Re: Do you ever doubt God's existence?
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If I built a treehouse for my kids, I'd let them do what they wanted with it within reason. They start breaking it up or fighting with one another over it their ass gets ejected. I wouldnt try and wipe them out with a flood or owt, just a bit of time on the naughty step should do it.
God can do anything, he must have a naughty step?
Naughty step I like that analogy ;D.
But people have misinterpreted the fact that consequences come from actions and have instead thrown even that responsibility over to a God they do or dont believe in as a punisher and vengeful prick.
Recon planet Earth and the 3rd dimension can be what ever you you make it.(that is proven just look around). people who have nothing can end up with bliss and a very full life). Others born into everything they could wish for can end up in their own hell and then there is everything and everyone in between.
Earth can even be the naughty step. But if it is, you put yourself there.
This is real ground here and what we want, we get. You have created your reality yourself from the way you acted and thought in the past. (past lives included).
Unfortunately we (in the greater % of people) in our hearts want a Godless human run world.
All the mis forms, derangements and derailments are for the most part all our own doing through evolving the way of thought and greed above feeling and compassion.
God isnt a Man or a woman God is both and also every single atom in every single dimension expanding and at times contracting and even dieing off at times in the worse way for the sake of greater experience. We are also great but we are just a ripple in the whole event you can be the ripple that fades or the whole ocean, its still up to you,you can be a pure ripple or a polluted one too.
Re: Do you ever doubt God's existence?
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God is old, must be, they in South America dug into a hillside, and found Human Footprints at the side of Dinasours. Between 100 and 135 million years old, is that interesting or what. ;D
Modern man/"humans" are thought to have only been around for something like 150,000 to 250,000 years. Our "hominid"/apelike ancestry goes back something like 4-5 million years, so there's no way that man walked with the dinosaurs or that "human" footprints could be 100 and 135 million years old. That's total nonsense.
Re: Do you ever doubt God's existence?
I've never, at least in my adult life, had any belief in the existence of "god". Gods/religions are man created concepts, designed to "guide" you though life, thanks, but no thanks, I can think just fine for myself.
Take Jesus for example, who if he actually existed (which I don't believe he did) was just a man, no more "special" than billions of other men, past and present.
It may sound pretentious and sacrilegious of me to a Christian, but why would I want to think like Jesus did or pattern my life after a schizophrenic holy-man who's probably a fictive character in a religious novel?
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Mars_ax
I've never, at least in my adult life, had any belief in the existence of "god". Gods/religions are man created concepts, designed to "guide" you though life, thanks, but no thanks, I can think just fine for myself.
Take Jesus for example, who if he actually existed (which I don't believe he did) was just a man, no more "special" than billions of other men, past and present.
It may sound pretentious and sacrilegious of me to a Christian, but why would I want to think like Jesus did or pattern my life after a schizophrenic holy-man who's probably a fictive character in a religious novel?
I get not believing Jesus was the son of god but history is pretty set that a man named Jesus of Nazareth did in fact walk the Earth and was crucified.
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Mars_ax
I've never, at least in my adult life, had any belief in the existence of "god". Gods/religions are man created concepts, designed to "guide" you though life, thanks, but no thanks, I can think just fine for myself.
Take Jesus for example, who if he actually existed (which I don't believe he did) was just a man, no more "special" than billions of other men, past and present.
It may sound pretentious and sacrilegious of me to a Christian, but why would I want to think like Jesus did or pattern my life after a schizophrenic holy-man who's probably a fictive character in a religious novel?
I get not believing Jesus was the son of god
but history is pretty set that a man named Jesus of Nazareth did in fact walk the Earth and was crucified.
I've done a lot of research on the actual existence of Jesus, the reality is, his alleged existence isn't even close to becoming a forgone conclusion. My guess is Jesus was a composite of rabbis/holy-men that festered during that period in history. One thing that is certain, the "Jesus" character described in the "New Testament", written 50 to 300 years after his alleged death by unknown authors, is pure religious fiction and/or a holy fairytale.
BTW, Nazareth might not have even existed during the time "Jesus" was alleged to have "walked the earth".
http://nobeliefs.com/exist.htm
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Mars_ax
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VictorCharlie
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Mars_ax
I've never, at least in my adult life, had any belief in the existence of "god". Gods/religions are man created concepts, designed to "guide" you though life, thanks, but no thanks, I can think just fine for myself.
Take Jesus for example, who if he actually existed (which I don't believe he did) was just a man, no more "special" than billions of other men, past and present.
It may sound pretentious and sacrilegious of me to a Christian, but why would I want to think like Jesus did or pattern my life after a schizophrenic holy-man who's probably a fictive character in a religious novel?
I get not believing Jesus was the son of god
but history is pretty set that a man named Jesus of Nazareth did in fact walk the Earth and was crucified.
I've done a lot of research on the actual existence of Jesus, the reality is, his alleged existence isn't even close to becoming a forgone conclusion. My guess is Jesus was a composite of rabbis/holy-men that festered during that period in history. One thing that is certain, the "Jesus" character described in the "New Testament", written 50 to 300 years after his alleged death by unknown authors, is pure religious fiction and/or a holy fairytale.
BTW, Nazareth might not have even existed during the time "Jesus" was alleged to have "walked the earth".
Did Jesus exist?
The reason you cant find him by that name is because it wasnt his birth name.
(Some dick heads changed it).
It was Hebrew for a start well Aramaic then Hebrew.
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i have never doubted gods existance ,
ive always thought he is fiction.
Re: Do you ever doubt God's existence?
No I don't ever doubt God's existence. I am 100% convinced he does not exist. I do not doubt this fact, I do not question it. I would find it a massive hindrance in living a good life to constantly ruminate on the unintelligible and the unprovable. I find even the concept of allocating any importance or time to the worshipping of, or the communion with, a non-existent entity quite baffling. I am also often offended by the view of those that believe in God, that atheists, are some how less spiritual or incapable of living a fully realised and meaningful life. For me the reality of a limited existence, for a finite period of time, on a randomly populated planet,due to a chance collision of DNA material from two similarly randomly occurring individuals makes this opportunity much more awe inspiring. How can you have more reverence for everything around you and feel more inspired by it when you live in a mythical bubble that disconnects you from it. Every second spent on unverifiable speculation is a second wasted. So no, personally I do not spend a nanosecond on doubting God's existence,I consider his absence to be irrefutable and carry on.
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Mars_ax
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VictorCharlie
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Mars_ax
I've never, at least in my adult life, had any belief in the existence of "god". Gods/religions are man created concepts, designed to "guide" you though life, thanks, but no thanks, I can think just fine for myself.
Take Jesus for example, who if he actually existed (which I don't believe he did) was just a man, no more "special" than billions of other men, past and present.
It may sound pretentious and sacrilegious of me to a Christian, but why would I want to think like Jesus did or pattern my life after a schizophrenic holy-man who's probably a fictive character in a religious novel?
I get not believing Jesus was the son of god
but history is pretty set that a man named Jesus of Nazareth did in fact walk the Earth and was crucified.
I've done a lot of research on the actual existence of Jesus, the reality is, his alleged existence isn't even close to becoming a forgone conclusion. My guess is Jesus was a composite of rabbis/holy-men that festered during that period in history. One thing that is certain, the "Jesus" character described in the "New Testament", written 50 to 300 years after his alleged death by unknown authors, is pure religious fiction and/or a holy fairytale.
BTW, Nazareth might not have even existed during the time "Jesus" was alleged to have "walked the earth".
Did Jesus exist?
The reason you cant find him by that name is because it wasnt his birth name.
(Some dick heads changed it).
It was Hebrew for a start well Aramaic then Hebrew.
It's not just the name Andre, I believe the "Jesus" character in the New Testament is pure fiction.
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Greenbeanz
No I don't ever doubt God's existence. I am 100% convinced he does not exist. I do not doubt this fact, I do not question it. I would find it a massive hindrance in living a good life to constantly ruminate on the unintelligible and the unprovable. I find even the concept of allocating any importance or time to the worshipping of, or the communion with, a non-existent entity quite baffling. I am also often offended by the view of those that believe in God, that atheists, are some how less spiritual or incapable of living a fully realised and meaningful life. For me the reality of a limited existence, for a finite period of time, on a randomly populated planet,due to a chance collision of DNA material from two similarly randomly occurring individuals makes this opportunity much more awe inspiring. How can you have more reverence for everything around you and feel more inspired by it when you live in a mythical bubble that disconnects you from it. Every second spent on unverifiable speculation is a second wasted. So no, personally I do not spend a nanosecond on doubting God's existence,I consider his absence to be irrefutable and carry on.
Great post Beanz.
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Mars_ax
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VictorCharlie
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Mars_ax
I've never, at least in my adult life, had any belief in the existence of "god". Gods/religions are man created concepts, designed to "guide" you though life, thanks, but no thanks, I can think just fine for myself.
Take Jesus for example, who if he actually existed (which I don't believe he did) was just a man, no more "special" than billions of other men, past and present.
It may sound pretentious and sacrilegious of me to a Christian, but why would I want to think like Jesus did or pattern my life after a schizophrenic holy-man who's probably a fictive character in a religious novel?
I get not believing Jesus was the son of god
but history is pretty set that a man named Jesus of Nazareth did in fact walk the Earth and was crucified.
I've done a lot of research on the actual existence of Jesus,
the reality is, his alleged existence isn't even close to becoming a forgone conclusion. My guess is Jesus was a composite of rabbis/holy-men that festered during that period in history. One thing that is certain, the "Jesus" character described in the "New Testament", written 50 to 300 years after his alleged death by unknown authors, is pure religious fiction and/or a holy fairytale.
BTW, Nazareth might not have even existed during the time "Jesus" was alleged to have "walked the earth".
Did Jesus exist?
I dont' really have a dog in this fight but lets be serious for a minute. Regardless of your beliefs just about every single Christian, Muslim and Jew believe that Jesus was an actual man that walked this Earth. That is an overwhelming majority of the planets population that believe in his mere existence. Foregone conclusion? Maybe not and I don't know that that there will ever be but Jesus is definitely winning the popularity vote.
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VictorCharlie
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Mars_ax
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VictorCharlie
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
I've never, at least in my adult life, had any belief in the existence of "god". Gods/religions are man created concepts, designed to "guide" you though life, thanks, but no thanks, I can think just fine for myself.
Take Jesus for example, who if he actually existed (which I don't believe he did) was just a man, no more "special" than billions of other men, past and present.
It may sound pretentious and sacrilegious of me to a Christian, but why would I want to think like Jesus did or pattern my life after a schizophrenic holy-man who's probably a fictive character in a religious novel?
I get not believing Jesus was the son of god
but history is pretty set that a man named Jesus of Nazareth did in fact walk the Earth and was crucified.
I've done a lot of research on the actual existence of Jesus,
the reality is, his alleged existence isn't even close to becoming a forgone conclusion. My guess is Jesus was a composite of rabbis/holy-men that festered during that period in history. One thing that is certain, the "Jesus" character described in the "New Testament", written 50 to 300 years after his alleged death by unknown authors, is pure religious fiction and/or a holy fairytale.
BTW, Nazareth might not have even existed during the time "Jesus" was alleged to have "walked the earth".
Did Jesus exist?
I dont' really have a dog in this fight but lets be serious for a minute. Regardless of your beliefs just about every single Christian, Muslim and Jew believe that Jesus was an actual man that walked this Earth.
That is an overwhelming majority of the planets population that believe in his mere existence. Foregone conclusion? Maybe not and I don't know that that there will ever be but Jesus is definitely winning the popularity vote.
Being serious: this is an "argument from numbers" typically called ad populum, or an appeal to popularity. Since most people in general believe jesus existed, and most Christians, Muslims and Jews believe that Jesus was an actual man who walked this Earth, it therefore only makes sense that jesus existed, literally and historically. Millions also believed that the earth was flat, or that the earth was the center of the Universe, does that make it a fact? I think not. :)
Billions past and present believe that "Jesus" was the "son of god", a man, or a man-god that actually existed. There is however a large number of secular theologians and biblical scholars (including me) who've found "Jesus" to be historically non-existent.
When it comes to "Jesus" and the "New Testament", I take all that happy horseshit with a grain of salt, read and learn:
http://nobeliefs.com/exist.htm
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Mars Ex, for Mans Thumb to be as it is took 4million years to develope, to what it is. They are finding things, Artifacts 200 million years old. Also the Footprint was of a man Humanoid 9 ft tall, in tests it was proved thats what it was, also finding numerous others, we dont know half of it ;D
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"There is however a large number of secular theologians and biblical scholars (including me) who've found "Jesus" to be historically non-existent." What exactly is a large number? Whatever that number is, is it also safe to say that an even larger number believe him to have actually existed? I'm no self proclaimed expert on this topic but it would seem that if more secular theologians and biblical scholars believed that then it would be a more widely held belief versus a small percentage and even more so in the intellectual circles. I'm agnostic and have done a fair amount of reading from both sides of the street on Christianity and Jesus particularly and can't say I've read a book from the secular side denying he even existed. I've read a lot with differing opinions on the details and timeline of his life but none that out and out denied him to even have existed. To believe he never lived is to then believe that he was created by a group of people as a imaginary figure head that then spawned one of the largest religions in history. More so that the authors of all the letters written to the different churches of the day chronicling his life were complicit in the fraud. I think it is rather easy to dismiss a man for the lack of record of his life when his familiarity came well after his death. Not to mention its not like we can head over to a public records depository from 2k years ago and furthermore that there is no records of probably more 99% of the people that lived and died during the time Jesus was supposed to be alive. Dismissing the beliefs of the Muslim and Jewish religions acknowledgement of Jesus as simply a popularity vote fails to take into account that they more than anyone would benefit from factual proof that he never walked this Earth and state it daily. IMHO it almost takes more of a degree of faith to believe that the man that spawned one of the largest religions in the world was actually just a conspiracy created by a group of people than to even acknowledge he did in fact walk this Earth at one point.
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VictorCharlie
"There is however a large number of secular theologians and biblical scholars (including me) who've found "Jesus" to be historically non-existent." What exactly is a large number? Whatever that number is, is it also safe to say that an even larger number believe him to have actually existed? I'm no self proclaimed expert on this topic but it would seem that if more secular theologians and biblical scholars believed that then it would be a more widely held belief versus a small percentage and even more so in the intellectual circles. I'm agnostic and have done a fair amount of reading from both sides of the street on Christianity and Jesus particularly and can't say I've read a book from the secular side denying he even existed. I've read a lot with differing opinions on the details and timeline of his life but none that out and out denied him to even have existed. To believe he never lived is to then believe that he was created by a group of people as a imaginary figure head that then spawned one of the largest religions in history. More so that the authors of all the letters written to the different churches of the day chronicling his life were complicit in the fraud. I think it is rather easy to dismiss a man for the lack of record of his life when his familiarity came well after his death. Not to mention its not like we can head over to a public records depository from 2k years ago and furthermore that there is no records of probably more 99% of the people that lived and died during the time Jesus was supposed to be alive. Dismissing the beliefs of the Muslim and Jewish religions acknowledgement of Jesus as simply a popularity vote fails to take into account that they more than anyone would benefit from factual proof that he never walked this Earth and state it daily. IMHO it almost takes more of a degree of faith to believe that the man that spawned one of the largest religions in the world was actually just a conspiracy created by a group of people than to even acknowledge he did in fact walk this Earth at one point.
Charlie, my argument is, there's virtually no secular historical evidence confirming that the jesus depicted in the "gospels" and/or New Testament is anything other than a fabricated character in a religious text/novel. Frankly, I couldn't give a fuck less, what christians, muslims, jews, or anyone else chooses to believe, I don't buy any of that bullshit.
