"Emos" now protected by "hate crime" laws

"Lyle has a right to be outraged" did you say? ;D

I had a feeling you'd react to that. :) Don't worry... it wasn't meant as a slight.
Us banana republic citizens have a least a little sense of right and wrong.

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Last time I checked, there's no law against hating anyone you like, as long as you keep it to yourself.

The thing I 'hate' about hate crime legislation/laws, is they were primarily designed to protect blacks from being targeted by whites, it's ironic however, that black on white crime is 7 times higher in the U.S.. Fuck yer hate crime legislation.

As for, emos, goths, punks, I say take them to the top of one of the many castles you have in England, and give them a good toss.

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Yup, but don't let any of the Saddo posters see what you've posted....it might be racist somehow, give them some time, they'll think up a way.

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I don't know Lyle, Saddo posters are highly intelligent and besides, i'm not sure i'm a racist, I try to hate all of humanity equally. :cool:

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Ok then, if white people are excluded from protection under hate crime laws, then yes... the laws are seriously flawed and people like Lyle have a right to be outraged. And yes again... lawmakers who make laws solely to pander for votes without the slightest concern for the people, are doing more harm than good. I have no issues with anything you said in your post.

Having said that, hate crimes and hate speech are serious issues in an already decaying society. Haters grab on to the Constitutional rights which again... were drafted back when society wasn't such a sick, rotten mess. It's so convenient to claim "free speech" when you're openly spewing hate and provoking violence against groups based on race or ethnicity.

Current lawmakers may not be the best people to have in charge of trying to right the wrongs in society... but something should be done, don't you think? You've seen my posts enough to know that I'm always in favor of doing something, even if that "something" later needs some tweaking. Doing anything is better than sitting around fretting while society continues to flush itself down the toilet.

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As a white male this means dick but I really don't think hate speech is as big of an issue as the media reports. I personally encounter much more overt racism from blacks than anyone else and remember my wife's family is from East Texas. That being said punishing (ostracizing is cool though) for unpopular speech/beliefs is a slippery slope. Believing in freedom and personal liberties unfortunately means putting up with a nation's lowest common denominator.

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Originally Posted by VictorCharlie

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Ok then, if white people are excluded from protection under hate crime laws, then yes... the laws are seriously flawed and people like Lyle have a right to be outraged. And yes again... lawmakers who make laws solely to pander for votes without the slightest concern for the people, are doing more harm than good. I have no issues with anything you said in your post.

Having said that, hate crimes and hate speech are serious issues in an already decaying society. Haters grab on to the Constitutional rights which again... were drafted back when society wasn't such a sick, rotten mess. It's so convenient to claim "free speech" when you're openly spewing hate and provoking violence against groups based on race or ethnicity.

Current lawmakers may not be the best people to have in charge of trying to right the wrongs in society... but something should be done, don't you think? You've seen my posts enough to know that I'm always in favor of doing something, even if that "something" later needs some tweaking. Doing anything is better than sitting around fretting while society continues to flush itself down the toilet.

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As a white male this means dick but I really don't think hate speech is as big of an issue as the media reports. I personally encounter much more overt racism from blacks than anyone else and remember my wife's family is from East Texas. That being said punishing (ostracizing is cool though) for unpopular speech/beliefs is a slippery slope. Believing in freedom and personal liberties unfortunately means putting up with a nation's lowest common denominator.

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Ditto, and it's something i'd 'prefer not to deal with at all.

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Originally Posted by VictorCharlie

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Ok then, if white people are excluded from protection under hate crime laws, then yes... the laws are seriously flawed and people like Lyle have a right to be outraged. And yes again... lawmakers who make laws solely to pander for votes without the slightest concern for the people, are doing more harm than good. I have no issues with anything you said in your post.

Having said that, hate crimes and hate speech are serious issues in an already decaying society. Haters grab on to the Constitutional rights which again... were drafted back when society wasn't such a sick, rotten mess. It's so convenient to claim "free speech" when you're openly spewing hate and provoking violence against groups based on race or ethnicity.

Current lawmakers may not be the best people to have in charge of trying to right the wrongs in society... but something should be done, don't you think? You've seen my posts enough to know that I'm always in favor of doing something, even if that "something" later needs some tweaking. Doing anything is better than sitting around fretting while society continues to flush itself down the toilet.

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As a white male this means dick but I really don't think hate speech is as big of an issue as the media reports. I personally encounter much more overt racism from blacks than anyone else and remember my wife's family is from East Texas. That being said punishing (ostracizing is cool though) for unpopular speech/beliefs is a slippery slope. Believing in freedom and personal liberties unfortunately means putting up with a nation's lowest common denominator.

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And if and when lawmakers grow some balls to address these issues from an even-handed point of view...... then we'll be getting somewhere.

Everyone is supposed to enjoy equal protection under the law. These kind of laws protect different classes of people more so than others.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Everyone is supposed to enjoy equal protection under the law. These kind of laws protect different classes of people more so than others.

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I'm pretty sure everyone still has the same protection under the law. It is the punishment for the criminals that is different, as opposed to the protection people receive.

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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Everyone is supposed to enjoy equal protection under the law. These kind of laws protect different classes of people more so than others.

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I'm pretty sure everyone still has the same protection under the law. It is the punishment for the criminals that is different, as opposed to the protection people receive.

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Is an emo's life worth a harsher punishment than a non-emo? The differences in punishment mean inequality... do you not see that? Why emos why not chavs? Everyone hates chavs, should their group not be protected?

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Everyone is supposed to enjoy equal protection under the law. These kind of laws protect different classes of people more so than others.

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I'm pretty sure everyone still has the same protection under the law. It is the punishment for the criminals that is different, as opposed to the protection people receive.

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Is an emo's life worth a harsher punishment than a non-emo? The differences in punishment mean inequality... do you not see that? Why emos why not chavs? Everyone hates chavs, should their group not be protected?

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Let's go back to an earlier post of yours, where you make the point that being an emo is a choice. Unlike being black, Vietnamese, or a Jew. If you're a member of a hate group, and go out and lynch a person because he's any of the aforementioned, IMO you deserve a worse punishment than if you murder someone under other circumstances or for other motives.

Let's go back to something similar to an earlier GB post as well. Different scenarios:

• You kill someone you found in bed with your wife.
• You kill someone who cut in front of you on the freeway.
• You kill someone because you had a fight in a bar.
• You kill someone because he's black and you're a KKK or skinhead.

IMO, murderer # 4 deserves a worse punishment than 1-3. All victims are protected by law. But motive decides the severity of the punishment.

it seems unlikely that chavs would be a target of a hate crime, but if there is a groundswell of violent crimes and murders happening because they are of that social group...

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Everyone is supposed to enjoy equal protection under the law. These kind of laws protect different classes of people more so than others.

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I'm pretty sure everyone still has the same protection under the law. It is the punishment for the criminals that is different, as opposed to the protection people receive.

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Is an emo's life worth a harsher punishment than a non-emo? The differences in punishment mean inequality... do you not see that? Why emos why not chavs? Everyone hates chavs, should their group not be protected?

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Let's go back to an earlier post of yours, where you make the point that being an emo is a choice. Unlike being black, Vietnamese, or a Jew. If you're a member of a hate group, and go out and lynch a person because he's any of the aforementioned, IMO you deserve a worse punishment than if you murder someone under other circumstances or for other motives.

Let's go back to something similar to an earlier GB post as well. Different scenarios:

• You kill someone you found in bed with your wife.
• You kill someone who cut in front of you on the freeway.
• You kill someone because you had a fight in a bar.
• You kill someone because he's black and you're a KKK or skinhead.

IMO, murderer # 4 deserves a worse punishment than 1-3. All victims are protected by law. But motive decides the severity of the punishment.

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BTW, before you complain....... if a black kills someone because he's white, and he happened to walk into a black militant neighborhood...... then he's lumped into # 4 as well.

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Originally Posted by Mars_ax

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by Mars_ax

Last time I checked, there's no law against hating anyone you like, as long as you keep it to yourself.

The thing I 'hate' about hate crime legislation/laws, is they were primarily designed to protect blacks from being targeted by whites, it's ironic however, that black on white crime is 7 times higher in the U.S.. Fuck yer hate crime legislation.

As for, emos, goths, punks, I say take them to the top of one of the many castles you have in England, and give them a good toss.

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Yup, but don't let any of the Saddo posters see what you've posted....it might be racist somehow, give them some time, they'll think up a way.

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I don't know Lyle, Saddo posters are highly intelligent and besides, i'm not sure i'm a racist, I try to hate all of humanity equally. :cool:

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Yes Mars I'm no racist I hate ever fucker,;D I treat ever one with contempt, in the words of Doris Day
what ever will be will be, kick that Emos ass.;D

Most of you are getting your knickers in a twist. No law is being changed, it is simply encouraging these victims of crime to report attacks against them. A crime is a crime.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Everyone is supposed to enjoy equal protection under the law. These kind of laws protect different classes of people more so than others.

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I'm pretty sure everyone still has the same protection under the law. It is the punishment for the criminals that is different, as opposed to the protection people receive.

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Is an emo's life worth a harsher punishment than a non-emo? The differences in punishment mean inequality... do you not see that? Why emos why not chavs? Everyone hates chavs, should their group not be protected?

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Do you have Chav's in the US? I had assumed it was a UK thing, track suit wearing, toothless wasters.

Basically you cannot say anything mean about anyone. You can think what you like, but if you say it outloud then you offend someone. That then makes you racist, gayist, gingerist, chavist, heightist and so on. Some people are just wankers, always will be. If that wasn't a taboo and likely to be offensive, they would just say something else offensive. There should be a law against cunts, a panel decides and if you are generally a cunt to people, you'll get dealt with.

Killing someone on purpose is murder, full stop. Doesn't really matter if you did it because what they look like or if it was because you had a dodgy Big Mac for lunch. Either way, it's a cuntish thing to do, no better or worse than each other.