Danny Garcia- not to be over-shadowed!

this thread is getting a bit hairy

i think garcia looks very good, very tough and strong and hits hard enough

might sound daft but he is better than he looks (i think :))

whos he fighting next?

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Originally Posted by imp

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

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Originally Posted by imp

Its obvious to everyone that khan is a better boxer than his opposition but styles makes fights and after khans last performance i dont think virgil would be comfortable in putting him in with garcia.

Why not move up to welter and get as close to you can the biggest payday in his career as its obvious he is not the best at 140 and never will be.

All im saying is garcia deserves some credit for what he has achieved and both him and his father are good for boxing.

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The fact is Khan is what Garcia has achieved. What has he done since? fought a shot Morales and struggled with Judah. Has he fought Maidana? Did he finish Judah in 5 rounds ? Has he fought Lamont Peterson ? Garcia has to earn credit. You keep bringing up Khan as though Khan is avoiding Garcia. Khan would jump straight in with Matthysse. Garcia wouldn't even rematch Khan let alone fight Lucas.

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that's why Khan chose Julio Diaz of all the talent at 140 as his comeback opponent right? and that's why he's jumping up to 147 now, as for rematches, we're still waiting for rematches against Prescott and Maidana, so lets not try to play the Amir takes on all comers card

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Exactly.

One rule for khan.
Another for garcia.

Khan can fight garcia another ten times but it wont save him as garcia will simply beat him up.

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Why should khan rematch Madiana? He beat him after Prescott. He also went on to fight Peterson in his back yard when Khan was the belt holder. Garcia two defences have not Bern against, dangerous, young or hungry fighters. No comparison and the fact you think Khan would never beat Garcia shows you are being irrational. Khan is more than capable of beating Garcia, as are many.

The thing with khan is that when someone hurts him and knocks him out it takes something away from him permanently.

Khan is just not tough enough to beat garcia. You can pull out all garcias old opponents and how he struggled with guy and etc but the bottom line is he had and will always have khans number.
Its the same with prescott.

Khan just fought a guy 8 years past his prime and was knockdown twice and never really hurt his opponent. Khan is a nice guy with great boxing skills but the blueprint is there for all to see..rough him up in the second half of the fight and his punch resistance will drown.

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Originally Posted by imp

The thing with khan is that when someone hurts him and knocks him out it takes something away from him permanently.

Khan is just not tough enough to beat garcia. You can pull out all garcias old opponents and how he struggled with guy and etc but the bottom line is he had and will always have khans number.
Its the same with prescott.

Khan just fought a guy 8 years past his prime and was knockdown twice and never really hurt his opponent. Khan is a nice guy with great boxing skills but the blueprint is there for all to see..rough him up in the second half of the fight and his punch resistance will drown.

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khans career is far from over, hes got a few big wins left in him yet

Wow I just don't see it. I love Danny Garcia, but nothing about him screams unbeatable to me. I have serious doubts about whether or not he can even get by Matthyse!

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Khan just fought a guy 8 years past his prime and was knockdown twice and never really hurt his opponent. Khan is a nice guy with great boxing skills but the blueprint is there for all to see..rough him up in the second half of the fight and his punch resistance will drown.

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I dunno... maybe Khan can pull off a Wlad Klitschko and find a way to not get KTFO all the time hehe

over shaddowed ?

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Originally Posted by erics44

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Originally Posted by imp

The thing with khan is that when someone hurts him and knocks him out it takes something away from him permanently.

Khan is just not tough enough to beat garcia. You can pull out all garcias old opponents and how he struggled with guy and etc but the bottom line is he had and will always have khans number.
Its the same with prescott.

Khan just fought a guy 8 years past his prime and was knockdown twice and never really hurt his opponent. Khan is a nice guy with great boxing skills but the blueprint is there for all to see..rough him up in the second half of the fight and his punch resistance will drown.

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khans career is far from over, hes got a few big wins left in him yet

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Against lightweights

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Originally Posted by imp

Khan just fought a guy 8 years past his prime and was knockdown twice and never really hurt his opponent. Khan is a nice guy with great boxing skills but the blueprint is there for all to see..rough him up in the second half of the fight and his punch resistance will drown.

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I dunno... maybe Khan can pull off a Wlad Klitschko and find a way to not get KTFO all the time hehe

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Khan is exciting with wicked handspeed but does not have Wlad massive size and jab to dictate fights.

But you are correct when mentioning the comparison (joke or not) Wlad is another one that hates to fight and turns into a big girls blouse and gets flustered when it gets rough.

Both khan and Wlad have issues with fighting and suffer intermittent punch resistance but if they stick to boxing that is their safe little warm cosy place.

Danny garcia next fight needs to be mattysshe or karim mayfield.

There is no other options and september will prove whether garcia is the top dog of the divison or not.

If Garcia whips Matthyse, I'll be all in.

Garcia is far from a complete fighter. He does pack a dynamite left hook, his right hand is a bit wild and he does fight at a slow pace. I think Matthysse has the beating of him and Khan would have stopped him mid way. He is a relatively good fighter but not great.

Khan just needs to face light punchers and stay away from guys with knockout power. Devon Alexander or Timothy Bradley would be good tests at 147.

Garcia a good, solid boxer. He hasn't lost, but he's also faced guys at the right time in my opinion, which is completely his right, but it is what it is. I'm very curious to see if GB gets Garcia-Matthysse made. I have my doubts it gets done. That's one of the most explosive fights out there at any weight.

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Originally Posted by erics44

this thread is getting a bit hairy

i think garcia looks very good, very tough and strong and hits hard enough

might sound daft but he is better than he looks (i think :))

whos he fighting next?

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They have him up against Lucas Matthysse. I have Garcia to win a split decision... no ko, unless Lucas gets VERY lucky and wobbles Garcia and the ref decides the fight and/or Lucas wins a few rounds while Garcia runs to recover. But Garcia isn't the type of fighter you get lucky on.... imo...

There are some fighters that you simply have to wear them down in order to win against them, Alexander, Floyd, JMM (even with his multiple knock-downs, he gets back up and comes back strong UNLIKE Tim Bradley, who has questionable fight wins- most notably vs. Manny Pac and Provodnik), Hagler also comes to mind and Ali also comes to mind.

Garcia is one of those fighters that you have to wear him down. You don't get a lucky-stiff-shot in easily, and when you do, he recovers quickly and sops up the pain really well.

This fight goes the distance and with Garcia winning a split...