Why the hate for big brother?

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Originally Posted by Max Power

How old are you guys? I am 32. To be making claims that an ancient warrior like this would equate to anything more than a punch bag today you must be 100 years old or atleast a relative of his family! :cool:

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Please. I think you are about 12 years old by some of your short yellow bus comments in this thread like the post I am presently quoting. Seriously, the more horse shit you post about the past and the fighters from it the more it dawns on me as to why there are warnings on anti-freeze labels on why not to drink it.

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Originally Posted by Max Power

Look I know Walcott is a skilful boxer and all that. But his performance even against his olden days opponents was not exactly the stuff champions are made of. He is like Carl Williams of the 80's, good fighter but a borderline bum with regards to record. Not a challenge for a modern HW! He LOST almost 25% of his fights!

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His olden days opponents....do you fuckin eat paste and sniff glue ??? Your talking within a lifetime, not some mongrels carved into the side of a buried cave ffs. Class, skill and intestinal fortitude are what this modern heavyweight era could use more of.

But just as wirth your atom analogy, it can be shown that what the fighters said was false by statistics and film. Take Shavers and Holmes. Tyson KO'd him, Holmes got up from Shaver's. The Tyson KD looked brutal and powerful. I didn't see the Shavers one that impressive.

Sorry but if someone is unconciuos it stands to reason it was harder! I could get knocked out and claim a different punch was harder that only wobbled me but that's not being honest.

I just prefer to trust my own judgement.

Well boxing historians are pretty biased to older fighters and the old writers as well. Boxing hared sport not to be biased in why think we have so many different decision at times everyone sees something different or like something different. Not saying they don't know what there talking about but older guys do have a biased toward the fighters of there generation which is fine because a lot of people are. Do you honestly think Louis or Rocky would stand a chance against the brothers i sure don't but they were good for there era but there eras were weaker then now. Also when people bring up some of the giants they fought lets be real they not even close to brother they were freaks shows really. This era not that great but i think they were eras just as weak if not worst if we go through all the years in boxing.

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Originally Posted by Max Power

The Klitschko's divide boxing fans like no other when it comes to HW's. Modern fans and Europeans consider them the best ever and the current era the strongest and US/English fans and older gen consider them weak champions in a weak era.

All that aside though I completely understand how Wladimir can receive such criticism. Despite his dominance of the division never before seen, his fights are rather boring, systematic and sometimes outrageous with all the hugging. He seems not to want to engage in anything resembling a rough crowd pleasing fight.

But WHY in hell would anybody feel that way about Vitali? I have heard from guys like blockbust etc on this forum how bad Vitali is but really, his fights with Lennox, Johnson, Sanders and Williams were very impressive! He delivered us breathtaking smash fests against very strong opposition. He was not afraid to put his body on the line to deliver the results!

In my opinion Vitali Klitschko should also be considered alongside the other great exciting heavyweights. The good times didn't finish when Lewis retired but a little later when Vitali did!

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Good post. I have no ill feelings toward big brother. He catches flak for being "robotic", but I can live with that. Not everybody is a smooth, fluid boxer. I don't "hate" Wlad either, although his style is harder for me to take. Any fighter who is blatantly, obviously deathly afraid of getting tagged on the chin, to the point of cheathing and making god-awful fights..... drops points on my personal scale. I've seen Wlad engage in morbid "paw-fests" with Sultan..... grapple Olympic-style with Povetkin..... and refuse to take even the slightest chance against big-mouth Haye, who had promised to decapitate him. And every fight leaves me puzzled as to why I watched the damn fight in the first place. That didn't happen with the Tyson's the Lennoxes, or hell.... even the Vitali's of the division. Only with Wlad.