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07-29-2012, 10:34 PM
Andre

Re: Post your list in this thread prior to arguing with someone else's

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Originally Posted by frankenfrank

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You better remove Ike Ibeabuchi from your list bro;
Its on record he fought 18 club fighters and only two decent fighters (so by your own reckoning on your reasons for emitting Ricardo Lopez and others in your last post) he doesnt belong there in your list.
Just saying you cant have one rule for so many and blatantly let one off just cause hes a hard man and fought well twice, can you?

Ibeabuchi fought well vs great fighters twice , Lopez fought 0 times vs great fighters , so if u all can include Lopez , then i surely can include Ibeabuchi .

Chalk and cheese Lopez fought all the greats at his weight and beat them.
Just because over 80% of the so called boxing fans that prefer the heavier weights dont know them because they dont watch the lesser weights doesnt mean that they didnt exist.

Why wernt they great? Because they didnt fight Tua or de;la hoya :confused: I admit they were unheard of but they are all in the two lowest weights, the most unpopular of divisions thats gets overlooked by not so real fight fans and even the boxing media gives them much less exposure because of false fans preferences.

I think one reason is because the lesser weights are much faster and general people who only watch light to heavyweights miss half the action while still out in the bar as the venue fills up, or if they do watch, they miss half the shots as they slowly blink.
07-30-2012, 01:19 AM
ElTerribleMorales

Re: Post your list in this thread prior to arguing with someone else's

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Originally Posted by Andre

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Originally Posted by frankenfrank

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Originally Posted by Andre

You better remove Ike Ibeabuchi from your list bro;
Its on record he fought 18 club fighters and only two decent fighters (so by your own reckoning on your reasons for emitting Ricardo Lopez and others in your last post) he doesnt belong there in your list.
Just saying you cant have one rule for so many and blatantly let one off just cause hes a hard man and fought well twice, can you?

Ibeabuchi fought well vs great fighters twice , Lopez fought 0 times vs great fighters , so if u all can include Lopez , then i surely can include Ibeabuchi .

Chalk and cheese Lopez fought all the greats at his weight and beat them.
Just because over 80% of the so called boxing fans that prefer the heavier weights dont know them because they dont watch the lesser weights doesnt mean that they didnt exist.

Why wernt they great? Because they didnt fight Tua or de;la hoya :confused: I admit they were unheard of but they are all in the two lowest weights, the most unpopular of divisions thats gets overlooked by not so real fight fans and even the boxing media gives them much less exposure because of false fans preferences.

I think one reason is because the lesser weights are much faster and general people who only watch light to heavyweights miss half the action while still out in the bar as the venue fills up, or if they do watch, they miss half the shots as they slowly blink.

it's because they generally have less power so usually have to depend more on technical ability and actually outboxing their opponents, so in reality the little guys usually are purer boxers than the higher weights, Lopez is obviously the greatest example the man was a genius, Calderon being another great example of technical and defensive brilliance, but guys who know nothing of the SPORT can't appreciate the heart of what boxing really is, dude needs to go watch WWE or MMA cause he knows nothing about boxing only manipulated "stats"
07-30-2012, 01:07 PM
frankenfrank

Re: Post your list in this thread prior to arguing with someone else's

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Originally Posted by Andre

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Originally Posted by frankenfrank

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Originally Posted by Andre

You better remove Ike Ibeabuchi from your list bro;
Its on record he fought 18 club fighters and only two decent fighters (so by your own reckoning on your reasons for emitting Ricardo Lopez and others in your last post) he doesnt belong there in your list.
Just saying you cant have one rule for so many and blatantly let one off just cause hes a hard man and fought well twice, can you?

Ibeabuchi fought well vs great fighters twice , Lopez fought 0 times vs great fighters , so if u all can include Lopez , then i surely can include Ibeabuchi .

Chalk and cheese Lopez fought all the greats at his weight and beat them.
Just because over 80% of the so called boxing fans that prefer the heavier weights dont know them because they dont watch the lesser weights doesnt mean that they didnt exist.

Why wernt they great? Because they didnt fight Tua or de;la hoya :confused: I admit they were unheard of but they are all in the two lowest weights, the most unpopular of divisions thats gets overlooked by not so real fight fans and even the boxing media gives them much less exposure because of false fans preferences.

I think one reason is because the lesser weights are much faster and general people who only watch light to heavyweights miss half the action while still out in the bar as the venue fills up, or if they do watch, they miss half the shots as they slowly blink.

like who ?
07-30-2012, 02:13 PM
ElTerribleMorales

Re: Post your list in this thread prior to arguing with someone else's

again tell me what's so impressive about a man who's biggest wins come against a man who weighed 36 lbs less then you, had virtually no punching power and a win over a guy who never even picked up a world title and biggest wins were against Rahman (again Tua got a gift draw in the rematch), Ruiz, Maskaev, an old shot Moorer, and Oquendo?

you have the audacity to question the competition levels of the likes of Ali, Leonard, Hagler, etc. and yet you build up fucking Ibeabuchi as one of the best HW's? lol dude c'mon now
08-01-2012, 09:28 AM
X

Re: Post your list in this thread prior to arguing with someone else's

Lamar Clark is the greatest heavyweight fighter of all time.

There can be no argument.

:cool:
08-01-2012, 10:53 AM
Andre

Re: Post your list in this thread prior to arguing with someone else's

Oh its too girlish to go look at the records and pick the best three or four he has faced ;just to make out like I've got a memory or something, anyone can do that.

He was unbeatable.The Mexicans are best at the lighter weights and there are hundreds of them to get through and of the cream that rises to the top there, are tough fighters theres no two ways about it.
Then theres the ones who made their way to the top in others countries and they threw them at him too, he was still unstoppable.
We are talking about scratch weight here, theres no coming up it is the starting ground you wont here of them before the weight, they make their names right there.
08-01-2012, 11:16 AM
rjj tszyu

Re: Post your list in this thread prior to arguing with someone else's

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Originally Posted by frankenfrank

Those who argue about other people's validity of lists and don't post their own do not worth a reply . Honestly , in these boards , most replies don't worth a reply anyway .

Here R some more of my rankings :
h2h ranking of d (super)heavyweight division :
1. Nicolay Valuev
2. Oliver McCall
3. George Foreman
4. Vitali Klitschko
5. David Tua
6. Tony Tucker
7. Evander Holyfield
8. Lennox Lewis
9. Ike Ibeabuchi
10. Larry Holmes

11. Mike Tyson
12. Riddick Bowe
13. Lamon Brewster
14. Ross Puritty
15. James Douglas
16. James Smith
17. Wladimir Klitschko
18. Joe Frazier
19. Joe Louis
20. Henry Akinwande

21. Jameel McCline
22. Chris Byrd
23. Ron Lyle
24. Earnie Shavers
25. Jimmy Young
26. David Haye
27. Sultan Ibragimov
28. Dominick Guinn
29. Joe Mesi
30. Michael Grant

31. George Chuvalo
32. Bob Cleroux
33. Tony Tubbs
34. Kirk Johnson
35. Larry Donald
36. James Tillis
37. Jesse Fergusson
38. Bert Cooper
39. Ray Mercer
40. Orlin Norris

41. Pinklon Thomas
42. Michael Dokes
43. Carl Williams

I will not reply 2 any1 whom didn't post his alternative list .

My top 10 list of HW's is this.

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. George Foreman
4. Joe Frazier
5. Evander Holyfield
6. Lennox Lewis
7. Gene Tunney
8. Larry Holmes
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Rocky Marciano

But now back to your list. You have Valuev as number 1? Is it reverse order of people to hold a HW title? In fact no it can't be as there are the odd decent name scattered here and there. But Oliver McCall number 2? For what? To be a great boxer you must have great mental strength and McCall is the last possible person that springs to mind when that comes into play.
08-01-2012, 08:11 PM
TitoFan

Re: Post your list in this thread prior to arguing with someone else's

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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

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Originally Posted by frankenfrank

Those who argue about other people's validity of lists and don't post their own do not worth a reply . Honestly , in these boards , most replies don't worth a reply anyway .

Here R some more of my rankings :
h2h ranking of d (super)heavyweight division :
1. Nicolay Valuev
2. Oliver McCall
3. George Foreman
4. Vitali Klitschko
5. David Tua
6. Tony Tucker
7. Evander Holyfield
8. Lennox Lewis
9. Ike Ibeabuchi
10. Larry Holmes

11. Mike Tyson
12. Riddick Bowe
13. Lamon Brewster
14. Ross Puritty
15. James Douglas
16. James Smith
17. Wladimir Klitschko
18. Joe Frazier
19. Joe Louis
20. Henry Akinwande

21. Jameel McCline
22. Chris Byrd
23. Ron Lyle
24. Earnie Shavers
25. Jimmy Young
26. David Haye
27. Sultan Ibragimov
28. Dominick Guinn
29. Joe Mesi
30. Michael Grant

31. George Chuvalo
32. Bob Cleroux
33. Tony Tubbs
34. Kirk Johnson
35. Larry Donald
36. James Tillis
37. Jesse Fergusson
38. Bert Cooper
39. Ray Mercer
40. Orlin Norris

41. Pinklon Thomas
42. Michael Dokes
43. Carl Williams

I will not reply 2 any1 whom didn't post his alternative list .

My top 10 list of HW's is this.

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. George Foreman
4. Joe Frazier
5. Evander Holyfield
6. Lennox Lewis
7. Gene Tunney
8. Larry Holmes
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Rocky Marciano

But now back to your list. You have Valuev as number 1? Is it reverse order of people to hold a HW title? In fact no it can't be as there are the odd decent name scattered here and there. But Oliver McCall number 2? For what? To be a great boxer you must have great mental strength and McCall is the last possible person that springs to mind when that comes into play.

Only possible explanations:

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...qmD9KU0IGbnG3c

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...Slm_UsXk56s_iQ
08-02-2012, 02:44 AM
Andre

Re: Post your list in this thread prior to arguing with someone else's

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

Quote:

Originally Posted by frankenfrank

Those who argue about other people's validity of lists and don't post their own do not worth a reply . Honestly , in these boards , most replies don't worth a reply anyway .

Here R some more of my rankings :
h2h ranking of d (super)heavyweight division :
1. Nicolay Valuev
2. Oliver McCall
3. George Foreman
4. Vitali Klitschko
5. David Tua
6. Tony Tucker
7. Evander Holyfield
8. Lennox Lewis
9. Ike Ibeabuchi
10. Larry Holmes

11. Mike Tyson
12. Riddick Bowe
13. Lamon Brewster
14. Ross Puritty
15. James Douglas
16. James Smith
17. Wladimir Klitschko
18. Joe Frazier
19. Joe Louis
20. Henry Akinwande

21. Jameel McCline
22. Chris Byrd
23. Ron Lyle
24. Earnie Shavers
25. Jimmy Young
26. David Haye
27. Sultan Ibragimov
28. Dominick Guinn
29. Joe Mesi
30. Michael Grant

31. George Chuvalo
32. Bob Cleroux
33. Tony Tubbs
34. Kirk Johnson
35. Larry Donald
36. James Tillis
37. Jesse Fergusson
38. Bert Cooper
39. Ray Mercer
40. Orlin Norris

41. Pinklon Thomas
42. Michael Dokes
43. Carl Williams

I will not reply 2 any1 whom didn't post his alternative list .

My top 10 list of HW's is this.

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. George Foreman
4. Joe Frazier
5. Evander Holyfield
6. Lennox Lewis
7. Gene Tunney
8. Larry Holmes
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Rocky Marciano

But now back to your list. You have Valuev as number 1? Is it reverse order of people to hold a HW title? In fact no it can't be as there are the odd decent name scattered here and there. But Oliver McCall number 2? For what? To be a great boxer you must have great mental strength and McCall is the last possible person that springs to mind when that comes into play.

Only possible explanations:

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...qmD9KU0IGbnG3c

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...Slm_UsXk56s_iQ

Theres some deserving people on the list even Valuev , having Valuev no 1 makes David Haye look fantastic.
08-02-2012, 05:09 AM
Nameless

Re: Post your list in this thread prior to arguing with someone else's

Just a troll or a regular with a second identity having fun. Come on, carry on, there is nothing to seeeeeee hheeerrrrreeeeee.
08-02-2012, 11:17 AM
frankenfrank

Re: Post your list in this thread prior to arguing with someone else's

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Yeah... SRL fought LOTS of bums. His entire career he fought 2 guys with losing records. He defeated Wilfredo Benitez, Roberto Duran, Thomas Hearns, and Marvin Hagler. He fought Duran and Hearns on more than one occasion. Unlike JCC, who was 12-0 when he first fought someone with a winning record, and first fought someone other than a corpse, outside Mexico, in his 44th pro fight.

You definitely know your stuff.

u definitely have not read my thread "dedicated 2d fab 4"
he did not fight lots of bums , just made sure his opponents were severely hampered prior 2 signing each contract .
Sometimes they were not hampered enough 4 him , so he lost or at least deserved 2 .
08-02-2012, 11:29 AM
frankenfrank

Re: Post your list in this thread prior to arguing with someone else's

Quote:

Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

Quote:

Originally Posted by frankenfrank

Those who argue about other people's validity of lists and don't post their own do not worth a reply . Honestly , in these boards , most replies don't worth a reply anyway .

Here R some more of my rankings :
h2h ranking of d (super)heavyweight division :
1. Nicolay Valuev
2. Oliver McCall
3. George Foreman
4. Vitali Klitschko
5. David Tua
6. Tony Tucker
7. Evander Holyfield
8. Lennox Lewis
9. Ike Ibeabuchi
10. Larry Holmes

11. Mike Tyson
12. Riddick Bowe
13. Lamon Brewster
14. Ross Puritty
15. James Douglas
16. James Smith
17. Wladimir Klitschko
18. Joe Frazier
19. Joe Louis
20. Henry Akinwande

21. Jameel McCline
22. Chris Byrd
23. Ron Lyle
24. Earnie Shavers
25. Jimmy Young
26. David Haye
27. Sultan Ibragimov
28. Dominick Guinn
29. Joe Mesi
30. Michael Grant

31. George Chuvalo
32. Bob Cleroux
33. Tony Tubbs
34. Kirk Johnson
35. Larry Donald
36. James Tillis
37. Jesse Fergusson
38. Bert Cooper
39. Ray Mercer
40. Orlin Norris

41. Pinklon Thomas
42. Michael Dokes
43. Carl Williams

I will not reply 2 any1 whom didn't post his alternative list .

My top 10 list of HW's is this.

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. George Foreman
4. Joe Frazier
5. Evander Holyfield
6. Lennox Lewis
7. Gene Tunney
8. Larry Holmes
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Rocky Marciano

But now back to your list. You have Valuev as number 1? Is it reverse order of people to hold a HW title? In fact no it can't be as there are the odd decent name scattered here and there. But Oliver McCall number 2? For what? To be a great boxer you must have great mental strength and McCall is the last possible person that springs to mind when that comes into play.

McCall TKOd a prime Lennox Lewis in 2 and KOd Henry Akinwande in 10 .
He also did better than prime Tyson vs a prime Douglas by competitively lasting d distance with him .
Then he also did better than prime Douglas vs Tony Tucker by lasting d distance with him and i doubt if he deserved 2 lose 2 Norris & Tucker .
McCall also KOd Maskaev in 1 and stopped d overrated Bruce Seldon (i don't count Seldon because i don't think much of him , but i know that some of u do) . Also stopped d sometimes overr8ed Francesco Damiani .

Another thing is that Tyson achieved almost if not every 1 of his big wins by cheating . elbows that is .
2 remove d padding from d gloves is a crime , but 2 intentionally and repeatedly accurately hit ppl with elbows is fine . As long as 1's d superstar that is .

McCall was avoided by Riddick Bowe and i'm certain he would have given him his toughest fight even in McCall's worst day .

McCall had withdrawal syndrome in Lewis #2 , and if that was not 2b d case , Lewis would have never signed d contract 4 a rematch .

Valuev and McCall r interchangable . In a way BBG and Vitali R also interchangable .
D top 4 i consider on a level in itself , then Tua , then d level below Tua .
My ranking is h2h based , not sex appeal based like other ppl's .
Nor it is a mix of other ppl's lists like other ppl do .
D least i can have Valuev is #4 .
But i can not bare having him outside of d top 10 , because not only that he was never stopped 4 any reason , he was not even floored 1ce in his entire career .
08-02-2012, 11:38 AM
rjj tszyu

Re: Post your list in this thread prior to arguing with someone else's

Quote:

Originally Posted by frankenfrank

Quote:

Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

Quote:

Originally Posted by frankenfrank

Those who argue about other people's validity of lists and don't post their own do not worth a reply . Honestly , in these boards , most replies don't worth a reply anyway .

Here R some more of my rankings :
h2h ranking of d (super)heavyweight division :
1. Nicolay Valuev
2. Oliver McCall
3. George Foreman
4. Vitali Klitschko
5. David Tua
6. Tony Tucker
7. Evander Holyfield
8. Lennox Lewis
9. Ike Ibeabuchi
10. Larry Holmes

11. Mike Tyson
12. Riddick Bowe
13. Lamon Brewster
14. Ross Puritty
15. James Douglas
16. James Smith
17. Wladimir Klitschko
18. Joe Frazier
19. Joe Louis
20. Henry Akinwande

21. Jameel McCline
22. Chris Byrd
23. Ron Lyle
24. Earnie Shavers
25. Jimmy Young
26. David Haye
27. Sultan Ibragimov
28. Dominick Guinn
29. Joe Mesi
30. Michael Grant

31. George Chuvalo
32. Bob Cleroux
33. Tony Tubbs
34. Kirk Johnson
35. Larry Donald
36. James Tillis
37. Jesse Fergusson
38. Bert Cooper
39. Ray Mercer
40. Orlin Norris

41. Pinklon Thomas
42. Michael Dokes
43. Carl Williams

I will not reply 2 any1 whom didn't post his alternative list .

My top 10 list of HW's is this.

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. George Foreman
4. Joe Frazier
5. Evander Holyfield
6. Lennox Lewis
7. Gene Tunney
8. Larry Holmes
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Rocky Marciano

But now back to your list. You have Valuev as number 1? Is it reverse order of people to hold a HW title? In fact no it can't be as there are the odd decent name scattered here and there. But Oliver McCall number 2? For what? To be a great boxer you must have great mental strength and McCall is the last possible person that springs to mind when that comes into play.

McCall TKOd a prime Lennox Lewis in 2 and KOd Henry Akinwande in 10 .
He also did better than prime Tyson vs a prime Douglas by competitively lasting d distance with him .
Then he also did better than prime Douglas vs Tony Tucker by lasting d distance with him and i doubt if he deserved 2 lose 2 Norris & Tucker .
McCall also KOd Maskaev in 1 and stopped d overrated Bruce Seldon (i don't count Seldon because i don't think much of him , but i know that some of u do) . Also stopped d sometimes overr8ed Francesco Damiani .

Another thing is that Tyson achieved almost if not every 1 of his big wins by cheating . elbows that is .
2 remove d padding from d gloves is a crime , but 2 intentionally and repeatedly accurately hit ppl with elbows is fine . As long as 1's d superstar that is .

McCall was avoided by Riddick Bowe and i'm certain he would have given him his toughest fight even in McCall's worst day .

McCall had withdrawal syndrome in Lewis #2 , and if that was not 2b d case , Lewis would have never signed d contract 4 a rematch .

Valuev and McCall r interchangable . In a way BBG and Vitali R also interchangable .
D top 4 i consider on a level in itself , then Tua , then d level below Tua .
My ranking is h2h based , not sex appeal based like other ppl's .
Nor it is a mix of other ppl's lists like other ppl do .
D least i can have Valuev is #4 .
But i can not bare having him outside of d top 10 , because not only that he was never stopped 4 any reason , he was not even floored 1ce in his entire career .

Who is this? Hornfinger? Lefty?
08-02-2012, 03:37 PM
TitoFan

Re: Post your list in this thread prior to arguing with someone else's

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Originally Posted by frankenfrank

Quote:

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Yeah... SRL fought LOTS of bums. His entire career he fought 2 guys with losing records. He defeated Wilfredo Benitez, Roberto Duran, Thomas Hearns, and Marvin Hagler. He fought Duran and Hearns on more than one occasion. Unlike JCC, who was 12-0 when he first fought someone with a winning record, and first fought someone other than a corpse, outside Mexico, in his 44th pro fight.

You definitely know your stuff.

u definitely have not read my thread "dedicated 2d fab 4"
he did not fight lots of bums , just made sure his opponents were severely hampered prior 2 signing each contract .
Sometimes they were not hampered enough 4 him , so he lost or at least deserved 2 .

That is the biggest crock of shit I've read in my entire life.
If there was an Olympic event for talking shit, you'd win GOLD, SILVER, and BRONZE.

BTW..... I hope you know we're all just going along with this charade for our own amusement.
We know you're really doing this for the attention, and a little "shock value."

;)

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