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So basically Miles was as wrong as Lyle in his riot thread. It makes no difference though because he just likes a rant. Empty vessel. International law only when it suits his politics.
:vd: it's a civil war it has 0 impact on US foreign interests. Yeah it sucks that people are dying but it IS war. And this whole idea that the US has to put the lives of their soldiers on the line for humanitarian work is bullshit!Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
It would not matter who the President is and that's part of the problem or which side of the floor the Prime Minister of England is from. We in the west will sit on our collective hands while 200 thousand people are killed and then take a moral stand when a few hundred are killed in the same country by chemicals. Its certifiable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I love how the Peace-nicks are now banging the drums of war just because someone used chemical weapons. Blame Russia and China for not controlling their guy
Eh? Britain might be out of it, but America might well be going ahead as planned, so don't count your chickens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
I'm all for international law, unlike a lot of so called law professors and politicians. I don't believe it is our fight and we won't be thanked for anything by marching in with a 'show of force'. There is still no evidence that Assad was responsible and we know who has a history of using chemical weapons. And lest we forget, we actively supported Saddam when he did use chemical weapons. If we were to intervene in Syria there would have been a case in 2011 as argued by the Robert Fisk over at the Independent, but to say we now have to get involved over an inconclusive chemical attack. Well, that is picking an arbitrary time for intervention considering a hundred thousand and more are dead already. You can't just pick a side and bomb them and use doctored and fabricated evidence which we have a history of doing. WMD anyone? Evidence that Bin Laden orchestrated 9-11? Gulf of Tonkin? Etc etc.
At least be genuine and say you want to help people. Don't talk about protecting US interests and red lines just to display force to Iran in order to make Israel happy. That in itself is a blatant disregard for everyone suffering in Syria. America couldn't give two hoots about anyone in the Middle East, history has shown it time and time again. Even now nobody cares about the Syrians. All I read in the papers is how we might have hurt our standing with America. Are these people serious? Is that really the crux of the argument?
It is pathetic. The simpering politicians of the UK right through to the sociopathic US political realm....they are hideous. We have taken sides and are channeling resources to the rebels. Surely if you are to get involved then that is enough. Let Iran and Hezbollah support Assad and let America and Britain support the terrorist factions. However, arbitrarily bombing places, would be doing nothing more than to say 'Look Iran, we have bigger weapons'. Posturing that will only slaughter Syrians, though Obama likes to wipe out people from the air as we well know.
why dont we just see what will happen this time rather than this proactive happy horse shit nation building crap meddling all around the planet. Is this another one of those "lets get them before they get us" genius type thinking?
Not that America controls its chemical weapons merchants either. After all Saddam used them and America who loved the man at the time turned a blind eye. And still it isn't proven that Assad used them. Only the rebels have been shown to use them thus far.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong:vd: it's a civil war it has 0 impact on US foreign interests. Yeah it sucks that people are dying but it IS war. And this whole idea that the US has to put the lives of their soldiers on the line for humanitarian work is bullshit!Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitIt would not matter who the President is and that's part of the problem or which side of the floor the Prime Minister of England is from. We in the west will sit on our collective hands while 200 thousand people are killed and then take a moral stand when a few hundred are killed in the same country by chemicals. Its certifiable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I love how the Peace-nicks are now banging the drums of war just because someone used chemical weapons. Blame Russia and China for not controlling their guy
And where is Saddam now princess?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Assad and the rebels are equally vile...I wouldn't support either group.
Well, it took lies of considerable proportion to make an excuse to topple Saddam. A similar thing is quite possibly the deal here, though we have never been that close to Assad.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAnd where is Saddam now princess?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Assad and the rebels are equally vile...I wouldn't support either group.
In terms of sides, I agree. They have both shown their colours. In the middle are swathes of people who just want to get on with lives, but won't for a long time. It isn't our fight though, the rhetoric of the politicians gives little concern regarding the people of Syria. It is all about brownie points with America and showing strength to Iran.
The face palm does not improve the pretzel logic you just used or help in labeling me a peace nick. Stay the fuck out of other peoples business and acting like some neighbour hood bully who lost his ritalin. You dont even know who the fucking enemy is.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong:vd: it's a civil war it has 0 impact on US foreign interests. Yeah it sucks that people are dying but it IS war. And this whole idea that the US has to put the lives of their soldiers on the line for humanitarian work is bullshit!Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitIt would not matter who the President is and that's part of the problem or which side of the floor the Prime Minister of England is from. We in the west will sit on our collective hands while 200 thousand people are killed and then take a moral stand when a few hundred are killed in the same country by chemicals. Its certifiable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I love how the Peace-nicks are now banging the drums of war just because someone used chemical weapons. Blame Russia and China for not controlling their guy
Pretzel logic? And hell I want my country to stay out of Syria, it's a clusterfuck over there.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
How's about this choice for you Assad or Terrorists....pick who you support because those are the choices here. There's no 3rd party of peace and democracy loving people.
Also I fail to see how lobbing bombs into a country in the midst of a civil war will help solve an problems.
Please explain your reasoning to me, why should we get involved in this civil war? Assad may have used chemical weapons but hell the rebels allegedly used chemical weapons too. So again why do we need to get involved?
IamInuit is just pointing out the lunatic character of our political systems and to me seems to be arguing a similar point to Robert Fisk. We had the chance to intervene when it mattered and a hundred thousand dead later are making up nonsense to not help people but just show we are strong. It is deranged, we have never cared about people. We don't now either and IamInuit is just saying the West is being off its rocker. Lyle, you agree with that.
If its shaped like a pretzel and lays flat on a plate like a pretzel and tastes like a pretzel its a pretzel.
Like I said the facts are in and they speak for themselves.
Let the Arab league deal with it and get out of the world policing business. It would be different if you were in anyway consistent. The only time you do anything is when you have no shot at losing. The fact that you want to go bomb a country already in ruins, killing hundreds if not thousands of innocent people
because "somebody" used gas killing innocent people is fucking insane and its that black and white.Its the same pretzel used for Afghanistan.
Your obsession with powerful black men is something to see. No matter what the subjext is you turn every thread into an examination of your current love interest.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAre you senile then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingOil is the main export of every Arab country that has any, even countries that have very little like Syria. They don't do a lot of manufacturing or exporting of anything else. Saudi Arabia's second-biggest export is second hand clothes.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongOil is their main export but go on, you were saying?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingNot enough to make it a consideration in whether we get involved or not. If there was a lot of oil there we'd have been stuck in ages ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
The Syrian war is just getting started. It could easily last another decade. And the west getting involved isn't going to help things any. Hopefully they just fire a few missiles and then let the Syrians get on with it.
And there's zero chance of any wider conflict developing (except into Lebanon, Iraq and so on.) We heard the same nonsense about Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Libya, you name it. Hopefully even the Americans and Brits won't be dumb enough to put boots on the ground there, certainly nobody else is.
Also it seems that YOUR President will be using force without Congress having had a vote to allow that.....but hell what do I know? You were on the whole "Hope & Change" bandwagon perhaps you can explain which part of that, attacking Syria without a Congressional vote authorizing force or UN support is....Hope or Change???
Obama is your president, not mine and this is just the latest in a long line of illegal actions by American presidents.
Again YOU said Obama was better than Romney now don't you feel like a stupid cunt?
Exclusive: CIA Files Prove America Helped Saddam as He Gassed Iran - By Shane Harris and Matthew M. Aid | Foreign PolicyQuote:
Originally Posted by GandalfNot that America controls its chemical weapons merchants either. After all Saddam used them and America who loved the man at the time turned a blind eye. And still it isn't proven that Assad used them. Only the rebels have been shown to use them thus far.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong:vd: it's a civil war it has 0 impact on US foreign interests. Yeah it sucks that people are dying but it IS war. And this whole idea that the US has to put the lives of their soldiers on the line for humanitarian work is bullshit!Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitIt would not matter who the President is and that's part of the problem or which side of the floor the Prime Minister of England is from. We in the west will sit on our collective hands while 200 thousand people are killed and then take a moral stand when a few hundred are killed in the same country by chemicals. Its certifiable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I love how the Peace-nicks are now banging the drums of war just because someone used chemical weapons. Blame Russia and China for not controlling their guy
So it was a good idea to invade Iraq?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAnd where is Saddam now princess?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Assad and the rebels are equally vile...I wouldn't support either group.