Re: Has a European Champion Ever Transcended to Stardom in the United States?
Getting back to the original question - The problem for GGG to become an American "star" (PPV/Las Vegas) is his opponents. There's only a couple of American "superstars" around the middle/supermiddle division. In fact you can argue that there's none at supermiddle, Ward has never got close to being a PPV/Vegas guy, a Froch fight would enhance his standing but is not PPV.
Obviously Pacquiao is not European, but he is a foreigner in America, so to make a comparison - his rise to superstardom started with Oscar (one of the biggest boxing stars ever) and backed that up by facing Hatton (PPV fighter) and Cotto (PPV fighter). And all this came on the back of already being an established great fighter with legendary fights against Barrera, Morales and Marquez. He had the Latino market onside.
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Which European fighters have achieved that over in the states Naz, Hatton and maybe Joe Calzhage.
They never had mainstream appeal in the States.
Naz was on the brink but got whipped by MAB and put on 100 pounds.
You really don't like Britain hey? Major chip on your shoulder boy.
I like Britain just fine - my grandmother was born in Hull. But as far as producing quality, world class, ATG fighters... you lot are lacking. That's what's up.
Canada though?
Well hell, I never claimed Canada was a hot bed of boxing talent either (although the fact remains that the greatest "British fighter" of all time learned to box in Canada, but that's a whole other issue).
Difference is, Canada generally doesn't care about boxing. We like hockey.
The Brits LOVE boxing, yet they produce so few real quality fighters.
The British population is 63.3 million.
The American population is 317 million!
Britain has had Calzaghe, Hamed, Hatton, Lewis, Benn, Eubank, Khan, all rightly or wrongly pay per view level fighters due to their popularity.
The amount of these type of fighters Britain has given the world is more per population that America has produced.
Like you said, 80,000 went to see Froch v Groves. What American fighter has drawn a crowd of 80,000 in America where it has a much higher available audience?
What is the highest attendance fight involving two Americans?
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Which European fighters have achieved that over in the states Naz, Hatton and maybe Joe Calzhage.
They never had mainstream appeal in the States.
Naz was on the brink but got whipped by MAB and put on 100 pounds.
You really don't like Britain hey? Major chip on your shoulder boy.
I like Britain just fine - my grandmother was born in Hull. But as far as producing quality, world class, ATG fighters... you lot are lacking. That's what's up.
Canada though?
Well hell, I never claimed Canada was a hot bed of boxing talent either (although the fact remains that the greatest "British fighter" of all time learned to box in Canada, but that's a whole other issue).
Difference is, Canada generally doesn't care about boxing. We like hockey.
The Brits LOVE boxing, yet they produce so few real quality fighters.
The British population is 63.3 million.
The American population is 317 million!
Britain has had Calzaghe, Hamed, Hatton, Lewis, Benn, Eubank, Khan, all rightly or wrongly pay per view level fighters due to their popularity.
The amount of these type of fighters Britain has given the world is more per population that America has produced.
Like you said, 80,000 went to see Froch v Groves. What American fighter has drawn a crowd of 80,000 in America where it has a much higher available audience?
What is the highest attendance fight involving two Americans?
Think you might be a bit loose lipped here, especially with the numbers, but thats never stopped you in the past. A cursory look through world title fights over the last 50 years will show the american domination. I am also dissapointed that you never mentioned Joe Bugner in your list of british fighters, 27 rounds with Ali and 12 with Joe Frazier! Statto you are not!
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Which European fighters have achieved that over in the states Naz, Hatton and maybe Joe Calzhage.
They never had mainstream appeal in the States.
Naz was on the brink but got whipped by MAB and put on 100 pounds.
You really don't like Britain hey? Major chip on your shoulder boy.
I like Britain just fine - my grandmother was born in Hull. But as far as producing quality, world class, ATG fighters... you lot are lacking. That's what's up.
Canada though?
Well hell, I never claimed Canada was a hot bed of boxing talent either (although the fact remains that the greatest "British fighter" of all time learned to box in Canada, but that's a whole other issue).
Difference is, Canada generally doesn't care about boxing. We like hockey.
The Brits LOVE boxing, yet they produce so few real quality fighters.
The British population is 63.3 million.
The American population is 317 million!
Britain has had Calzaghe, Hamed, Hatton, Lewis, Benn, Eubank, Khan, all rightly or wrongly pay per view level fighters due to their popularity.
The amount of these type of fighters Britain has given the world is more per population that America has produced.
Like you said, 80,000 went to see Froch v Groves. What American fighter has drawn a crowd of 80,000 in America where it has a much higher available audience?
What is the highest attendance fight involving two Americans?
Think you might be a bit loose lipped here, especially with the numbers, but thats never stopped you in the past. A cursory look through world title fights over the last 50 years will show the american domination. I am also dissapointed that you never mentioned Joe Bugner in your list of british fighters, 27 rounds with Ali and 12 with Joe Frazier! Statto you are not!
Joe Bugner was never a world champion?
Also, yeah America may have had more world champions but how many can draw crowds of 50,000 and 80,000? I have mentioned British fighters who can and shown how tiny the entire British population is compared to America.
Obviously my point being that we produce bigger stars in boxing. Had Calzaghe, Naz, Hatton and Lewis have been American they'd have been bigger than Floyd. America struggles to make friends with the rest of the world and is self obsessed.
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Which European fighters have achieved that over in the states Naz, Hatton and maybe Joe Calzhage.
They never had mainstream appeal in the States.
Naz was on the brink but got whipped by MAB and put on 100 pounds.
You really don't like Britain hey? Major chip on your shoulder boy.
I like Britain just fine - my grandmother was born in Hull. But as far as producing quality, world class, ATG fighters... you lot are lacking. That's what's up.
Canada though?
Well hell, I never claimed Canada was a hot bed of boxing talent either (although the fact remains that the greatest "British fighter" of all time learned to box in Canada, but that's a whole other issue).
Difference is, Canada generally doesn't care about boxing. We like hockey.
The Brits LOVE boxing, yet they produce so few real quality fighters.
The British population is 63.3 million.
The American population is 317 million!
Britain has had Calzaghe, Hamed, Hatton, Lewis, Benn, Eubank, Khan, all rightly or wrongly pay per view level fighters due to their popularity.
The amount of these type of fighters Britain has given the world is more per population that America has produced.
Like you said, 80,000 went to see Froch v Groves. What American fighter has drawn a crowd of 80,000 in America where it has a much higher available audience?
What is the highest attendance fight involving two Americans?
Think you might be a bit loose lipped here, especially with the numbers, but thats never stopped you in the past. A cursory look through world title fights over the last 50 years will show the american domination. I am also dissapointed that you never mentioned Joe Bugner in your list of british fighters, 27 rounds with Ali and 12 with Joe Frazier! Statto you are not!
Joe Bugner was never a world champion?
Also, yeah America may have had more world champions but how many can draw crowds of 50,000 and 80,000? I have mentioned British fighters who can and shown how tiny the entire British population is compared to America.
Obviously my point being that we produce bigger stars in boxing. Had Calzaghe, Naz, Hatton and Lewis have been American they'd have been bigger than Floyd. America struggles to make friends with the rest of the world and is self obsessed.
My point about Joe Bugner was meant to be an injection of humour !!!
Your point about America struggling to make friends with the rest of the world is ridiculous. The most famous and popular man on the planet is an american ex boxer! Now lets see if you can guess who that is? The most famous and popular dead person on the planet? Also an american born in Tupelo Mississipi, and there is a queue of americans behind those two who are loved and admired all over the world, apart from in ISIS land! The americans have dominated professional boxing for years, because they are risk-takers and not sponsored by corrupt governments and dodgy officials as they are in all points east. Rant over.
