Re: What's with all these bi-polar people?
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El Kabong
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miles
Well, that last sentence doesn't make any sense and that is because I was rash with the edit. Obviously I do not reject science.
Then why do you reject psychology and more importantly psychiatry? That's science, the drugs they perscribe DO have an impact, they do treat real symptoms and they do provide help.
I find that most people who reject those sciences are either #1 in denial #2 don't fully understand them or #3 they are scared of them.....which are you miles?
I grew up never believing in all that stuff either, but I've seen it in action, I've had life experience, and although I am 100% on board with Personal Responsibility and not blaming problems on a mental disorder or chemical imbalance or whatever sometimes you can't help but explain/treat/handle things through those fields of science.
This was the apparently boring idea I was exploring. Miles claims to be purely a man of science yet objects to the administration of drugs to restore chemical balance because of some commitment to the idea of a natural self, i.e an individual's personality that should for some reason he can't explain be free of chemical contamination, even though all the mind is is the product of chemical interactions.
Anyway I don't want to stop CFH from feeling able to contribute due to the noxious content of my post so I shall stop here.
Re: What's with all these bi-polar people?
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Bilbo
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El Kabong
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miles
Well, that last sentence doesn't make any sense and that is because I was rash with the edit. Obviously I do not reject science.
Then why do you reject psychology and more importantly psychiatry? That's science, the drugs they perscribe DO have an impact, they do treat real symptoms and they do provide help.
I find that most people who reject those sciences are either #1 in denial #2 don't fully understand them or #3 they are scared of them.....which are you miles?
I grew up never believing in all that stuff either, but I've seen it in action, I've had life experience, and although I am 100% on board with Personal Responsibility and not blaming problems on a mental disorder or chemical imbalance or whatever sometimes you can't help but explain/treat/handle things through those fields of science.
This was the apparently boring idea I was exploring. Miles claims to be purely a man of science yet objects to the administration of drugs to restore chemical balance because of some commitment to the idea of a natural self, i.e an individual's personality that should for some reason he can't explain be free of chemical contamination, even though all the mind is is the product of chemical interactions.
Anyway I don't want to stop CFH from feeling able to contribute due to the noxious content of my post so I shall stop here.
Thats a pretty good point there Bilbo. Take that Miles! :)
Re: What's with all these bi-polar people?
People that are actors/artists/creative types have a greater number of mental disorders than people that are not by percentage. So that we have many that have mental disorders should be no surprise.
What is make them great at whatever art avenue they pursue also is or contributes to their mental instability.
Thoughts?
Re: What's with all these bi-polar people?
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boozeboxer
People that are actors/artists/creative types have a greater number of mental disorders than people that are not by percentage. So that we have many that have mental disorders should be no surprise.
What is make them great at whatever art avenue they pursue also is or contributes to their mental instability.
Thoughts?
My thought is that you should spell check your thread and edit it so that it makes sense :p
Onto Zeta Jones. I think we should note a few points.
Firstly, it is the media who have labelled her bi polar I don't believe she announced those words to the world.
Secondly she is a very high profile and wealthy person coping with the very real possibility of the loss of her husband. She can afford the costs of going off to a specialist centre for the kind of therepy and one to one psychological counselling that would probably be a benefit to a lot of us at times in our life if we could justify the expense.
I don't see the big deal really. It's the same as going to a spar or health retreat for a few days of detox. Most of are in no position to do such a thing, but if we were multi millionaires with no limits it would be quite common to kickstart a health plan that way.
Similarly here she was feeling down and so did this to help lift her mood,a change of scenery, chance to talk through her problems in a secure enviroment etc.
That the tabloids decided to run with the article 'Zeta Jones Bi Polar' really says more about them and us than her.
Re: What's with all these bi-polar people?
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Bilbo
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boozeboxer
People that are actors/artists/creative types have a greater number of mental disorders than people that are not by percentage. So that we have many that have mental disorders should be no surprise.
What is make them great at whatever art avenue they pursue also is or contributes to their mental instability.
Thoughts?
My thought is that you should spell check your thread and edit it so that it makes sense :p
Onto Zeta Jones. I think we should note a few points.
Firstly, it is the media who have labelled her bi polar I don't believe she announced those words to the world.
Secondly she is a very high profile and wealthy person coping with the very real possibility of the loss of her husband. She can afford the costs of going off to a specialist centre for the kind of therepy and one to one psychological counselling that would probably be a benefit to a lot of us at times in our life if we could justify the expense.
I don't see the big deal really. It's the same as going to a spar or health retreat for a few days of detox. Most of are in no position to do such a thing, but if we were multi millionaires with no limits it would be quite common to kickstart a health plan that way.
Similarly here she was feeling down and so did this to help lift her mood,a change of scenery, chance to talk through her problems in a secure enviroment etc.
That the tabloids decided to run with the article 'Zeta Jones Bi Polar' really says more about them and us than her.
good point Kev. I am trying to eat over lunch hour/talk on phone/write coherent posts.......
Re: What's with all these bi-polar people?
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boozeboxer
People that are actors/artists/creative types have a greater number of mental disorders than people that are not by percentage. So that we have many that have mental disorders should be no surprise.
What is make them great at whatever art avenue they pursue also is or contributes to their mental instability.
Thoughts?
any of you see the tv programme stephen fry did about bi-polar? An actor I know a bit about - Jeremy Brett - was also diagnosed late in life a bi-p. Lots of them are afraid of taking drugs that 'smooth' them out, they've lived a long time that way and now you want to change who they are? What if they're no longer funny? etc
Re: What's with all these bi-polar people?
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Howlin Mad Missy
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Originally Posted by
boozeboxer
People that are actors/artists/creative types have a greater number of mental disorders than people that are not by percentage. So that we have many that have mental disorders should be no surprise.
What is make them great at whatever art avenue they pursue also is or contributes to their mental instability.
Thoughts?
any of you see the tv programme stephen fry did about bi-polar? An actor I know a bit about - Jeremy Brett - was also diagnosed late in life a bi-p. Lots of them are afraid of taking drugs that 'smooth' them out, they've lived a long time that way and now you want to change who they are? What if they're no longer funny? etc
A lot of people on anti-depressants and mainly those on anti-psychotics stop taking their medicine due to side effects but also because if you look at the behavioral psychology of taking those pills a person is taking them to PREVENT symptoms rather than to subdue symptoms and well in layman's terms people take the medicine, they feel better, they decide they don't need to take the medicine OR they take the medicine, they feel the side effects, and they stop taking the medicine thinking the symptoms won't reccur.
Re: What's with all these bi-polar people?
I could tell you some great stories from people who have worked with those in institutions but I dont have time right now
It really can be like 'medication time' from One Flew Over :-\
Re: What's with all these bi-polar people?
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0james0
I hate being bi-polar, it's amazing!
He went there.
;D
Re: What's with all these bi-polar people?
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0james0
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Howlin Mad Missy
I could tell you some great stories from people who have worked with those in institutions but I dont have time right now
It really can be like 'medication time' from One Flew Over :-\
I've got a mate who works in a nut house and I've had the pleasure of going in one once to see someone I knew who had lost the plot.
It was like walking into something out of resident evil! Zombies everywhere. Actually scared me a little. Some freaky shit!
I have been in a 'nuthouse' once to visit a relative. Everyone seemed normal. I had a nice roast dinner and apple pie. So did they. Only difference was I could leave and they couldn't. (well, not the ONLY difference, but the only visible one).
Re: What's with all these bi-polar people?
I tend to be a cynic when it comes to people having mental health issues. When Britney Spears went off a couple years ago, my thought was "too much methamphetamine." Charlie Sheen finally did too much dope...Growing up, and over the years since, I've seen people do so many things that made no sense, were over the top violent etc... and it was normal to nod and wink because, you know, that individual was just too high, the drugs got the better of him, and he needed a trip back to prison to get clear. Poor folks rehab.
My parents both lived through every minute of the Great Depression, my dad fought in WW2. Maybe that influence is why I've always looked at 'mental illness' as weakness, as not being able to handle life. When "Saving Private Ryan" came out I remember telling my father that I had heard that some scenes were so graphic that vets watching it were advised to seek counseling. He scoffed at that- I didn't need counseling when I saw it for real, how is some movie supposed to upset me? An ex used to have panic attacks. My reaction was always; Fake, a play for attention.
I guess that isn't a very enlightened attitude, and that some people are chemically or genetically pre-disposed to folding up. I try to be understanding and sympathetic but inside I do still have a smirk and a sneer for those that can't cope.
Re: What's with all these bi-polar people?
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Bilbo
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That the tabloids decided to run with the article 'Zeta Jones Bi Polar'
The Sun went with 'Zeta in mental clinic' ;D
Re: What's with all these bi-polar people?
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Memphis
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Bilbo
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That the tabloids decided to run with the article 'Zeta Jones Bi Polar'
The Sun went with 'Zeta in mental clinic' ;D
haha the sun is truly the worst paper in the world, it's like it's written by adolescent schoolboys for other adolescent schoolboys.
