BOXNATION - CHISORA v SCOTT-O'SULLIVAN v SAUNDERS -Saturday Night Fight CHAT THREAD

Great performance by Saunders. The Tibbs are a great team and the lad has great natural talent, it's in his blood. Kid can fight.

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Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

I was right. O'Sullivan is terrible and Saunders is proving it.

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I think that is a little unkind to Billy, he could make better fighters look poor with his skills and speed.

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It isn't. Billy is a decent fighter, but there is absolutely nothing impressive about Gary O'Sullivan. Buncey before hand was saying "I don't know why everyone thinks this will be a gimme for Billy Joe". It is simple, everyone thought it would be because it is. Gary is going nowhere. Eubank Jr. would've been a better test.

I would like to see him fight Eubank Jr. Winning the Lonsdale belt outright is a commendable aim and I think Saunders career is being paced correctly. O'Sullivan may have been poor but we know Buncey like promoters will over egg it and make it seem harder than it was but it was for a ranking position, so I understand it.

RE: The count in Chisora-Scott.

He rose at 9. That is not good enough. You do not get 10 seconds to get up, you get 10 seconds to be up and show the ref you are ready to fight. It's an unsatisfactory end but adhering to the rules. That is why every fighter in history gets up at 8 if they are able to.

BBBC's rules of boxing-
3.33.2 If a Boxer regains his feet in the boxing ring within the specified intervals (10 seconds) but fails to satisfy the Referee that he is in a position and condition to defend himself, the Referee shall stop the Contest and deduct ten points from this score. He shall award the opponent ten points and declare him the winner.

i.e. you do not have 10 seconds to get up, you have 10 seconds to get up and show the ref you are ready and able to continue. It's annoying but it is what it is.

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Originally Posted by ryanman

BBBC's rules of boxing-
3.33.2 If a Boxer regains his feet in the boxing ring within the specified intervals (10 seconds) but fails to satisfy the Referee that he is in a position and condition to defend himself, the Referee shall stop the Contest and deduct ten points from this score. He shall award the opponent ten points and declare him the winner.

i.e. you do not have 10 seconds to get up, you have 10 seconds to get up and show the ref you are ready and able to continue. It's annoying but it is what it is.

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It's a judgment call. He was up at 9. That much is clear from the replays. If the referee decided that he was not in a condition to defend himself, I can't fault him for stopping the contest. However, I didn't see the referee examine him at all to see if he was in a condition to defend himself. Further, from where I was sitting he appeared ready to defend himself. He got up fast. He had never been knocked down in the fight. He doesn't have a history of stoppages. I would have let him fight. But, I wasn't the third man in the ring.

I thought the announcers and referee were arguing that he wasn't up at 9, which clearly was the case, not that he wasn't in a condition to defend himself. If that was their argument, they were wrong.

He was up. The referee waved it off when he was up. I can't see an argument. The referee got it wrong. Good on Scott for being a gentleman about it, but he had every right to argue that call. From his point of view though, arguing it isn't gunna change the decision. Maybe he felt that by accepting it he'd have a better shot at getting a rematch. I expect to read numerous interviews this week were it is argued how wrong the decision was.

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

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Originally Posted by ryanman

BBBC's rules of boxing-
3.33.2 If a Boxer regains his feet in the boxing ring within the specified intervals (10 seconds) but fails to satisfy the Referee that he is in a position and condition to defend himself, the Referee shall stop the Contest and deduct ten points from this score. He shall award the opponent ten points and declare him the winner.

i.e. you do not have 10 seconds to get up, you have 10 seconds to get up and show the ref you are ready and able to continue. It's annoying but it is what it is.

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It's a judgment call. He was up at 9. That much is clear from the replays. If the referee decided that he was not in a condition to defend himself, I can't fault him for stopping the contest. However, I didn't see the referee examine him at all to see if he was in a condition to defend himself. Further, from where I was sitting he appeared ready to defend himself. He got up fast. He had never been knocked down in the fight. He doesn't have a history of stoppages. I would have let him fight. But, I wasn't the third man in the ring.

I thought the announcers and referee were arguing that he wasn't up at 9, which clearly was the case, not that he wasn't in a condition to defend himself. If that was their argument, they were wrong.

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It would be good to see the referee exercise some discretion there and let it go on, but you have 10 seconds to get up and be ready to fight, not just to get up. He rose at 9 for sure.

I agree totally with Cleverly, no sympathy.

The ref was yelling the count in his face, and any tough fighter that was as unhurt and as able to continue as he looked would have been up at 3.

I believe he wanted no more of Del Boy because he didn't even seem that disappointed.

Scott got it wrong simple,! not the ref the fighter. He should have been up as the count hit 8 not 10. The blame is on Scott.

i felt he was up at 9 and a half easily but yes he should have got up at 8.

Just feel cheated as that fight was brewing into a potential cracker.

I bet there'll be a rematch

I think Scott quit and his reaction afterwards said it all - acted like he couldn't give a fuck, he should have been going mental like his trainer. If he didn't quit then he should have done some homework on Brit refs, there aren't any Steve Smoger's over here.

Billy Joe looked good against a guy he was meant to look good against. That lack of power though is gonna get him found out.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

I think Scott quit and his reaction afterwards said it all - acted like he couldn't give a fuck, he should have been going mental like his trainer. If he didn't quit then he should have done some homework on Brit refs, there aren't any Steve Smoger's over here.

Billy Joe looked good against a guy he was meant to look good against. That lack of power though is gonna get him found out.

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He was never going anywhere. Hes skillfull but doesnt have the desire.

Hes been a pro since 2000! 13 years!

This was his first real step up in 13 years! He has been a pro so long he sparred Lennox Lewis in one of his camps!

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Originally Posted by Fenster

I think Scott quit and his reaction afterwards said it all - acted like he couldn't give a fuck, he should have been going mental like his trainer. If he didn't quit then he should have done some homework on Brit refs, there aren't any Steve Smoger's over here.

Billy Joe looked good against a guy he was meant to look good against. That lack of power though is gonna get him found out.

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agreed, he quit

and he started getting up at 9 and was on his way up at 10, so either way he didnt beat the count

if it was a fighter who really wanted to continue it would have been harsh

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Originally Posted by erics44

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Originally Posted by Fenster

I think Scott quit and his reaction afterwards said it all - acted like he couldn't give a fuck, he should have been going mental like his trainer. If he didn't quit then he should have done some homework on Brit refs, there aren't any Steve Smoger's over here.

Billy Joe looked good against a guy he was meant to look good against. That lack of power though is gonna get him found out.

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agreed, he quit

and he started getting up at 9 and was on his way up at 10, so either way he didnt beat the count

if it was a fighter who really wanted to continue it would have been harsh

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He was up at 9! He should have been allowed to continue. At the same time, I didn't see any complaining from him at the call.