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Originally Posted by Andre
Fuck that. We're not talking about infidelity, a drug addiction, or some other relatively minor flaw.
We're talking about killing innocent civilians. We're talking about torturing people and using horrific means of executing people (a favorite of the Mandela's was "necklacing", which involved filling a tire with gasoline, putting it around someone's head and then lighting it on fire).
SA has become a shithole unless you count bodybags and rape as progressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Superheavy, you are right. Me and Smashup have both been going at it like a couple of gayers and it isn't cool. Will tone it down and hope for the same in return.
Beanflicker makes good points. It's all well and good for someone to forgive when they have tortured people in grotesque physical ways. Most people don't do that, most people find other ways to change the system.
It would be easy to kill a banker and then 20 years later when society is reforming say, 'I believe in forgiveness, I hold no grudges'. Well, it's good that you do, but you are still a very guilty person and you should always fall asleep at night with death on your mind.
I might threaten to push the Queen off a pier, but it's clearly never going to happen. When push comes to shove, I would just make her work in Asda: 'No easy answers for you M'lady, pack those eclairs. Faster. Don't forget, retirement is not an option'.
....actually that's kind of the Progressive MOQuote:
Originally Posted by boylaSA has become a shithole unless you count bodybags and rape as progressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Love Obama's lack of self awareness in his speech "There are too many leaders who claim solidarity with Madiba’s struggle for freedom, but do not tolerate dissent from their own people"
Mandela was also a socialist
Yes and that made him even greater.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
There is a lot of willful ignorance and bigoted prejudice dressed up as social conscience in this thread. There is a big difference between targeting government infrastructure and burning civilians to death with tire necklaces. Mandela recognised this and distanced himself from those who did not, be that MK or even his own then wife, Winnie.
Being a Socialist is neither here nor there, plenty of non socialist leaders have commited atrocities and many socialists have done nothing but work for the greater good.
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Funeral picture, CHEESE!!!!
Made him greater? It made him a dope...but hey he ain't my hero so fuck it, you guys idolize him all you like
Because he was a socialist he was a dope? Your USA hysteria and propaganda that all thinks Liberal and left of that is bad is deeply entrenched in you but you carry on living with that ignorance.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
In the cold war you either sided with the US or USSR. Mandela sided with the latter and because of that yes he was a dope. Thankfully he did believe in peace unlike those who supported him.
“It is our duty to give support to the brother leader … especially in regards to the sanctions which are not hitting just him, they are hitting the ordinary masses of the people … our African brothers and sisters.” - Mandela on Moamar Gadhafi
“If there is a country that has committed unspeakable atrocities in the world, it is the United States of America. They don’t care for human beings.” - Mandela
“Israel should withdraw from all the areas which it won from the Arabs in 1967, and in particular Israel should withdraw completely from the Golan Heights, from south Lebanon and from the West Bank.” - Mandela
“All that (Mr. Bush) wants is Iraqi oil.”
- Mandela
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Peaceful though he may have become after his stint in prison his politics were terrible...no different than Che Guavera
Most of what he said is correct where was the WMD in Iraq?
I've explained Iraq several times. WMD's were a worry but the invasion was going to happen because Saddam had not followed the sanctions imposed on him after the Persian Gulf War and due to that he was oustedQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
I am not going to debate this on a great man's thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongI've explained Iraq several times. WMD's were a worry but the invasion was going to happen because Saddam had not followed the sanctions imposed on him after the Persian Gulf War and due to that he was oustedQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Oh you aren't are you
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Originally Posted by Master
.....you seemed all to willing to talk about Thatcher when she passed.
And she would not support sanctions or boycotts to stop the racist regime. She and her party were always against ANC and Nelson Mandela.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongOh you aren't are you
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Originally Posted by Master
.....you seemed all to willing to talk about Thatcher when she passed.