Re: H2H Lennox Lewis is the greatest of all time. Nobody beats him
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No one wanted to see any blacks esp after jack johnson thats why when joe louis came along he was more subservant to keep the peace.
Jack johnson was amazing as he was always himself in those dreadful fatal times.
Bit sad the irony that Johnson himself never defended his title against other blacks though, I can only imagine he didn't have much choice in the matter as they were always lining up the next white hope to beat him.
Jack johnson fought in the worst adversity any boxer has had in all boxing history.
He could have been killed after any of his fights.
Didnt they used to fight 20-30 rds back then?
Yes and sometimes even more rounds than that.
Re: H2H Lennox Lewis is the greatest of all time. Nobody beats him
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Wasn't it Doc Kearns who stopped Dempsey from fighting blacks?
Actually just read up a little on Dempsey to check this. Apparently he was willing to fight Harry Wills and both men had in fact signed the contract, only a promoter never came through with his purse guarantee. I believe Dempsey had initially take the stance that he wouldn't fight blacks though, but who knows if he was told to say so for popularity etc. The other thing is that Dempseys reign came after the best crop of black Heavies were getting well long in the tooth anyways, which I hadn't realized. Even Harry Wills would have been pushing 35 by the time Dempsey was champion, which was ancient for a fighter in those days. Guys like Langford and Mcvey, Jeanette were completely worn out by the 20's etc. Dempsey also later stated he wouldn't have fancied fighting Joe Louis etc, who would have killed him.
Re: H2H Lennox Lewis is the greatest of all time. Nobody beats him
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No one wanted to see any blacks esp after jack johnson thats why when joe louis came along he was more subservant to keep the peace.
Jack johnson was amazing as he was always himself in those dreadful fatal times.
Bit sad the irony that Johnson himself never defended his title against other blacks though, I can only imagine he didn't have much choice in the matter as they were always lining up the next white hope to beat him.
Jack johnson fought in the worst adversity any boxer has had in all boxing history.
He could have been killed after any of his fights.
Didnt they used to fight 20-30 rds back then?
Yes and sometimes even more rounds than that.
Jeez.
Jack Johnson was finally dethroned by a 26th round KO at 37+ years of age. Boggles the mind really.
Re: H2H Lennox Lewis is the greatest of all time. Nobody beats him
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No one wanted to see any blacks esp after jack johnson thats why when joe louis came along he was more subservant to keep the peace.
Jack johnson was amazing as he was always himself in those dreadful fatal times.
Bit sad the irony that Johnson himself never defended his title against other blacks though, I can only imagine he didn't have much choice in the matter as they were always lining up the next white hope to beat him.
Jack johnson fought in the worst adversity any boxer has had in all boxing history.
He could have been killed after any of his fights.
Didnt they used to fight 20-30 rds back then?
Yes and sometimes even more rounds than that.
Jeez.
Jack Johnson was finally dethroned by a 26th round KO at 37+ years of age. Boggles the mind really.
In Cuba's heatwave.
Re: H2H Lennox Lewis is the greatest of all time. Nobody beats him
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Either K2 provides a relatively even match up. I think if Lennox had his tactic spot on, he'd have a better chance with Vitali due to VKs lack of skill but Wladimir honestly is just as capable of flattening Lennox as is anyone.
Also, Larry has the jab, chin heart and conditioning to carry the fight so that's a tough one.
Lastly I think it's far to say that Evander has the style and attributes to give Lennox a rough night at any point of their respective careers- right up until the point that they actually met.
Ali? Hmm, I'm very dubious of how easy it is to overrate him. However, he achieved so much, he was just a winner.
Disagree totally. Wlad has no overhand right, no inside game and isn't much of a counter puncher. Have you ever seen Lewis badly hurt by a straight punch? No reason to give Wlad any more chance to KO Lewis than Vitali had in that respect,
although he does hit harder. I think a great many fighters were better suited for Lennox myself, much lesser ones than Wlad at that. I don't see how Wlad even gets around Lewis having the better jab, let alone being so much more dynamic offensively.
Damn right he hits harder :D
He hits harder than most no?
Wlad is bigger, just as strong if not stronger, in my opinion has the better jab and overall is more accurate and potent and athletic and quicker and...
Seriously, just because you've seen Lennox get dropped by overhand rights that's only because he hadn't fought someone with the superior combination (and utilisation) of height, boxing ability and power.
There is a very good chance that Lennox would become frustrated by the superior jab/ long game/ footwork of Wladimir's and try to impose himself physically only putting himself at a further disadvantage and on course to getting flattened... unless Wladimir simply folds again under the pressure that Lennox would HAVE to assert.
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Wladimir couldn't KO David Haye, but Lennox Lewis would have no choice but to go out on his shield huh:rolleyes:
;D What does Haye have to do with anything? Haye had his game-plan which required Wladimir to do something alien to his instincts and it failed. Lennox was obviously the more destructive fighter and dare I say more exciting but Wladimir is by far the more disciplined fighter (admittedly though, mostly out of necessity) and negated any threat while banking a majority of the rounds.
Just look at the Shannon Briggs fight, Lennox was looking foolish at times and practically gave up trying to box in sports. Hands down, tomfoolery etc.
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Who the hell has Wlad ever fought that's even close to Lewis, I think you're being fairly wishful here.
No I'm just putting it out there. Lennox is my guy but Wladimir hits harder than his brother, is faster than his brother, is a better boxer and is more coordinated than his brother so it's perfectly viable that he would a better job than his brother, no?
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Each his own...but Wlad more athletic, seriously? I guess power, quickness and footwork are debatable in themselves, but he had nowhere near the overall athleticism or depth that Lennox did, he is so mechanical in comparison there are no words.
Lennox was not quick and was somewhat clumsy on his feet - Which is partly why someone with a good jab could give him problems. Personally, I think Wladimir is pretty good on his feet and his overall athleticism IMO is far greater.
Take this how you like but I get the feeling Wladimir could excel at sports to a degree that Lennox could not. He could probably run faster, jump higher, swim further. Is more balletic. Is probably a smarter man and a better thinker.
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Does Wlad hit hard enough to hurt him with a straight right that Lennox would see coming?
Probably. Yeah I'd say so.
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On the flip side, I have a pretty hard time seeing Wlad taking anything solid from Lewis as would most I suspect. If a fight broke out at ANY point in close, Wlad would be the one getting flattened.
I am not necessarily disagreeing with that.
Re: H2H Lennox Lewis is the greatest of all time. Nobody beats him
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Jack dempsey might qualify to carry his spit bucket but probably not.
Jack johnson's skills are too primitive to compete with this man.
Joer louis is too small for lewis and would get knocked out in 5 rounds or less depending on how lewis gfeels.
Marciano would just get toyed with like david tua but only worse
Prime larry holmes just maybe. Just maybe
The klit brothers have the best shot but the lion lewis already fucked up a prime vitali so.
Is there anybody who can Take down the lion lewis?
1964-1967 Clay/Ali would make Lennox Lewis look bad.
