Re: Is Mayweather a all time great?
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Dude has been fighting at the championship level for 17 years. If you don't see the significance of that you should probably remove your return key.
I do at times have problem with the hand injections. Not a major deal, it's legal where he fights so both fighters have the ability but it does make me scratch my head sometimes.
The avoiding is a little different. Floyd has said in a few interviews his ability to pick his fights is one suspected that make him great, he also said he will continue to do it. He said it on one of Showtime all access shows and a different one I don't recall. That actually made me feel a bit better about him. He at
addressed an issue fans have been talking about for years. He didn't go into.any detail, I wish he had. Most of you guys have followed Mayweather four at least a decade longer than I so you have more knowledge than I. Damn, I went into a long ramble and I lost it on here somewhere so let me wrap it up. Sure, Floyd in a way has used legal PED. And I'm not just talking about the hand injections. Still, having said all this I would still put him on the ATG list. He was made for boxing. I think he could have been more exciting if you had a reckless edge like Manny to name one of many. I think Floyd would have lost his 0 if he had fought Larry Merchant that night they went at it. Floyd has to fight fifty. That will make it undeniable. Either way the guy is just to skilled and dedicated. Mind you, this is conning from a postcard. I don't like Floyd but love his boxing.
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Re: Is Mayweather a all time great?
Well if you want to look at it in realistic terms... doesn't everyone at the top level (or at least their handlers) pick their fights? You have many fight options so you have to pick one.
Floyd picks guys who he will make the most money fighting, and really, can you blame him? And there seems to be the feeling that "quality" and "picked fights" are mutually exclusive, like if Floyd is picking complete bums.
If Floyd could do the biggest fight in boxing history vs Canelo and make insane money (because Floyd gets a big cut of the gate and PPVs sold), why would he not fight Canelo as opposed to a guy like Lara, who is probably a tougher fight but is largely unknown by the general public and wouldn't do half as many PPV buys? Because (on paper) Lara is probably the tougher opponent, does that mean Canelo is garbage? He was undefeated and ranked higher than Lara when he fought Floyd.
Boxing has always been a cash grab. I think it's disingenuous to infer that past greats didn't care about money and only fought the guys they thought would give them the toughest challenge. Bullshit. Leonard fought Duran because he was the guy he would make the most money against. Same with Hagler and Hearns. If those guys didn't have hype behind them or there was more money to be made fighting someone else, he would have chose someone else.
Re: Is Mayweather a all time great?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQYeSXpC244
Is Floyd an ATG, lol. That kind of skill is off the charts. You can't measure that or really compare it to very many that came before him.
And these aren't bums and club fighters he's doing that to. These are world champions.
How someone could watch that and see the insane virtuoso skill that Floyd has and accuse him of not being one of the all time greats is just mind boggling. That's reach a dangerous level of stupidity.
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Look at Corrales (33-0, 27 KOs) pin Floyd in the corner, throw four punches and hit nothing but air.
Re: Is Mayweather a all time great?
Mayweather is in the top 15 and Pac is in the top 20 if you don't think Mayweather is atg then Pac a fucking bum and so is almost everyone one else.Only guy i might rate over Mayweather over past 25 years i Lewis because he was one of the greatest hw champs which i put a lot stock in. Now i think i might have to stop because i fucking hate Mayweather and have had to actually defend the man. I mean the people are so fucking stupid on this forum anymore that i find myself defending a man in which i fucking never thought would have to do. Saddo used to be worth something now its just a bunch bitter fucks just waiting for someone they hate to lose its pretty sad thing to see really. Also anyone who thinks that Mayweather is not atg should never watch boxing again because its not the sport for you go watch mma or tennis i guess.
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I find myself doing that with Floyd. Defending him although I don't like him. He perform some trickery which I don't care for but no doubt he is a marvelous specimen and an all time great. I would still love to see him lose #49 then we can all just say he was a flash in the pan.
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No doubt Floyd is an all-time great, granted he doesn't have the rivalries guys like Leonard-Hearns-Duran had, but shit what do you want from the guy?
The ONLY knock against Floyd was that he never unified at any weight class, but that's it, that's a small knock against the guy. His career has been brilliant and everything right now is just icing on the cake.
Now, he's not Ray Robinson, Roberto Duran, Henry Armstrong, or Willie Pep but by God he's a fucking amazing fighter.
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El Kabong
Now, he's not Ray Robinson, Roberto Duran, Henry Armstrong, or Willie Pep but by God he's a fucking amazing fighter.
The only one of those guys who you could even compare to Floyd in terms of in-ring skill would be SRR.
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El Kabong
Now, he's not Ray Robinson, Roberto Duran, Henry Armstrong, or Willie Pep but by God he's a fucking amazing fighter.
The only one of those guys who you could even compare to Floyd in terms of in-ring skill would be SRR.
Do people just look at anything I say about Floyd and attempt to find fault with it or just assume I'm slighting Floyd somehow????? How much praise must I heap on the guy to just have people accept that I think he's a great fighter?
Skill and ability sure....career achievements on the other hand. And let us not discount Willie Pep's skill or abilities...the guy survived a plane crash and came back to fight at an outrageously high level.
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Nothing against you in particular, I just think people are being a little ridiculous in including certain guys over Floyd.
People insinuate that Floyd isn't on the level of certain guys (Roberto Duran and Willie Pep in particular), and I question whether those guys should even be considered to be near Floyd's level.
In Roberto Duran, you have a guy who was a great lightweight (although who did he really beat at LW), went up to WW, got a fantastic win over Leonard and then QUIT in a championship match, got outfoxed by Wilfredo Benitez and Kirkland Laing, did good against Hagler but still lost, and got KTFO by Hearns.
Why does this guy pop up in everyone's top 10, and then people laugh when you say that a guy who went undefeated for 18 years (16 of those at the championship level) who beat every style, every body type you can think of (mostly in easy/dominant fashion), should be included in the top 10 as well.
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Willie Pep had 229 wins, only 65 KO's, he fought 18 times in 1 year (think about that and the KO% he had), he was seriously injured in a plane crash January 7, 1947 and STILL fought 10 bouts that year winning all of them, he retired in 1960 then came back in 1964 and for the last part of his career he went 43-5 ......yeah, I'm sorry I included him in my all-time greats, I mean obviously the guy wasn't half the fighter Floyd Mayweather is....I mean how foolish of me to even make mention of such a boxing peon in the same thread as the great Floyd Mayweather Jr.
229(65 KO)-11-1....horrible, atrocious record.....how'd he EVER win a belt?
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As for Roberto Duran....you doubt his talent, skill, drive, heart? Fuck 104(69 KO)-16-0 fought from age 16 until he was 50 years old, Universally regarded as the Greatest Lightweight of All-Time, won world titles at: lightweight, welterweight, light middleweight, and middleweight....and he's "not great" or "not worth mentioning with Mayweather"???
Ok, I mean I'm sorry I'm just looking at other "great" fighters and what they did I guess truly none compare. I mean Carmen Basilio, Jake LaMatta, etc beat Ray Robinson....why is Ray in the mix???
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Man do not shit on Duran please he started his career below 135 and manged to win a championship at 160 which is hard fucking thing to do. most of his lose came after he was 40 years of age about 10 of them which i have no problem with because still fighting top guys and in his prime lost to atg. I mean Leonard and Hearns i favor to beat Mayweather and Benitez i am not sure of it be weird fight to watch. I am not sure how Mayweather would do against Hagler either i don't think he could beat him. Pac would of never been a WW champ is Duran, Hearns, Benitez and Leonard were around because he would not fight them. I mean i rate Leonard higher then both divas now although he himself could be one but he fought fucking everyone though so i give him a pass on it on being a diva anyhow they are great fighters.
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