Re: Funny :Press Conference Haye vs Wladimir Klitschko
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i wanna know where these exciting HW fights that Haye has had were, becuase I saw a snooze fest against Valuev and a joke fight against Fraudley
would you rather watch haye fight or wlad?
would 99% of the population ratgher watch haye fight or wlad?
That's easy for me, I can't stand Haye, so it would have to be Wlad, and the 99% of figure is simply ridiculous.
I gotta admit though eric, your undying love for Haye is touching.
just realistic
and i dont have a love for him, read my posts on this thread,
i am saying the hw division hasnt been great and it has improved sinces hayes arrival and haye as champ would improve its appeal to a wider audience
and it might be hard for you haye haters to swallow but i believe that to be a fact
No doubt that Haye has added a bit of interest to the HW division, but what you Haye lovers don't seem to get is, Haye just isn't as fascinating to many of us as he is to you. BTW, calling me and others who disagree with you, "haters" just seems silly.
you said in your previous post you cant stand him, would you rather i call you a haye cant stander?
and i never said everyone loves him, i said the appeal is much greater than for wlad
i am just being realistic
Re: Funny :Press Conference Haye vs Wladimir Klitschko
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erics44
there are certain things you have to agree with what haye says
the HW division is boring with the klits as champs
It got a whole lot more interesting since haye came around
a lot more people will be watching this klit defence than probably all his others put together
Considering those things i dont see how boxing fans can be so dead against haye, i for one want the sport to become more main stream, and for that it needs a HW division, and during the klits reign it hasnt had one
and another point, people contributing to this thread seem so sure haye will get KOed, i really dont think anyone can be, haye has a very good chance of winning
and lets say he doesnt win, what happens to the HWs then? another 5 years of boredom?
Erics, why did the division get more interesting since Haye has been around? Haye has fought Valuev, Ruiz and Harrison. We can agree that those fights were quite dull. The only conceivable reason the division has got more exciting is the amount of trash Haye talks is mindboggling, and, therefore, he makes it hard not to notice him, which sheds some light on the division.
Re: Funny :Press Conference Haye vs Wladimir Klitschko
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erics44
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i wanna know where these exciting HW fights that Haye has had were, becuase I saw a snooze fest against Valuev and a joke fight against Fraudley
would you rather watch haye fight or wlad?
would 99% of the population ratgher watch haye fight or wlad?
Explain that to me. Why would you rather watch Haye fight? I would venture to say that Haye hasn't had one truly exciting heavyweight fight.
Re: Funny :Press Conference Haye vs Wladimir Klitschko
Don't you think those numbers may be relative to the population size doing most of the buying?
Germany and the Ukraine's combined population eclipses Britain's so of course he is going to have more potential buyers. It doesn't mean to say that proportionally he has more or that it is a measuring stick for who is the more crowd pleasing fighter.
That's all irrelevant though, really... the fact is that globally the two fighters together are a bigger draw than any of the fights that either has been in. We'll know for certain when we get the numbers of the fight and find out how much Wlad has earned and comparing them to his past figures, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if this topped them all.
I'm not sure what all the hand bags are flying for to be honest... both fighters are going to make good bank, probably their best... and it's an interesting match up, haye is an underdog but brings enough to the table to make it exciting and posibly bring an upset and Wlad is technically and tactically sound (and a fucking beast!), if a little boring but has enough vulnerability with his fragile chin and lack of gritty fighter's instinct when hurt that their could be drama.
As long as they make good bank and entertain the crowds who cares? handbags down ladies. Enjoy the show.
Re: Funny :Press Conference Haye vs Wladimir Klitschko
As far as I am concerned this is the Acid Test for Haye in the HW division.
However I wouldn't back a horse which is going to be running its last race and I cant back Haye he did what needed to be done to secure the fight and another payday.
IMO he should of fought another big heavy before stepping up to the Klitschkos, not Harrison but the money was there and the fans(sky) made it easy to happen.
Instead of gaining a bigger fan base in UK, because lets face it nobody else was interested, it actually backfired and a few blokes felt ripped of on the PPV.
I dont get this whole I am going to retire in 2-3 fights, its not like the guys are fighting even 6 times a year, does it really increase their pay packet.
Really eager to see this come off, and wont be disappointed if either fighter wins.
I just hope to god its not another deer in the headlights, like what happened to Ordinary.
I'll be rooting for Wlad which should be interesting after everybody's had a few beers.
Think I'll leave the betting out of it this time round, other than a couple of quid on a KO in the 8-9th round.
(good odds)
Lost too much betting on boxing when a brit gets involved.
Re: Funny :Press Conference Haye vs Wladimir Klitschko
Wlad is a legend has come across really well so far I am liking the guy more and more.
Re: Funny :Press Conference Haye vs Wladimir Klitschko
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So you're telling me that Barrett, Valeuv, Ruiz, and Harrison were the best opponents available? There are reason's he took all those fights, but that's hardly a Pacquiao-esque resume.
They only exciting fight Haye has had at HW was against Ruiz, and we all knew that was a gimme going in. The Valuev fight was literally one of the worst fights I have ever seen, Barrett was a joke, and the Harrison fight was a joke AND one of the worst fights I have ever seen. That is not an impressive resume, though I would agree that Valuev was a decent opponent on paper, the outcome of the other fights (and even the Valuev fight I would argue) was never in doubt. There were always better fights out there (bar Valuev). I applaud him his role in finally making the fight with Wlad, and I don't have the visceral hatred for him that some people on here do, but it's not like Haye has been taking all comers.
To address some of your other points:
Even with Haye as a belt-holder, people outside of the UK still don't give a flying fuck about the HW division. I would argue that him being a star in Britain has about the same effect on the popularity of the division as Wlad being a star in Germany does. It's great for fans within those countries, but it doesn't seem to mean all that much to everyone else. There's huge hype about this fight because the two best fighters, both of whom appear vulnerable, in the division are fighting a unification bout (something which hasn't happened in what feels like decades), but it's not just because of Haye.
And Arreola wouldn't land a punch on David Haye, they're not even in the same class. And given the way he fought Valuev I would expect him to fight relatively defensively if they ever did meet. He knows his chin is suspect and he would be fool to fight in away that played into his opponents only strength.
sorry mate i dont agree with the bits following the "to address some of your other points"
and to be frank i dont think you agree with yourself
just answer me one question honestly
would you rather watch Haye v any of the top 10 opponents or Wlad Klit v one of them? and give me a number 1 to 10 of how much you would rather watch it
It would all depend of the opponent. I'd much rather watch Wlad fight a legitimate (as legitimate as they get these days) contender than watch Haye beat up a walking corpse like Harrison, but if the situations were reversed I'd obviously rather watch Haye.
Opponents aside, Haye is a more exciting fighter than Wlad. He's more athletic and seems more vulnerable, which makes him more interesting in the ring. That being said, I don't think he's been a very exciting fighter at heavyweight. The Ruiz fight was fun, but Barrett was a slaughter, Valuev was - again - one of the worst fights I have ever seen, and Harrision was an embarrassment. Haye was much more exciting as a Cruiser. Would I rather see him than Wlad fight a random top 10 Heavyweight? I would say yes, but that doesn't mean Haye is a super-exciting, division-saving fighter, because he is not.
All this stuff aside, I'm really looking forward to this fight. I literally can't remember another time I was legitimately excited about a HW fight, but that's not solely a result of Haye.
Re: Funny :Press Conference Haye vs Wladimir Klitschko
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erics44
there are certain things you have to agree with what haye says
the HW division is boring with the klits as champs
It got a whole lot more interesting since haye came around
a lot more people will be watching this klit defence than probably all his others put together
Considering those things i dont see how boxing fans can be so dead against haye, i for one want the sport to become more main stream, and for that it needs a HW division, and during the klits reign it hasnt had one
and another point, people contributing to this thread seem so sure haye will get KOed, i really dont think anyone can be, haye has a very good chance of winning
and lets say he doesnt win, what happens to the HWs then? another 5 years of boredom?
Erics, why did the division get more interesting since Haye has been around? Haye has fought Valuev, Ruiz and Harrison. We can agree that those fights were quite dull. The only conceivable reason the division has got more exciting is the amount of trash Haye talks is mindboggling, and, therefore, he makes it hard not to notice him, which sheds some light on the division.
maybe you are right but at last we have a heavyweight fight to talk about
Re: Funny :Press Conference Haye vs Wladimir Klitschko
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i wanna know where these exciting HW fights that Haye has had were, becuase I saw a snooze fest against Valuev and a joke fight against Fraudley
would you rather watch haye fight or wlad?
would 99% of the population ratgher watch haye fight or wlad?
Explain that to me. Why would you rather watch Haye fight? I would venture to say that Haye hasn't had one truly exciting heavyweight fight.
maybe hayes hw fights havent been great, but they have been much more exciting than wlads
Re: Funny :Press Conference Haye vs Wladimir Klitschko
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erics44
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i wanna know where these exciting HW fights that Haye has had were, becuase I saw a snooze fest against Valuev and a joke fight against Fraudley
would you rather watch haye fight or wlad?
would 99% of the population ratgher watch haye fight or wlad?
That's easy for me, I can't stand Haye, so it would have to be Wlad, and the 99% of figure is simply ridiculous.
I gotta admit though eric, your undying love for Haye is touching.
just realistic
and i dont have a love for him, read my posts on this thread, i am saying the hw division hasnt been great and it has improved sinces hayes arrival and haye as champ would improve its appeal to a wider audience
and it might be hard for you haye haters to swallow but i believe that to be a fact
OK let me get this straight....there's a guy that can now pull 20K fans vs a guy that has regularly pulled 50K fans and you're telling me the guy that gets 20K fans is the one "99% of the population would rather watch"? I hate to break it to you pal, but the ticket sales seem to differ from your assessment.
Sad really....enjoy watching your boy get KTFO
look man, i cant take anything seruiously you say about wlad because of your bias
i would hazzard a guess if you break down the numbers you would probably be wrong
and i would also say that if the fight were any other country than germany the split would be overwhelming in hayes favour
Re: Funny :Press Conference Haye vs Wladimir Klitschko
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It would all depend of the opponent. I'd much rather watch Wlad fight a legitimate (as legitimate as they get these days) contender than watch Haye beat up a walking corpse like Harrison, but if the situations were reversed I'd obviously rather watch Haye.
Opponents aside, Haye is a more exciting fighter than Wlad. He's more athletic and seems more vulnerable, which makes him more interesting in the ring. That being said, I don't think he's been a very exciting fighter at heavyweight. The Ruiz fight was fun, but Barrett was a slaughter, Valuev was - again - one of the worst fights I have ever seen, and Harrision was an embarrassment. Haye was much more exciting as a Cruiser. Would I rather see him than Wlad fight a random top 10 Heavyweight? I would say yes, but that doesn't mean Haye is a super-exciting, division-saving fighter, because he is not.
All this stuff aside, I'm really looking forward to this fight. I literally can't remember another time I was legitimately excited about a HW fight, but that's not solely a result of Haye.
you are right, he isnt the super fighter heavyweight division saver
its certainly going in the right direction since he came along tho :)
Re: Funny :Press Conference Haye vs Wladimir Klitschko
I am starting to like Wlad more and more - watched his BBC interview on iplayer last night where he gave the woman anchor a kiss.
Hard not to like him really.
What do people think the result would have been if Wlad had fought Audley Harrison by the way ? I don't believe he woul dhave taken him out in three rounds
Re: Funny :Press Conference Haye vs Wladimir Klitschko
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Mars_ax
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erics44
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Mars_ax
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erics44
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BIG H
i wanna know where these exciting HW fights that Haye has had were, becuase I saw a snooze fest against Valuev and a joke fight against Fraudley
would you rather watch haye fight or wlad?
would 99% of the population ratgher watch haye fight or wlad?
That's easy for me, I can't stand Haye, so it would have to be Wlad, and the 99% of figure is simply ridiculous.
I gotta admit though eric, your undying love for Haye is touching.
just realistic
and i dont have a love for him, read my posts on this thread,
i am saying the hw division hasnt been great and it has improved sinces hayes arrival and haye as champ would improve its appeal to a wider audience
and it might be hard for you haye haters to swallow but i believe that to be a fact
No doubt that Haye has added a bit of interest to the HW division, but what you Haye lovers don't seem to get is, Haye just isn't as fascinating to many of us as he is to you. BTW, calling me and others who disagree with you, "haters" just seems silly.
you said in your previous post you cant stand him, would you rather i call you a haye cant stander?
and i never said everyone loves him, i said the appeal is much greater than for wlad
i am just being realistic
Call me someone who believes that Haye has built his career on hyping/promoting himself. He's managed to win a crusierweight title and pick up a HW strap, but lets be realistic here, his 26 pro fights and rather ordinary accomplishments in the ring hardly justify the status he's being given by some of his fans.
As for Haye's "appeal" being greater than Wlad's, perhaps Haye wins some kind of popularity contest in the UK, but I just don't see this clown ever having or developing a worldwide fanbase.
Like him or not, most boxing fans know who Wlad Klitschko is = the recognized HW champion of the world, flakes/pretenders like Haye, just come and go.
