to see it. Not just a vague "we have agreed to some tests...things have been negotiated, just waiting on Floyd...". Can't really trust a guy who is known to be a snake, support and defend a cheat, and look for contradicting excuses to not have his guy's blood tested.
What's the matter, can't trust the press? Medias like yahoo boxing, fight news, ESPN's Dan Rafael and many more qouted Arum's statements regarding the drug issue. He has been pretty much vocal about Pac already agreeing to the USADA blood/urine random testing LEADING UP TO THE FIGHT... which means there's no 7,10,14, or 20 days window like Floyd and Shane did.
again that's what Arum said, but well as we all know Bob Arum is full of shit, if Mayweather doesn't want to sign now (even if it's with a valid excuse) Pacquiao should go ahead and look for another fight (although i don't think it should be against Cotto or Margarito)
Re: Margarito-Pacquiao seems dangerous to me
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Pacstraightleft
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Chino
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JonesJrMayweather
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Hornfinger
Pacs biggest jump in weight only happend over the last couple of years. so yes if we focus on weight then it actually does look more dodgey. And you can't bring floyd into this. Why? cuz he past the test! LOL theres no question marks.
How many other fighters were accused, offer the chance of testing and refused (and thats not even mentioning the amount of money involved)? Please let me know and i'll be talking exactly the same way about those guys too.
LEt's not forget that Pac has agreed to everything and was waiting on PBF's response this past week and its floyd that's ghost...
Bob Arum has said they agreed to have the blood being tested or how they are fine with a blood test but didn't want to go into details:rolleyes:. I am yet to hear/see Bob Arum say that they totally agree to an Olympic Style Random Blood/Urine Tests just like Shane Mosley did with no problem whatsoever. If there is a video out there on YouTube where Bob Arum agrees to it just like that, I would like to see it. Not just a vague "we have agreed to some tests...things have been negotiated, just waiting on Floyd...". Can't really trust a guy who is known to be a snake, support and defend a cheat, and look for contradicting excuses to not have his guy's blood tested.
What's the matter, can't trust the press? Medias like yahoo boxing, fight news, ESPN's Dan Rafael and many more qouted Arum's statements regarding the drug issue. He has been pretty much vocal about Pac already agreeing to the USADA blood/urine random testing LEADING UP TO THE FIGHT... which means there's no 7,10,14, or 20 days window like Floyd and Shane did.
again that's what Arum said, but well as we all know Bob Arum is full of shit, if Mayweather doesn't want to sign now (even if it's with a valid excuse) Pacquiao should go ahead and look for another fight (although i don't think it should be against Cotto or Margarito)
If Arum is not believable, then why doesn't Mayweather just call Arum's bluff and agree to the fight in principle? The actual blood test issue will then come out in the open and we'll know.
If there is a discrepancy with the blood/urine drug test issue, then Floyd may have a legitimate excuse. But at this point, his silence is highly suspicious.
Re: Margarito-Pacquiao seems dangerous to me
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InTheNeutralCorner
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ElTerribleMorales
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Pacstraightleft
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Chino
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JonesJrMayweather
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Hornfinger
Pacs biggest jump in weight only happend over the last couple of years. so yes if we focus on weight then it actually does look more dodgey. And you can't bring floyd into this. Why? cuz he past the test! LOL theres no question marks.
How many other fighters were accused, offer the chance of testing and refused (and thats not even mentioning the amount of money involved)? Please let me know and i'll be talking exactly the same way about those guys too.
LEt's not forget that Pac has agreed to everything and was waiting on PBF's response this past week and its floyd that's ghost...
Bob Arum has said they agreed to have the blood being tested or how they are fine with a blood test but didn't want to go into details:rolleyes:. I am yet to hear/see Bob Arum say that they totally agree to an Olympic Style Random Blood/Urine Tests just like Shane Mosley did with no problem whatsoever. If there is a video out there on YouTube where Bob Arum agrees to it just like that, I would like to see it. Not just a vague "we have agreed to some tests...things have been negotiated, just waiting on Floyd...". Can't really trust a guy who is known to be a snake, support and defend a cheat, and look for contradicting excuses to not have his guy's blood tested.
What's the matter, can't trust the press? Medias like yahoo boxing, fight news, ESPN's Dan Rafael and many more qouted Arum's statements regarding the drug issue. He has been pretty much vocal about Pac already agreeing to the USADA blood/urine random testing LEADING UP TO THE FIGHT... which means there's no 7,10,14, or 20 days window like Floyd and Shane did.
again that's what Arum said, but well as we all know Bob Arum is full of shit, if Mayweather doesn't want to sign now (even if it's with a valid excuse) Pacquiao should go ahead and look for another fight (although i don't think it should be against Cotto or Margarito)
If Arum is not believable, then why doesn't Mayweather just call Arum's bluff and agree to the fight in principle? The actual blood test issue will then come out in the open and we'll know.
If there is a discrepancy with the blood/urine drug test issue, then Floyd may have a legitimate excuse. But at this point, his silence is highly suspicious.
well Ellerbe has already spoke on his behalf, so basically we're left with who do we believe, both have history of stretching the truth or well telling blatant lies, this crap will be cleared up soon enough, i say if after August 2nd Floyd doesn't speak on his own behalf well he deserves anything that comes his way, regardless if Roger gets jail time or not
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ElTerribleMorales
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InTheNeutralCorner
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ElTerribleMorales
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Pacstraightleft
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Chino
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JonesJrMayweather
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Hornfinger
Pacs biggest jump in weight only happend over the last couple of years. so yes if we focus on weight then it actually does look more dodgey. And you can't bring floyd into this. Why? cuz he past the test! LOL theres no question marks.
How many other fighters were accused, offer the chance of testing and refused (and thats not even mentioning the amount of money involved)? Please let me know and i'll be talking exactly the same way about those guys too.
LEt's not forget that Pac has agreed to everything and was waiting on PBF's response this past week and its floyd that's ghost...
Bob Arum has said they agreed to have the blood being tested or how they are fine with a blood test but didn't want to go into details:rolleyes:. I am yet to hear/see Bob Arum say that they totally agree to an Olympic Style Random Blood/Urine Tests just like Shane Mosley did with no problem whatsoever. If there is a video out there on YouTube where Bob Arum agrees to it just like that, I would like to see it. Not just a vague "we have agreed to some tests...things have been negotiated, just waiting on Floyd...". Can't really trust a guy who is known to be a snake, support and defend a cheat, and look for contradicting excuses to not have his guy's blood tested.
What's the matter, can't trust the press? Medias like yahoo boxing, fight news, ESPN's Dan Rafael and many more qouted Arum's statements regarding the drug issue. He has been pretty much vocal about Pac already agreeing to the USADA blood/urine random testing LEADING UP TO THE FIGHT... which means there's no 7,10,14, or 20 days window like Floyd and Shane did.
again that's what Arum said, but well as we all know Bob Arum is full of shit, if Mayweather doesn't want to sign now (even if it's with a valid excuse) Pacquiao should go ahead and look for another fight (although i don't think it should be against Cotto or Margarito)
If Arum is not believable, then why doesn't Mayweather just call Arum's bluff and agree to the fight in principle? The actual blood test issue will then come out in the open and we'll know.
If there is a discrepancy with the blood/urine drug test issue, then Floyd may have a legitimate excuse. But at this point, his silence is highly suspicious.
well
Ellerbe has already spoke on his behalf, so basically we're left with who do we believe, both have history of stretching the truth or well telling blatant lies, this crap will be cleared up soon enough, i say if after August 2nd Floyd doesn't speak on his own behalf well he deserves anything that comes his way, regardless if Roger gets jail time or not
Floyd didn't need anybody to do the talking for him before. Why now?
But August 2nd is around the corner. Just don't set your hopes high.
Re: Margarito-Pacquiao seems dangerous to me
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Tony fighting Manny without concrete blocks? Lol. Pacquiao would run right through him, gun blazing with both hands. Toe to toe action with weird in-and-out-circleling motion, combos after combos, unleashing 96 punches per round. He'd blitz the pillow fisted Margocheato so fast and will make him quit before round 6.
The problem is Pacquiao won't get the same leverage against a guy who is 5'11, I think he would really have to work the body, and to do so he will have to get inside. Another thing is Manny might be throw 70-90 punches a round, but Marg usually throws 90-110 punches a round. WHen Manny fought Clottey he threw in the 1200's in terms of punches, Margarito threw over 1700.
I honestly don't think Margarito has the speed to beat Manny who shouldn't buckle like Cotto did under the pressure, but this could be very dangerous if Margarito actually learns to cut off the ring and not just charge straight forward.
Margarito is a very active fighter, and he cuts the ring off better than anyone would want to give him credit for. Problem with the Mosley fight is he was out-gunned all the way throughout the match. He doesn't know how to find room to breathe or tie up. I give him a ton of credit for his fighting style and he is a blood and guts warrior. He also stays in tremendous shape. I give Mosley full credit for beating him like he did. I don't think Pac will beat him in the same fashion. Simply for one reason.
Margarito is 5'11" pac is barely 5'7"
Marg wont be the 1st taller opponent Pac has beaten. Speed is the key, particularly against a slow come forward fighter. I can Manny darting in and out of range all night getting his shots off and not being hit back. Marg was a good fighter but it remains to be seen if he can still walk through shots like he used to cuz last time I saw him against a 38 year old he took a beating that bordered on rape.Tony showed that with concrete wraps he could eventually wear Cotto down but without em he got smoked by an old man. Pacs in his prime and if he begins to have any trouble with Margs style he can fall back on his superior footwork and outbox Marg. He wont try to outblast him right away but I think Marg will take so many clean shots that will be quite easy for Manny to do what he likes with him. Pac wont have the 1 shot power of Shane but he will wear Marg down like he did to Diaz. Just watch Tonys last fight, the indestructable fighter from yesteryear we remember was replaced when his handwraps were and he will never be the same again.
Re: Margarito-Pacquiao seems dangerous to me
Firstly, Margerito probably doesn't deserve a payday of this magnitude! Pacman should outbox him in and out all day long, but it's definitely a toughy, especially considering Margerito takes the term 'granite chin' to a whole new level!
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Firstly, Margerito probably doesn't deserve a payday of this magnitude! Pacman should outbox him in and out all day long, but it's definitely a toughy, especially considering Margerito takes the term 'granite chin' to a whole new level!
Shane Mosley already showed that if you hit it enough you can crack it and although Pacquiao doesn't hit as hard as Mosley he does throw more and has the stamina to do it all 12 rounds, IMO he stops Margarito around the 9th or 10th
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Margarito's very underrated uppercut will be the key punch coming in. I can see him catching Pacquiao jumping in and dropping him hard. This fight should end with Pacquiao's corner stopping it
Re: Margarito-Pacquiao seems dangerous to me
It'll be similar to Pac-Clottey...
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It'll be similar to Pac-Clottey...
No way Margarito will be as inactive as Clottey was. No way
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It'll be similar to the Pac-Clottey result...
No way Margarito will be as inactive as Clottey was. No way
I could have been more clear on my comment....
Fixed it now.
Of course we all know Margarito is far more active and will bring more in 2 rds. of the fight then if Clottey fought Pac twice.
The end result will be the same a Pac win.
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Pacroid AKA Manny Catchweight ;D
Theres a new sign in The Wild Card gym that says..
'If ya can't beat em, weight drain em'
Re: Margarito-Pacquiao seems dangerous to me
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Margarito's very underrated uppercut will be the key punch coming in. I can see him catching Pacquiao jumping in and dropping him hard. This fight should end with Pacquiao's corner stopping it
The FIRST person thinking this is a good fight and that Margacheato can win.
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There isn't any proof that Pacman cheated at all, I think they just didn't want to fight Mayweather at that time, and he was pissed off by what Mayweather's camp was saying.
So if I get accused of killing somone, as long as I don't turn up to court I'm innocent?
If I have the oppotunity to clear my name and earn a few million off it at the same time but refuse it all rather than go to court I'm innocent anyway am I?
People need to stop being so
thickle.
FICKLE is the word you are looking for.
I don't know if Pacquiao did something to you when you were younger, or what, but there's no reason to harbor that much resentment for a fighter.
Beating a fighter for the first time, second time, whatever... they are professional athletes. You are a fanboy, by declaring that a fighter has nothing to offer after a loss. Think about what you are saying. How about Glen Johnson? Emmanuel Augustas? Hell, Pacquiao's got a couple KO losses on his record...
WHAT IS YOUR POINT? We are trying to determine whether this is a logical fight, and you still can't get over whether Pac is taking PEDs.
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Everyone on this site thought margarito was a fair sports man till he got found out. Now since that everyone on hear is screaming that toni cheated his whole carear.
And Why wouldn't we think that? It stands to reason, that someone who is willing to do something that dangerous at a life's expense is capable of committing that crime another time. Toni is NOT A VICTIM.
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The ONLY reason why there is no evidence of pac is cuz he refused testing.
Pacquiao refused to take a random drug test, yes. Earlier this year, yes. But he did not have a contract for a fight, nor was there any reason why he should have to. Mayweather's camp demanded he take a drug test, under suspicion only. That is no different than me asking you to take a drug test right now.
... Yeah I am pretty sure you would say no, Right?
