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I'm no Obama fan. I think he's done a rubbish job as prez. I just think he's the least worst guy for the job from a possible list of shit candidates and he's choosing the least worst options in this situation from a possible list of shit options. On some issues, like financial system reform, he's picking in a range from really bad to absolute worst options.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I'm not sure how interested you are but here's a recent documentary from 22th september about the war in Syria! They post this "crap" or nothing i really watch on a news site I'm on! So i just pass it on you those who interested!
This is 1 out of 5 youtube clips.
Ghosts of Aleppo (Part 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwSnyQYy5SE
Proving my point AGAIN...Mitt Romney recognized the danger Russia posed, he recognized the danger of pulling troops out of Iraq early (which IS what Obama did as evidenced by his own words: Obama said in Hollywood, Florida on Nov. 4, 2012. “I said I'd end the war in Iraq. I ended it.” He repeated the same words the next day in Madison, Wisconsin, and Columbus, Ohio.), and it comes as no surprise to ME, but maybe to you it might President Obama misses roughly 60% of his daily intelligence briefings....60%......he's not even there HALF THE TIME! Yet he's able to push blame off on "the intelligence community" for not knowing how big of a threat ISIS would be. Knowing that he skips out on 60% of those intelligence briefings are you more likely to believe Obama or the people who only focus on intelligence gathering?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingI'm no Obama fan. I think he's done a rubbish job as prez. I just think he's the least worst guy for the job from a possible list of shit candidates and he's choosing the least worst options in this situation from a possible list of shit options. On some issues, like financial system reform, he's picking in a range from really bad to absolute worst options.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
President Obama was, is, and will continue to be out of his element as President of the United States of America. If it is racist to say as much go ahead and call me racist, I seriously don't give a rats rosey red rear about it. If it's racist to hate what Eric Holder did as Attorney General then sign my ass up for that too because if that is in general or specifically "How Black people run things" I want no part of it because those policies have failed and continue to fail America and this country is better than that although you are highly unlikely to believe that given your political stance.
I hate the politics in all these talks and I haven't got much politics in me, just simple right and wrong, which sadly have been overwhelmed by much politics ever since... I'd just say go get 'em headhunters whereever they are and whoever they may be. You gotta teach 'em sonafaguns that it ain't right chopping off people's innocent people's heads just trying to drive their point...
The pantomime in Washington is just there to fool the rubes that there's some kind of political debate or differing philosophies that give voters alternatives to vote for. In reality the ship of state sails majestically on its course whoever is on the bridge. If Obama had sent troops into Ukraine or armed them or whatever Ronmey would have said oooh too reckless, risking nuclear war for no strategic advantage. Russia isn't a "danger" to the United States. They're a regional power in Asia and eastern Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongProving my point AGAIN...Mitt Romney recognized the danger Russia posed, he recognized the danger of pulling troops out of Iraq early (which IS what Obama did as evidenced by his own words: Obama said in Hollywood, Florida on Nov. 4, 2012. “I said I'd end the war in Iraq. I ended it.” He repeated the same words the next day in Madison, Wisconsin, and Columbus, Ohio.), and it comes as no surprise to ME, but maybe to you it might President Obama misses roughly 60% of his daily intelligence briefings....60%......he's not even there HALF THE TIME! Yet he's able to push blame off on "the intelligence community" for not knowing how big of a threat ISIS would be. Knowing that he skips out on 60% of those intelligence briefings are you more likely to believe Obama or the people who only focus on intelligence gathering?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingI'm no Obama fan. I think he's done a rubbish job as prez. I just think he's the least worst guy for the job from a possible list of shit candidates and he's choosing the least worst options in this situation from a possible list of shit options. On some issues, like financial system reform, he's picking in a range from really bad to absolute worst options.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
President Obama was, is, and will continue to be out of his element as President of the United States of America. If it is racist to say as much go ahead and call me racist, I seriously don't give a rats rosey red rear about it. If it's racist to hate what Eric Holder did as Attorney General then sign my ass up for that too because if that is in general or specifically "How Black people run things" I want no part of it because those policies have failed and continue to fail America and this country is better than that although you are highly unlikely to believe that given your political stance.
Caliming that he would have kept troops in Iraq is just to make himself sound different to Obama while he's trying to get elected. In reality, ;like I already explained to you, Bush had agreed a timetable to withdraw all American troops and refused to renegotiate it. That's the third time I've explained that to you in a week. You need to clear some shelf space and keep that fact on the shelf for at least a week at a time before it goes off the back again.
And Obama doesn't miss intelligence briefings. He just reads them instead of being briefed sixty percent of the time. Like probably every other prez.
#1 If President Obama is going to pat himself on the back for as he put it "ending the war in Iraq" then I'm sorry if it upsets you Kirkland he accepted ownership of withdrawing the troops.
#2 There was a Status of Forces Agreement that was put in place by George W. Bush and the time of the lapse of that agreement was 12/31/2011 (Obama started his first term 1/20/09 ) but Secretary of Defense Robert Gates said he believed a force of "perhaps several tens of thousands of American troops" would remain even after that as a residual force. (fyi Sec. Gates also served under Obama until July 1, 2011)
#3 "Obama doesn't miss intelligence briefings"...oh really? You have such an intimate knowledge of his schedule. "Like probably every other prez" ...again such great knowledge....no FACTS OR DATA to back up your accusations.
#4 If you're going to blame the "intelligence community" for mistakes then I'm guessing it's probably best to actually show up to a meeting more than half the time and see if he can't iron out the kinks in the intelligence community of which he knows so much he doesn't have to attend their briefings.
#5 President Obama had accurate intelligence on ISIS provided to him before the 2012 election and yet here we are. And it's probably likely that Obama doesn't attend those briefings so he can pass the blame when he fouls up and misses something important like ooooh I don't know being able to locate and save James Foley.
Oh and Kirkland you want some FACTS & DATA?
http://www.armed-services.senate.gov...n_02-11-14.pdf
Page 9 at the bottom reads and I quote: "Al-Qa'ida in Iraq (AQI), also known as Islamic State of Iraq and Levant (ISIL): AQI/ISIL probably will attempt to take territory in Iraq and Syria to exhibit its strength in 2014, as demonstrated recently in Ramadi and Fallujah, and the group's ability to concurrently maintain multiple safe havens in Syria."
.....but I mean President Obama DOES read those things right? I mean you of all people know that, you're 100% certain about it aren't you?
Theres two things that run through the coutries that have been bombed. Oil and are without a Rothschild bank. ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlI4YIZRjtA#t=56
...yyyyyyeah so there's that
You know after all is said and done I'm not sure what the rest of the world should do. To me these air strikes most likely kill more innocent people then anything else. In addition, we don't know which rebel group we are going to arm but we are going to arm someone is not a sound policy.
Doing nothing is not sound either is it?
Or how about just nuking the area in order to stop what is sure to be another 100 years of this perpetual war?
Some real shifting moral foundations on this one. Our sterilized version of barbarianism verses their primitive one.
The irony here is that this new threat are most likely part of the 500,000 Republican guard that the West allowed to melt back into society while they were at the gates of Bagdad. They would have been all Sunni's. Then we went and put in the puppet Shia government.
Damn maybe its based on micro economics to ensure our involvement in a place with that much oil.
Yes, but with President Obama in charge we won't hear ANYTHING about innocent civilians being collateral damage with these air strikes and neither will the left protest these "military actions" as having A) Not been voted on by Congress or B ) "Blood for oil"....the media whips up the outrage and they aren't going to put the crosshairs on Obama, he's too important to criticize.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Yeah pretty much. I'd like to see the United States and other Allies not give 1 thin dime to Saudi Arabia, Iraq, or any other Middle Eastern nation which treats women and minorities (namely religious minorities) so poorly.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
The West has 21st Century reasoning...the Islamofascists are behind the times in that aspect roughly 600 years or so. There's your big problem.
Wow Megyn is so gorgeous,smart too,love to see her with natural black hair. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
George Bush negotiated an agreement with the Iraqis that meant all US troops had to be out of the country by 2011. The Iraqis refused to renegotiate the agreement as they didn't want US troops to remain in Iraq. Obama had no choice in the matter because the Iraqi government refused to renegotiate the agreement they made with Bush.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
And even if troops had remained, what difference would it have made? They're not going to stop ISIS coming into Iraq and they're not going to be used to fight ISIS when they do come into Iraq.
And for this latest intelligence briefing nonsense:
Every day, the president receives a Presidential Daily Brief (PDB), a highly secret intelligence document. The right-wing criticisms are citing a four-page report from the conservative Government Accountability Institute (GAI), which alleges that Obama has only attended a daily briefing on the PDB on 41.26 percent of the days from the start of his second term (January 20, 2013) through September 29, 2014. Conservatives are claiming that this shows that Obama has "missed" nearly 60 percent of his briefings and that is why he was not sufficiently aware of the spread of the Islamic State.
This is not the first time GAI's reports on this topic have been used to mislead. In 2012, Karl Rove's American Crossroads group cited GAI to make the same allegation about President Obama and his briefings in his first term. The right-wing media also picked up the attack.
But as the Washington Post reported then, Obama structured his White House operation so that he reads his PDB every day "but he does not always require an in-person briefing every day," so "it is specious to say he has 'skipped' a meeting that was not actually scheduled." The Post also revealed that Obama sometimes meets with intelligence briefers but that those meetings are not listed in his official schedule as a PDB, compromising the data set upon which GAI relies.
Thomas S. Blanton, director of George Washington University's National Security Archive, told the Post that there have been "lots of variation" in the patterns of how presidents have received their briefings, varying from an oral report for George W. Bush to a written memo for Richard Nixon and a one-on-one meeting between Jimmy Carter and his national security adviser.
Notably, a CIA history of the PDB notes that Ronald Reagan almost never received oral briefings on the PDB with CIA personnel and that "unlike Carter, Reagan almost never wrote comments or question on the PDB." The Post concluded that under the standards of the GAI report, "Ronald Reagan skipped his intelligence briefings 99 percent of the time."