Re: Who will be remembered as the greater fighter: Bernard Hopkins or Floyd Mayweathe
IMO totally a subjective question, though fun to debate.
IMO Mayweather could be known as the most talented fighter of his era.
Hopkins will be known as the timeless wonder and the keeper of the MW title for eons.
Re: Who will be remembered as the greater fighter: Bernard Hopkins or Floyd Mayweathe
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if Floyd is still beating up grown men who can be his kids on a championship level in 10 years then he can make a case for how good he is, until then
Ok well I guess by that criteria, Bernard Hopkins is the greatest fighter of all time, because there's no other fighter in history who has been so good at that age.
it's not true cause Foreman and Holyfield both beat up relevant guys much younger than him, but that's not the only thing, and not the only credential that B-Hop has that outshines Mayweathers
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it's not true cause Foreman and Holyfield both beat up relevant guys much younger than him, but that's not the only thing, and not the only credential that B-Hop has that outshines Mayweathers
Thats right, he also has a more impressive rap sheet than Floyd.
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You conveniently leave out Pavlik, who was one of the most feared fighters at the time. You also fail to mention P4P king Roy Jones Jr, Joe Calzaghe and Kovalev who in my opinion are better P4P then anyone Floyd has fought. Im not argueing who was better I believe its Floyd but I cant see how anyone can think Floyd fought better opposition
Kovalev better p4p than anyone Floyd has fought? Kovalev isn't even officially the #1 in his division right now, let alone a p4p great...
I didnt say he was a P4P great I just think he marks for Hopkins a better opponent then anyone Floyd has faced. Kov was likely a stone heavier than Hopkins on the night, a stellar amateur career and one of the most feared punchers. As someone mentioned earlier Hopkins fighting Kov is a similar ask to having Floyd fight GGG, a fight that I could never see Floyd taking. And I think anyone with some sense knows Kov is the best light heavyweight around
Re: Who will be remembered as the greater fighter: Bernard Hopkins or Floyd Mayweathe
Legacy aside if they fought at prime and at the same weight 'imaginary I know' I recon Floyd would win even though he'd have sore balls and few cuts above the eyes he'd come out of 12 as the greater fighter.
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Legacy aside if they fought at prime and at the same weight 'imaginary I know' I recon Floyd would win even though he'd have sore balls and few cuts above the eyes he'd come out of 12 as the greater fighter.
Klitschko due do size alone would probably handle Ali, doesn't make him a greater fighter, talent is only a part of what makes a fighter great, you can have all the talent in the world, but it's what you do with it that defines your legacy, who has gone above and beyond with the abilities they possess? B-Hop, there's a reason no one ever questions his run at either division, Floyd on the other hand...
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I didnt say he was a P4P great I just think he marks for Hopkins a better opponent then anyone Floyd has faced. Kov was likely a stone heavier than Hopkins on the night, a stellar amateur career and one of the most feared punchers. As someone mentioned earlier Hopkins fighting Kov is a similar ask to having Floyd fight GGG, a fight that I could never see Floyd taking. And I think anyone with some sense knows Kov is the best light heavyweight around
Yeah but Floyd has fought legit p4p greats, why does Kovalev constitute a better opponent than anyone Floyd has faced? Because he hits hard? A lot of guys hit hard. Canelo had more weight on Floyd on fight night than Kovalev had on Bhop, and Canelo was also the undisputed #1 at 154.
Also, someone please explain to me how Hopkins fighting Kovalev, a guy in the same fucking weight division as him and had 6-7 pounds on him on fight night is equal to Floyd fighting GGG, a guy who is TWO weight classes above him? Here's a tidbit: on the night of Golovkin's last fight, he weighed 173lbs. On the night of Floyd's last fight, he weighed 147. So someone please tell me how you can possibly equate those two?
Some people say the dumbest shit on these boards, man... yikes ;D
Re: Who will be remembered as the greater fighter: Bernard Hopkins or Floyd Mayweathe
PBF stands to go into the history books with questioning at least the pac fight.
Hop has faced basically everyone he should've faced, win lose or draw, sooner or later.
Questioning who retired undefeated, may not matter if so..
Some may ask the question: Paul Williams & Margarito called out PBF, why didn't PBF answer?
He claimed to give a poll (for the fans to choose); Khan or Maidana (Khan won) PBF said (F) the fans...and chose who he wanted, Maidana.
Even though PBF fought Canelo when he hit 40 plus fights old...I remember PBF called out Canelo-when he was barely 25 fights old...he knew/felt their styles meshed and favored him.
Hop would even admit PBF is way more talented, but will history even care about it? Not as long as there are Floyd haters...go Haters!;D
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Legacy aside if they fought at prime and at the same weight 'imaginary I know' I recon Floyd would win even though he'd have sore balls and few cuts above the eyes he'd come out of 12 as the greater fighter.
Klitschko due do size alone would probably handle Ali, doesn't make him a greater fighter, talent is only a part of what makes a fighter great, you can have all the talent in the world, but it's what you do with it that defines your legacy, who has gone above and beyond with the abilities they possess? B-Hop, there's a reason no one ever questions his run at either division, Floyd on the other hand...
True; theres two different ways to look at 'greatest fighter' put em both in the ring at the same weight in their prime see who comes out best.
Then as the title suggested by having the words 'who will be remembered' in there is the other way of looking at it;
But thats the harder road to summarize with so many variations, including totally different opponents and differing depth of talent in each weight.
Intent on ones own legacy is an interesting variant too.
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Legacy aside if they fought at prime and at the same weight 'imaginary I know' I recon Floyd would win even though he'd have sore balls and few cuts above the eyes he'd come out of 12 as the greater fighter.
Klitschko due do size alone would probably handle Ali, doesn't make him a greater fighter, talent is only a part of what makes a fighter great, you can have all the talent in the world, but it's what you do with it that defines your legacy, who has gone above and beyond with the abilities they possess? B-Hop, there's a reason no one ever questions his run at either division, Floyd on the other hand...
True; theres two different ways to look at 'greatest fighter' put em both in the ring at the same weight in their prime see who comes out best.
Then as the title suggested by having the words 'who will be remembered' in there is the other way of looking at it;
But thats the harder road to summarize with so many variations, including totally different opponents and differing depth of talent in each weight.
Intent on ones own legacy is an interesting variant too.
true, but Mayweather was blessed to have not one but TWO stacked divisions where he could have stacked his resume, yet he chose to fight guys like Ortiz, Maidana, Guerrero
he could have taken on Pacquiao, Garcia, Khan, Bradley, Kirkland, Trout, Lara, etc.
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Legacy aside if they fought at prime and at the same weight 'imaginary I know' I recon Floyd would win even though he'd have sore balls and few cuts above the eyes he'd come out of 12 as the greater fighter.
Klitschko due do size alone would probably handle Ali, doesn't make him a greater fighter, talent is only a part of what makes a fighter great, you can have all the talent in the world, but it's what you do with it that defines your legacy, who has gone above and beyond with the abilities they possess? B-Hop, there's a reason no one ever questions his run at either division, Floyd on the other hand...
True; theres two different ways to look at 'greatest fighter' put em both in the ring at the same weight in their prime see who comes out best.
Then as the title suggested by having the words 'who will be remembered' in there is the other way of looking at it;
But thats the harder road to summarize with so many variations, including totally different opponents and differing depth of talent in each weight.
Intent on ones own legacy is an interesting variant too.
true, but Mayweather was blessed to have not one but TWO stacked divisions where he could have stacked his resume, yet he chose to fight guys like Ortiz, Maidana, Guerrero
he could have taken on Pacquiao, Garcia, Khan, Bradley, Kirkland, Trout, Lara, etc.
lets take the floyd hating down a notch
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Legacy aside if they fought at prime and at the same weight 'imaginary I know' I recon Floyd would win even though he'd have sore balls and few cuts above the eyes he'd come out of 12 as the greater fighter.
Klitschko due do size alone would probably handle Ali, doesn't make him a greater fighter, talent is only a part of what makes a fighter great, you can have all the talent in the world, but it's what you do with it that defines your legacy, who has gone above and beyond with the abilities they possess? B-Hop, there's a reason no one ever questions his run at either division, Floyd on the other hand...
ali would easily beat wlad despite the size difference
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Some may ask the question: Paul Williams & Margarito called out PBF, why didn't PBF answer?
He claimed to give a poll (for the fans to choose); Khan or Maidana (Khan won) PBF said (F) the fans...and chose who he wanted, Maidana.
Even though PBF fought Canelo when he hit 40 plus fights old...I remember PBF called out Canelo-when he was barely 25 fights old...he knew/felt their styles meshed and favored him.
Yeah but there are reasons for all of those fights not happening, reasons that people forget or want to ignore.
And of course in Khan's case, he wanted the Khan fight and got skewered - and rightfully so - by boxing fans for taking an easy opponent.
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I didnt say he was a P4P great I just think he marks for Hopkins a better opponent then anyone Floyd has faced. Kov was likely a stone heavier than Hopkins on the night, a stellar amateur career and one of the most feared punchers. As someone mentioned earlier Hopkins fighting Kov is a similar ask to having Floyd fight GGG, a fight that I could never see Floyd taking. And I think anyone with some sense knows Kov is the best light heavyweight around
Yeah but Floyd has fought legit p4p greats, why does Kovalev constitute a better opponent than anyone Floyd has faced? Because he hits hard? A lot of guys hit hard. Canelo had more weight on Floyd on fight night than Kovalev had on Bhop, and Canelo was also the undisputed #1 at 154.
Also, someone please explain to me how Hopkins fighting Kovalev, a guy in the same fucking weight division as him and had 6-7 pounds on him on fight night is equal to Floyd fighting GGG, a guy who is TWO weight classes above him? Here's a tidbit: on the night of Golovkin's last fight, he weighed 173lbs. On the night of Floyd's last fight, he weighed 147. So someone please tell me how you can possibly equate those two?
Some people say the dumbest shit on these boards, man... yikes ;D
who are the legit P4P greats? A past it De La Hoya? A shot Mosely? A thrice beaten Cotto? All future P4P greats but certainly not dangerous fighters at the time they fought Floyd. Ive already explained why Kov is more dangerous then anyone Floyds faced.
A. He had a stellar amateur career and is a brilliant boxing technician.
B. He is one of the hardest hitters P4P
C. He is in his prime.
D. Hes a bigger man.
Most of Floyds opponents have some of the above but I cant find any where all is applicable.
Also I didnt know there was 2 weight classes between Light middle and middleweight???but I guess Im just a forum poster who says the dumbest shit
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Legacy aside if they fought at prime and at the same weight 'imaginary I know' I recon Floyd would win even though he'd have sore balls and few cuts above the eyes he'd come out of 12 as the greater fighter.
Klitschko due do size alone would probably handle Ali, doesn't make him a greater fighter, talent is only a part of what makes a fighter great, you can have all the talent in the world, but it's what you do with it that defines your legacy, who has gone above and beyond with the abilities they possess? B-Hop, there's a reason no one ever questions his run at either division, Floyd on the other hand...
True; theres two different ways to look at 'greatest fighter' put em both in the ring at the same weight in their prime see who comes out best.
Then as the title suggested by having the words 'who will be remembered' in there is the other way of looking at it;
But thats the harder road to summarize with so many variations, including totally different opponents and differing depth of talent in each weight.
Intent on ones own legacy is an interesting variant too.
true, but Mayweather was blessed to have not one but TWO stacked divisions where he could have stacked his resume, yet he chose to fight guys like Ortiz, Maidana, Guerrero
he could have taken on Pacquiao, Garcia, Khan, Bradley, Kirkland, Trout, Lara, etc.
lets take the floyd hating down a notch
no hating, just stating facts, 8 out of 10 times he'll fight someone safe rather than a real challenge, IMO the two times where he really took a risk was Canelo and Cotto, everything else has pretty much safe, he's constantly picked the less meaningful fight despite having at one point two stacked divisions at his disposal
