I'm not tarnishing anyone, but the fact is if you were a world class athlete from 1980s onward, you are a suspect for PED use. Lance Armstrong blew the doors off it, EVERYONE is a suspect to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
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I'm not tarnishing anyone, but the fact is if you were a world class athlete from 1980s onward, you are a suspect for PED use. Lance Armstrong blew the doors off it, EVERYONE is a suspect to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
That is just silly logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerI'm not tarnishing anyone, but the fact is if you were a world class athlete from 1980s onward, you are a suspect for PED use. Lance Armstrong blew the doors off it, EVERYONE is a suspect to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Why? Is it more logical to believe that EVERYONE who uses PED's gets caught?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
You have to assume innocent until proven guilty otherwise you just cannot follow the sport you love without any conviction.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerWhy? Is it more logical to believe that EVERYONE who uses PED's gets caught?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I can't assume innocent until proven guilty because it's too easy to get away with it, and I'm not niave enough to believe that these guys are all good little boy scouts who wouldn't dream of cheating. It's just not realistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I know Holyfield used steroids and I don't think it made him any less of a warrior, or any less skilled of a boxer.
Of course it did!Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerI can't assume innocent until proven guilty because it's too easy to get away with it, and I'm not niave enough to believe that these guys are all good little boy scouts who wouldn't dream of cheating. It's just not realistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I know Holyfield used steroids and I don't think it made him any less of a warrior, or any less skilled of a boxer.
He wasnt confident enough to go in there without an edge.
How tough is someone who takes a knife to a fist fight? Thats what Holyfield was doing, taking an unatural edge. Cheating is cheating.
Without that edge those lesser fighters like Bert Cooper wouldnt have just hurt him theyd have finished him and he wouldnt have had much of a heavyweight career at all.
I think it's very safe (and proven) that Mike Tyson was using any and all kinds of recreational drugs (mainly marijuana and cocaine) but what fighter doesn't use those? I'm not saying they ALL use those, but it's fairly prevelant, hell JC Jr got busted for pot in his last fight (paid through the nose too).
As for Steroids & HGH, I don't know...I think if he had used those drugs he would have said so already, because it's not like they could put him in jail for it as he hasn't lied to Congress or a Grand Jury, plus Mike is a fairly honest person...when you're asked "What's the hardest you've ever hit someone?" and the answer that jumps out is "Robin Givens" I believe he would have spilled the beans by now.
Well, admitting he acted a like a scumbag is one thing, but admitting to steroid use would tarnish the one thing he actually has left from his younger days.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
PEDs enhance your performance for sure, but they don't make getting punched hurt less, they don't give you the ability to take a punch better on the chin (history suggests this), and I'm not convinced that it increases punching power to any signficant degree. Stephan Bonner of the UFC was juiced to the gills when he fought Anderson Silva. Anderson put his hands down and let Stephan punch him, and then laughed at him. PED's don't turn you into Earnie Shavers all of a sudden. And obviously they don't teach you how to fight.
Even if he said it was in his post prison days would it tarnish what he accomplished? Tommy Morrison used steroids...didn't seem to help him all that much. The point of steroid use is to work out & recover faster thereby allowing you to work out longer, harder, and more often.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerWell, admitting he acted a like a scumbag is one thing, but admitting to steroid use would tarnish the one thing he actually has left from his younger days.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
PEDs enhance your performance for sure, but they don't make getting punched hurt less, they don't give you the ability to take a punch better on the chin (history suggests this), and I'm not convinced that it increases punching power to any signficant degree. Stephan Bonner of the UFC was juiced to the gills when he fought Anderson Silva. Anderson put his hands down and let Stephan punch him, and then laughed at him. PED's don't turn you into Earnie Shavers all of a sudden. And obviously they don't teach you how to fight.
I just think Mike is open enough these days to admit if he did something, besides he's bipolar so odds are we would have heard of it by now had it happened. In some crazed manic state Tyson may have off handedly joked about steroids or in a deeply depressed state confided to a friend about steroids and we all know Mike had no friends that would have kept that under their hat, they would have sold him out for 2 bits if they could have got away with it.