Real World champions who were British and number 1

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by 0james0

Most people will hate to admit it, but Haye as a cruiser was definatley top dog.

It's funny, as much as I love Hatton, I never quite considered him the very best at any point. There were always those question marks about how he would do against the very best. Those marks were Unfortunatley answered.

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Yeah they'll hate to admit it but it's a fact. Haye was lineal cruiserweight champion.

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Haye never beat Cunningham who held the IBF belt so was never the undisputed champion...

I think he would of beaten him, but it never happened.

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Cunningham won a vacant IBF title stripped from O'Neil Bell.

Mormeck and Bell fought with the WBC, WBA and IBF titles on the line, which also restarted the lineage which had ended when Holyfield moved to heavyweight.

That makes Haye THE man ;)

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by Preme

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by 0james0

Most people will hate to admit it, but Haye as a cruiser was definatley top dog.

It's funny, as much as I love Hatton, I never quite considered him the very best at any point. There were always those question marks about how he would do against the very best. Those marks were Unfortunatley answered.

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Yeah they'll hate to admit it but it's a fact. Haye was lineal cruiserweight champion.

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Haye never beat Cunningham who held the IBF belt so was never the undisputed champion...

I think he would of beaten him, but it never happened.

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Cunningham won a vacant IBF title stripped from O'Neil Bell.

Mormeck and Bell fought with the WBC, WBA and IBF titles on the line, which also restarted the lineage which had ended when Holyfield moved to heavyweight.

That makes Haye THE man ;)

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Agreed

Are we adding Jim Watt to the list?? Surely the little fucker has an argument to be included!

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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

Are we adding Jim Watt to the list?? Surely the little fucker has an argument to be included!

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question is , was he ever the best in his division ?
argue his case and we can see if he is in or out

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

Are we adding Jim Watt to the list?? Surely the little fucker has an argument to be included!

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question is , was he ever the best in his division ?
argue his case and we can see if he is in or out

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Well for a start when he was beaten by Arguello, Alexis became considered the "man" of the division!

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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

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Are we adding Jim Watt to the list?? Surely the little fucker has an argument to be included!

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question is , was he ever the best in his division ?
argue his case and we can see if he is in or out

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Well for a start when he was beaten by Arguello, Alexis became considered the "man" of the division!

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Thats a backward way to look at it.

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Originally Posted by Master

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

Are we adding Jim Watt to the list?? Surely the little fucker has an argument to be included!

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question is , was he ever the best in his division ?
argue his case and we can see if he is in or out

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Well for a start when he was beaten by Arguello, Alexis became considered the "man" of the division!

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Thats a backward way to look at it.

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Why?

Buchanan should definately be in here,he was best in his division for 2 years.Then he met the young 'hands of stone' Roberto Duran,even then it took duran 13 rounds to finish him and when he did it was a shot to the balls that put him down.You have got to take in to consideration the amount of fights he fought abroad.He fought people in there own home towns and capitals and still won.He beat ismael laguna to win the title,who is one of the best boxers to come out of panama and he beat him on lagunas own turf and if Jim Watt is getting in here then so should buchanan because he also beat Watt in his home town of glasgow.

Oh and benny lynch should be here as well.Definitely worth a shout.

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Originally Posted by erics44

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When was Bruno ever number 1?

Or Froch? The one defining fight Froch has had, he lost. (although I hope he can get a win soon over Artur)

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i think froch is the best in the division

and he did lose to kes, but me as well as a lot of boxing experts think he won

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But he still lost.

Plus the question wasn't who do you think is best in the division. Compare Froch's achievments to even Hayes at Cruiserweight and you'll see there is no way he can be considered a real world champ.

If he wins the super six (which I'm hoping) then he is in with a shout.

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the thread is asking who is officially the best in the division and froch isnt "officially"

i dont want to get into the froch kes debate but i think froch won quite comfortably

if he wins the super six there is no doubt, who ever wins the super six has to be considered the best

So that kind of sums it all up , for instance Haye v Harrison is for a belt not for a WORLD title .
Boxing has gone down hill , sanctioning bodies taking fees for a belt not fit to hold up you pants !

johhny nelson
colin Mcmillan
paul hodkinson
paul ingle
carl thompson
gavin rees
etc etc

all belt holders but never ever to be called world champions !!

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

So that kind of sums it all up , for instance Haye v Harrison is for a belt not for a WORLD title .
Boxing has gone down hill , sanctioning bodies taking fees for a belt not fit to hold up you pants !

johhny nelson
colin Mcmillan
paul hodkinson
paul ingle
carl thompson
gavin rees
etc etc

all belt holders but never ever to be called world champions !!

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whats wrong with the wba?

and i wont have you diss thompson, he should have been a world superstar, what a fighter

its a pitty he has retired, you wont get many carl thompsons again

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

So that kind of sums it all up , for instance Haye v Harrison is for a belt not for a WORLD title .
Boxing has gone down hill , sanctioning bodies taking fees for a belt not fit to hold up you pants !

johhny nelson
colin Mcmillan
paul hodkinson
paul ingle
carl thompson
gavin rees
etc etc

all belt holders but never ever to be called world champions!!

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There's currently around 80+ "world" champions. Only 5 or 6 can actually claim to be THE man in their division.

It's been like this for ages and applies to "world" champs everywhere not just Britain.

carl froch is currently british and world number 1 in many peoples eyes including myself

did sauerland manage to make the froch-abraham fight for kess`s WBC belt that he nicked off the cobra? if so in a few short weeks time we`ll have at least 1 definite answer to this question