Prime jones....

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There is no such thing as a false fact. The fact of the matter is that when Joe was just starting to get his feet wet at 168 Jones was beating the body snatcher, Griffin, Hill, Del Valle etc etc and partly unifying 175. So I suppose Joe should/could have went up and challenged him.

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But i thought RJ was the great P4P fighter? What's 7lbs? After all Toney shed a shit load to fight Jones! Why couldn't roy? U do know that roy was fighting at 168 a year before he was fighting Griffin don't u! Not really a stretch to fight back @ 168 really was it! Calzaghe may have even gone upto 175.

Convenient to say it wasn't 'do-able'. Please....

This is now a beating a dead horse issue. The statistical facts of the calendar and time line sustains what I have said and explained in the previous essay I posted. Now somebody can claim gravity does not exist either. Makes little difference to reality. So you continue down the road that Jones ducked Calzaghe if you like. No offense but it’s sincerely delusion. The facts are in and speak for themselves. The fight was not possible or even considered at the time and it’s as simple as that. Its not a knock against Joe but the notion that Jones ducked him for lack of a better term is ridiculous.

Jones didn't duck Calzaghe. He was signing the highest paying contract in hbos history coming off of beating Toney. He did what he wanted, when he wanted and with who he wanted. Hbo was approving guys who were known fighters and had shared the airwaves. Some were near terrible at 168 but he was well payed and fawned over. At the time a simple reply of "who the fuck is this guy" concerning Calzaghe would have been heard. Benn had a better case frankly. I won't say he ducked him, but Roy did make a habit of maximizing his earnings with minimal risk.

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

Jones didn't duck Calzaghe. He was signing the highest paying contract in hbos history coming off of beating Toney. He did what he wanted, when he wanted and with who he wanted. Hbo was approving guys who were known fighters and had shared the airwaves. Some were near terrible at 168 but he was well payed and fawned over. At the time a simple reply of "who the fuck is this guy" concerning Calzaghe would have been heard. Benn had a better case frankly. I won't say he ducked him, but Roy did make a habit of maximizing his earnings with minimal risk.

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That doesn't fly Spicoli, we must concede that Calzaghe could have beaten Thor, Ironman, and The Hulk in some kind of handicap match to the death while Calzaghe had a blindfold on, was smoking a cigarette, and juggling chainsaws.....it's only logical

nobody beats a prımeRJJ......ıncludıng 50% of heavyweıghts

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nobody beats a prımeRJJ......ıncludıng 50% of heavyweıghts

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I toyed with the idea of Patterson vs Jones. Floyd, I believe would harder but Jones would have been faster but would he be faster for 15 rounds straight?

Why did calzaghe stay at 168?
Why did jones move up?
Different goals. Jones proved more and took the risk and paid for it.
Frank and joe wanted the english marciano, they wanted the 0.
They got it

From a business perspective frank warren made all the right moves.
If khan was with him he would be undefeated also..chin or no chin.

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That doesn't fly Spicoli, we must concede that Jones could have beaten Thor, Ironman, and The Hulk in some kind of handicap match to the death while Jons had a blindfold on, was smoking a cigarette, and juggling chainsaws.....it's only logical

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Edited. That's more befitting of your thought processes...Not mine.

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Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER

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That doesn't fly Spicoli, we must concede that Jones could have beaten Thor, Ironman, and The Hulk in some kind of handicap match to the death while Jons had a blindfold on, was smoking a cigarette, and juggling chainsaws.....it's only logical

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Edited. That's more befitting of your thought processes...Not mine.

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Calzaghe got floored by an ancient shot dried out old husk of what RJJ used to be and you're going to tell me "Well Calzaghe would have beaten him" no, no he wouldn't have. They could have fought in Vegas, NYC, London, Wales, Germany, Antartica, the Moon, or underwater and the simple fact is Roy Jones Jr in his prime would beat Joe Calzaghe...too quick, too strong, too powerful.

Was Calzaghe a great fighter? Yes, sure of course he was......but he was never as good as Roy Jones Jr.

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Originally Posted by imp

From a business perspective frank warren made all the right moves.
If khan was with him he would be undefeated also..chin or no chin.

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He was with Frank when he lost to Prescott? :rolleyes:

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That doesn't fly Spicoli, we must concede that Jones could have beaten Thor, Ironman, and The Hulk in some kind of handicap match to the death while Jons had a blindfold on, was smoking a cigarette, and juggling chainsaws.....it's only logical

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Edited. That's more befitting of your thought processes...Not mine.

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Calzaghe got floored by an ancient shot dried out old husk of what RJJ used to be and you're going to tell me "Well Calzaghe would have beaten him" no, no he wouldn't have. They could have fought in Vegas, NYC, London, Wales, Germany, Antartica, the Moon, or underwater and the simple fact is Roy Jones Jr in his prime would beat Joe Calzaghe...too quick, too strong, too powerful.

Was Calzaghe a great fighter? Yes, sure of course he was......but he was never as good as Roy Jones Jr.

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You say he got knocked down like it's a big deal? He got back up straight away and wasn't at all hurt. Roy caught him with his forearm.

The bottom line is Roy never fought anyone like Calzaghe. No one with the work ethic, hand speed and boxing brains that Joe had. So you can hardly shoot down Joe's chances because Roy beat a bunch of fighters who weren't Joe Calzaghe.

No fact just speculation.

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Originally Posted by imp

From a business perspective frank warren made all the right moves.
If khan was with him he would be undefeated also..chin or no chin.

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He was with Frank when he lost to Prescott? :rolleyes:

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Khan wasnt welsh.

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Originally Posted by mattboxingfan

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Originally Posted by imp

From a business perspective frank warren made all the right moves.
If khan was with him he would be undefeated also..chin or no chin.

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He was with Frank when he lost to Prescott? :rolleyes:

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Khan wasnt welsh.

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You didn't say being Welsh was a requirement. Try and be more specific next time..

Jones beat Hopkins and Toney who are both better fighters than anyone mentioned in the OP.