Tyson at welterweight.

If you magically turned SRL into a full sized heavyweight he would never lose 5 seconds of any round he ever fought.

Re: Tyson at welterweight.

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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

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Originally Posted by ross

We are being asked to imagine a scaled down version of Tyson. If he was at heavy, very fast, hard to hit, powerfull and takes a good shot from men 30lb heavier than him, the biggest hardest hitting men in boxing, you have to imagine he has these same attributes at welter where he is fighting men of equal weight and not of 3 or 4 weights above.

Mike was a heavyweight smaller than the size of old heavyweights dealing with modern size heavies. There hasnt been a shorter world heavy weight champ.

Its a hypothetical question but suddenly Mike would lose all his great attributes?

Like I said, the size difference Mike was dealing with, as in weight, is like Pacquaio and mayweather fighting at super middle. Are their skills that much that they could dominate over that much bigger men?

At welter he may be short but he was at heavy, only difference is his opponents are now the same weight and cant hold and lean in with their strength advantage.

If you don't like imaginary hypothetical questions dont look.

You simply aren 't thinking. So Tyson fought men 30lbs heavier. Okay, Tyson was 218-220 in shape. That means he was fighting people with around 13% body size advantage. PAC and Floyd have already moved up a greater percentage of body size. And they did that to fight guys far far far more skilled. Lennox Lewis might be able to beat any heavy ever. And he made Mike look useless. Now make LL 122lbs and put him in with Morales, what happens is Morales beats the dog snot out of him because the smaller guys are light years better. The big guys best skill is being big, all other skills follow off of that. Make Tyson 147 and he'd be 5 foot tall. He wouldn't be trying to get by a slow clumsy heavyweights reach, he'd be trying to get past the reach of a fast on balance skilled fighter. Tyson was what he was, a physical phenomenon taking advantage of oafs. All things equal the superior skill of smaller fighters verses bigger fighters if you make the bigger guy smaller the skills win out. A big mans advantage is size. You can't take size away and seriously think they still have the advantage, they just aren't as good. Watch a heavyweight fight, any heavyweight fight. And then watch a welterweight fight, any welterweight fight. The skills are not even comparable.

I probably repeated myself about four times because it's late and the argument lacks reason.

Heavyweights fight at their natural weight. Mike Tyson COULD have moved down to cruiser using todays "suppliments". He weighed just 215lb when he wiped out Holmes!

Manny and Floyd have mived up to their more natural weights. Much closer to what they walk around at, just like Mike was at heavy:rolleyes:

Mike Tyson was fighting at the weight he walked around at. Could Canelo be competitive at light heavy?

As for the difference in skils between heavy and welter. Show me a fighter like Tyson who can stand in punching range and not get hit just using head movement.

Re: Tyson at welterweight.

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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

The myth of Tyson is far far far far far greater than the fighter was. He had amazing physical abilities but not only was he a nutcase while his knowledge of the sport was superb his ring smarts were practically non-existent. He was a robot. They called out numbered combinations and he followed orders.

If he were a welterweight he still would have great physical gifts but he'd be facing technically superior boxers that would expose his limitations mentally.

Huh? Cus's numeric system was genius and it was even more genius when you had a guy built the way Tyson was with a borderline psychopath brain makeup which was most likely learned. Unlike most fighters Tyson could take instructions and apply them in real time and execute that numbering system in just about any sequence you could come up with. Tyson was robotic in the way that he could memorize those sequences.

If you could transfer all of his qualities as a fighter to welterweight, what you would have in my opinion would be an unholy cross breed between Barbados Joe and Sam Langford. A killing machine.

Re: Tyson at welterweight.

Watch the video below. Mike cutting the ring faster than Golovkin, he looks far more fluid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zABkx72sR4