Who Fought the Better Fighters? Mayweather or Pacquiao?

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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita

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Originally Posted by miron_lang

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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita

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Originally Posted by ICB

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lol ummm because tapia was even more past it than Barrera and 126 wasn't his natural weight.. Same with Kelley.. He had much more mileage on him when barrera beat him...

R u kidding me. haha c'mon Miron.. I know you aint no boxrec warrior.. ;D

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What are great Floyd wins that compare? I believe I started a thread about Floyd's best win a while back and the consensus was Diego Corrales.

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How long ago did you start that thread for people to mention Chico as Floyd's best?? It's true that Chico was a great victory considering the fact that nobody else wanted to fight him at the time but Id also add Castillo and Delahoya to the list of big wins. Delahoya victory goes really underrated imo. Floyd gave into all his demands and beat him at 154 and on top of that, delahoya still had something left unlike when Pac got to him.. He also beat an undefeated Hatton and softened him up for Pac.. same thing with mosley...

U know how Pac loves to eat Floyd's leftovers.

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You would say ODLH was Floyd's greatest win? It's arguable, but that may be the case. He beat ODLH when ODLH was passed his prime too, but it was definitely a better ODLH than that fought Pacquiao although don't forget the odds heavily favored ODLH in that fight. Heavily. It's only 20/20 hindsight that we can judge it and say Pacquiao beat a dried up, weak ODLH.

Floyd fought Hatton at 147 though. That takes away from it as a big victory to me. Even before the Floyd fight, it was obvious Hatton wasn't the same at 140 that he was at 147 because Hatton had looked unimpressive against Collazo and Mausa (maybe) at 147.

Shane didn't look any better against Floyd than he did against Pacquiao. Not at all. It was the same Shane just picking up a pay check and conning the world into believing he had a shot against either.

I think on skill alone Floyd has it, but on legacy, Pacquiao has the edge.

Although not the subject of the thread:

Who should Pacquiao have fought that he didn't?

Who should Floyd have fought that he didn't?

I actually thought Pacquiao's win over Margarito at 150 was impressive. I know he may be passed his prime, but I actually thought he looked good against Pacquiao.Pacquiao crushed him of course, but Margarito executed whatever plan he had. If the same Margarito that showed up against Pacquiao, shows up against Cotto, Cotto's in trouble.

Just about equal!

Pacquiao's one punch KO of Hatton is spectacular but not more, or at least "only" just as good a KO as Floyd Jr's picture-perfect, two-punch combination demolition job of Ortiz!

Rightfully, just about equal! :)

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Originally Posted by miron_lang

ok

to be fair

both Barrera (Who was at #2 or #3 p4p at the time and would win another title north after ) and

Pacquiao ( Who will lose to Morales in his 1st fight at 130 )

aren't prime on November of 2003 :D *one of them was primed



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Barrera had a different style at 122 but LOL at Barrera being not primed againts Naz :D

-Peace

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Of course to the average novice Barrera was in his prime.

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Originally Posted by Mr140

Well C lo are you saying that Pac peaked at 30 or 31 then because for a lower weight fighter kinda weird thing to happen. I mean he was 26 and been fighting for 10 years when Morles beat him but back to the question of there top wins i guess. Would have to be Morles, Barrea, and Marquez for Pac and For Mayweather Castllio, Correles and Dela Hoya i don't see their top wins being to far off really. I guess the thing that can also be said is that Mayweather never lost so kinda what tips off the scale as well.

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I honestly think Pacquiao's peak was between his fights from David Diaz until he fought Cotto. He's been on the slide since he fought Clottey and on.

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Originally Posted by Pugilistic

Pacquiao imo.

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This should've been how I originally replied to this thread. GENIUS!

I do not think he is much better then the version that Jmm fought to be honest with you C lo and as for him slowing think the Mosely fight pretty clear. I am not sure how much better his prime was then Morles because most of his opponents were not in prime or coming off huge loses so i am not sure. As for resume its close but Mayweather not losing is kinda what edges it for me because he has not lost yet. If they do fight some time in 2012 or 2013 both been fighting for a while and i think there peak is over with really.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by miron_lang

ok

to be fair

both Barrera (Who was at #2 or #3 p4p at the time and would win another title north after ) and

Pacquiao ( Who will lose to Morales in his 1st fight at 130 )

aren't prime on November of 2003 :D *one of them was primed



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Barrera had a different style at 122 but LOL at Barrera being not primed againts Naz :D

-Peace

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Of course to the average novice Barrera was in his prime.

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so he was prime againts Junior Jones? ;D

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Originally Posted by miron_lang

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by miron_lang

ok

to be fair

both Barrera (Who was at #2 or #3 p4p at the time and would win another title north after ) and

Pacquiao ( Who will lose to Morales in his 1st fight at 130 )

aren't prime on November of 2003 :D *one of them was primed



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Barrera had a different style at 122 but LOL at Barrera being not primed againts Naz :D

-Peace

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Of course to the average novice Barrera was in his prime.

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so he was prime againts Junior Jones? ;D

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Who you think showed him he was no longer in his prime? Junior Jones. Like I said, Barrera's last prime fight was the McKinney fight

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Who you think showed him he was no longer in his prime? Junior Jones. Like I said, Barrera's last prime fight was the McKinney fight

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I see. so he was past prime after Kennedy McKinney.


That's an interesting opinion.


I like to also know.

Was Morales Primed when he 'officially' lost to Barrera @126 ?? ( 1st loss )


so you have Barrera above Morales because a past primed Barrera took Morales's Zero ?

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Originally Posted by miron_lang

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Who you think showed him he was no longer in his prime? Junior Jones. Like I said, Barrera's last prime fight was the McKinney fight

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I see. so he was past prime after Kennedy McKinney.


That's an interesting opinion.


I like to also know.

Was Morales Primed when he 'officially' lost to Barrera @126 ?? ( 1st loss )


so you have Barrera above Morales because a past primed Barrera took Morales's Zero ?

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No. I don't go by others opinion. I form my own. I had Morales winning the first and second fight against Barrera. So I do not rate Barrera over Morales. But to answer your question Morales was still in his prime when he "officially" lost his 0. Morales last prime fight was the Jesus Chavez fight.

I think its either Mayweather or Pacquiao.;)

The resumes of both fighters are very impressive, who fought the the better fighters when in their own prime is also debateable due to opponents form and prime.
If I had to nail it to the wall then I would plum for Manny by a short head. His recent activity and opponents has eclipsed Floyd and thats what wins my vote for him.

Who has faced more future HOF's?

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Who has faced more future HOF's?

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Pac has 5 sure shots HOF in Morales, Barrera, Marquez, De La Hoya and Mosley. And 2 long shots in Cotto and Hatton.

Mayweather has 3 sure shots in De La Hoya, Mosley and Marquez. 2 very good shots in Castillo and Hernandez. And 3 long shots in Gatti, Corrales and Hatton.

VD your one of my favourite posters but i disagree bro, MAB became a better fighter after the loss to Junior Jones. Especially regarding defensive work, MAB was getting hit at will easily by Junior Jones in there 1st meeting.

Im not saying he was at his absolute peak vs Manny Pacquiao, but he was hardly shot. He was ranked highly in P4P rankings and had impressive performances before and after the loss to Manny Pacquiao.

As for the Erik Morales fights i think a majority felt MAB won 1st meeting, and lost the 2nd meeting. But i do think they got the official record right, its just they both got credit for winning the wrong fight IMO.

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Who has faced more future HOF's?

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Another take on this is how many times have they faced future HOF's?