Re: Another girl mauled to death by dog.
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Beanflicker
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Spicoli
I had to jump in and shoot two views on a Rotti who weighed in around 140 Monday. Suspected a fracture in lower limb but no clear indicators, no muzzle. Very easy going and well trained dog but still full of that characteristic assertiveness and 'being in front' for lack of a better term. Great family pet..but would I ever consider a Rott or like breed in my home or around a child, no f'n way.
It really is how you raise them, I've had no problems with my Rotti thus far with people or children.
I think the big problem is rotties and pitbulls in particular attract the macho, "gangsta" wanna be types who aren't doing the responsible things. Because these are big dogs with massive stopping power who can do real bad things when they aren't brought up right.
Mine is a great family dog, gets along with kids, my siblings, my folks, ect.
It really comes down to that, environment and raising as you the dominate one. Not overbearing to them, but equal approach in praising or correction. If you approach a breed like that unsure, erratic and hostile..you'll get that in return. I get newbies in who are fidgety and mistake being LOUD and forceful with leading or correction. Dog ain't listening to that, he's tucking his tail and putting up the defenses. Dogs read you just as much as you read tells or signs in them when working with them. I LOVE having aggressive pets come in and other than assisting in any way in saving a life..THE best feeling is turning a fear biter or basically "aggressive" dog into a ass wiggling ham by the end of the day. Every dog can bite, but when they get comfort-confidence and come around, it's absolutely f'kn awesome!
We get a few every week, some assclown with little man syndrome bringing in the Pitt. Massive collar...named "Tank" Tyson or Otto as examples. Rarely is there one unapproachable but you can never sleep on them. I had some whiffle Dick idiot ask about "tin snips and dry ice" half joking because we will not crop ears. It was all I could do to not wrap a trash can around his head. Animals pay for the idiocy and ignorance of man.
Re: Another girl mauled to death by dog.
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imp
I get what your saying bean, but i must say this is sometimes the typical answer from a caring dog owner. (Like yourself)
The only issue is all the other hundreds of stories we dont hear about and some we do hear about from caring owners.
I could happily get a pitbull or rottie or that huge type panther monster in the picture above, but only if it lived with me and me only.
No matter how much you think you know an animal or love an animal there is nothing from stopping it from turning at any moment!
Every creature on this earth has free will. One of Gods greatest gifts
Only takes a few seconds for permanent scarring or death.
How would you justify a situation if your dog did snap next week and attacked alittle girl?
Well there's no way I would try to justify my dog attacking a little girl. I would be devistated and would blame myself 100%. One of the big things I had to do early on was to socialize him not just with people but with little kids and he's always been great with them because of it.
But a "caring" owner and a "responsible" owner aren't necessarily the same thing. A lot of people THINK they are doing the right things out of ignorance, but in reality they're not giving the dog the obedience it needs.
Dogs aren't complex creatures. Just like with humans, you can trace any action back to a source. Like when a serial killer pops up, they have all sorts of reasons or warning signs that they look at after the fact. I believe if I could go and see the situation where the dog mauled someone and see how the dog was treated at home, I could pick out sure fire mistakes and warning signs. Sometimes it's obvious, sometimes it might be very subtle. But if you're going to own a "power breed" (rottie, pitbull, ect) then you really need to be extra careful.
Do you think most of these "gangsta" and meathead types are really plunking down the money for training? Or making sure they are socializing their pups every day with people and children? Bringing the dog to the dog park to meet other dogs? Taking hours out of their day to obedience train their dogs and reading up on the psychology of dogs so they can spot warning signs and potential problems?
Or is it more likely that they use the dog as a showpiece, or they want a guard dog who will tear apart any intruder. A dog that they leave out in the backyard all day and then wonder why he doesn't deal with strangers very well.
Re: Another girl mauled to death by dog.
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Spicoli
It really comes down to that, environment and raising as you the dominate one. Not overbearing to them, but equal approach in praising or correction. If you approach a breed like that unsure, erratic and hostile..you'll get that in return. I get newbies in who are fidgety and mistake being LOUD and forceful with leading or correction. Dog ain't listening to that, he's tucking his tail and putting up the defenses. Dogs read you just as much as you read tells or signs in them when working with them. I LOVE having aggressive pets come in and other than assisting in any way in saving a life..THE best feeling is turning a fear biter or basically "aggressive" dog into a ass wiggling ham by the end of the day. Every dog can bite, but when they get comfort-confidence and come around, it's absolutely f'kn awesome!
We get a few every week, some assclown with little man syndrome bringing in the Pitt. Massive collar...named "Tank" Tyson or Otto as examples. Rarely is there one unapproachable but you can never sleep on them. I had some whiffle Dick idiot ask about "tin snips and dry ice" half joking because we will not crop ears. It was all I could do to not wrap a trash can around his head. Animals pay for the idiocy and ignorance of man.
Ain't that the sad truth.
I don't have any experience owning a pitbull, but I know Rotties, Dobermen and German Shepherds are INCREDIBLY smart (all in the top 10 intelligence quotient for dogs) and they learn really fucking fast. But you need to take charge with them.
Cesar and a lot of other dog experts say that dogs really want to be lead. They don't want to be the pack leader, because that requires a lot of responsibility. But if they sense you're a pussy and a weak leader and lack the ability to show them obedience and train them, then they'll take the pack leader position and all of a sudden they're YOUR boss haha.
Some people aren't meant to own certain dogs.
Re: Another girl mauled to death by dog.
People are irresponsible with there dogs,remember many people lack common sense,
and many people are just plain stupid, there are many breeds that are totally unsuitable
as family pets. I really don't trust any dog with children, because kids can torment and
be cruel to the dog, resulting in the child getting bittern.
This is not rocket science, as the owner your dog must understand YOU are the boss,
a friend of mine had a bitch, she was a nasty little twat it had bit him on 3 or 4 occasions,
then one day she bit me, needles to say that dog was sorry.
I told my friend to put the dog down, as it could not be trusted he did not, some time later
she badly bit his arm
He put the dog down,!!!!!!!!! she was a bad one but he could not see the fact, to many chances
in the end he new he had made a mistake.
Re: Another girl mauled to death by dog.
Dogs can snap in the head too, some more than others some with age,some on the pecking order in the family too if they havent respect for one family member they place themselves above them, then you got trouble. Management and trust is a hard call sometimes.
