Re: Who is the best and worst of britains 12 world champions?
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I think Brook would beat Pacquiao now, he's probably my pick, but impossible to say really. I do think you have to put a lot of stock in Fury having the best win and being the only recognized champ though, that's a solid argument. As overall talents, Lennox Lewis or Evander Holyfield weren't half as good as Zab Judah. It's never fair to rate HW's next to smaller guys on skill/athleticism alone.
Are you fuckng mental!
Zab Judah has nothing on Holyfield or Lewis!!
He is still most well known for that dance against Tszyu!
Jeezus! I cant believe some of the comments in here:-\
Talent doesnt just mean being able to punch fast;D
Being tough is a talent. Over coming other fighters attributes is a talent blah blah blah I could go on. Those who know what they are talking about will know what I mean and that Zab being twice as good as Lewis and Holyfield is a ridiculous statement!
I was pretty well supporting your arguement, my point was that it isn't fair to compare HW's with smaller men as they are always more "talented". Ofc Judah wasn't half as great as those guys, but he was more physically gifted and skilled, as virtually any good welterweight is, it was just a random example and I'm on a bender, pshhhaaahh Ross.
Re: Who is the best and worst of britains 12 world champions?
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I think Brook would beat Pacquiao now, he's probably my pick, but impossible to say really. I do think you have to put a lot of stock in Fury having the best win and being the only recognized champ though, that's a solid argument. As overall talents, Lennox Lewis or Evander Holyfield weren't half as good as Zab Judah. It's never fair to rate HW's next to smaller guys on skill/athleticism alone.
Are you fuckng mental!
Zab Judah has nothing on Holyfield or Lewis!!
He is still most well known for that dance against Tszyu!
Jeezus! I cant believe some of the comments in here:-\
Talent doesnt just mean being able to punch fast;D
Being tough is a talent. Over coming other fighters attributes is a talent blah blah blah I could go on. Those who know what they are talking about will know what I mean and that Zab being twice as good as Lewis and Holyfield is a ridiculous statement!
I was pretty well supporting your arguement, my point was that it isn't fair to compare HW's with smaller men as they are always more "talented". Ofc Judah wasn't half as great as those guys, but he was more physically gifted and skilled, as virtually any good welterweight is, it was just a random example and I'm on a bender, pshhhaaahh Ross.
Dont post and drink.
Im drinking but at home waiting for my missus to get her ass in gear!
Re: Who is the best and worst of britains 12 world champions?
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p4pking
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p4pking
I think Brook would beat Pacquiao now, he's probably my pick, but impossible to say really. I do think you have to put a lot of stock in Fury having the best win and being the only recognized champ though, that's a solid argument. As overall talents, Lennox Lewis or Evander Holyfield weren't half as good as Zab Judah. It's never fair to rate HW's next to smaller guys on skill/athleticism alone.
Are you fuckng mental!
Zab Judah has nothing on Holyfield or Lewis!!
He is still most well known for that dance against Tszyu!
Jeezus! I cant believe some of the comments in here:-\
Talent doesnt just mean being able to punch fast;D
Being tough is a talent. Over coming other fighters attributes is a talent blah blah blah I could go on. Those who know what they are talking about will know what I mean and that Zab being twice as good as Lewis and Holyfield is a ridiculous statement!
I was pretty well supporting your arguement, my point was that it isn't fair to compare HW's with smaller men as they are always more "talented". Ofc Judah wasn't half as great as those guys, but he was more physically gifted and skilled, as virtually any good welterweight is, it was just a random example and I'm on a bender, pshhhaaahh Ross.
Dont post and drink.
Im drinking but at home waiting for my missus to get her ass in gear!
It wasn't anything outlandish I said, just you overreacting as usual. Drink more and post, maybe you'd be more fun:p
Re: Who is the best and worst of britains 12 world champions?
Zab is mediocre that is all.....
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If he had been exactly the same fighter only 6'6 and 230 pounds, do you think he would have been? It just doesn't work. I was in favour of Fury getting the nod for this reason, surely that shouldn't garner your criticism ;D
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If he had been exactly the same fighter only 6'6 and 230 pounds, do you think he would have been? It just doesn't work. I was in favour of Fury getting the nod for this reason, surely that shouldn't garner your criticism ;D
Yes he has skills.
Look at Wach! He has size and steroids and still cant do fuck all!
Tyson has excellent skills, stamina, movement and roughhousing old man tricks. Hes not just big like you would all like to think to try and discredit him.
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Smith doesn't seem to get the love he deserves
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Flanagan is the most underrated. His two round destruction of Magdaleno was arguably the most impressive looking performance last year. He looked superb.
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Smith doesn't seem to get the love he deserves
I think Smith will get better as he fights better opposition as he always seems just to do enough to win and looks like he can go up through the gears if he needs to.
I know hes a world champion but Frank Warren is ruining his career. Look at the awful names on his rec in 22 fights. Hes barely fought a European level fighter let alone world level.
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If he had been exactly the same fighter only 6'6 and 230 pounds, do you think he would have been? It just doesn't work. I was in favour of Fury getting the nod for this reason, surely that shouldn't garner your criticism ;D
Yes he has skills.
Look at Wach! He has size and steroids and still cant do fuck all!
Tyson has excellent skills, stamina, movement and roughhousing old man tricks. Hes not just big like you would all like to think to try and discredit him.
Ross you have lost it mate. p4pking is not trying to discredit the average but freakishly big underpowered chinny Tyson Fury at all.
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p4pking
If he had been exactly the same fighter only 6'6 and 230 pounds, do you think he would have been? It just doesn't work. I was in favour of Fury getting the nod for this reason, surely that shouldn't garner your criticism ;D
Yes he has skills.
Look at Wach! He has size and steroids and still cant do fuck all!
Tyson has excellent skills, stamina, movement and roughhousing old man tricks. Hes not just big like you would all like to think to try and discredit him.
Ross you have lost it mate. p4pking is not trying to discredit the average but freakishly big underpowered chinny Tyson Fury at all.
Ok, by saying making him 3" shorter that he wouldnt have the same success is not degrading his skills?
Tyson didnt beat Wlad by being big. He beat him with movement exactly like I said he would. Wlad also didnt get old. His feet were quick but he didnt want to get in punching range and combined with Tysons speed and movement it gave Wlad no chance and ended up looking pretty much as I said it would like Clay v Liston.
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Ross - of course Fury wouldnt be as good if he was 3 inches shorter. Thats not degrading at all its just common sense. A heavyweight will never match a welterweight in terms of skill. Hes carrying much more weight and will never move as fluently or as gracefully. Just like a welter is never going to have the punching power of a heavy or have to worry about every opponent having the power to hurt you.
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Fury threw enough to win the round to beat Wlad but the former champions output was very low. Wlad looked confused and bewildered in the fight as if his mind was on something else. It was a bad performance by Wlad but so glad Fury won the title.
I hope the rematch is in UK.
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If he had been exactly the same fighter only 6'6 and 230 pounds, do you think he would have been? It just doesn't work. I was in favour of Fury getting the nod for this reason, surely that shouldn't garner your criticism ;D
Yes he has skills.
Look at Wach! He has size and steroids and still cant do fuck all!
Tyson has excellent skills, stamina, movement and roughhousing old man tricks. Hes not just big like you would all like to think to try and discredit him.
Ross you have lost it mate. p4pking is not trying to discredit the average but freakishly big underpowered chinny Tyson Fury at all.
Ok, by saying making him 3" shorter that he wouldnt have the same success is not degrading his skills?
Tyson didnt beat Wlad by being big. He beat him with movement exactly like I said he would. Wlad also didnt get old. His feet were quick but he didnt want to get in punching range and combined with Tysons speed and movement it gave Wlad no chance and ended up looking pretty much as I said it would like Clay v Liston.
Yeah, except Clay threw more punches in 1 round than Fury and Wlad combined in the whole fight! 😏
Fury had a more dangerous opponent in front of him.
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Ross - of course Fury wouldnt be as good if he was 3 inches shorter. Thats not degrading at all its just common sense. A heavyweight will never match a welterweight in terms of skill. Hes carrying much more weight and will never move as fluently or as gracefully. Just like a welter is never going to have the punching power of a heavy or have to worry about every opponent having the power to hurt you.
Why? What 6,6" heavies are there that have Furys other attributes? Like movement, speed, combination punching and stamina?:rolleyes:
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Fury threw enough to win the round to beat Wlad but the former champions output was very low. Wlad looked confused and bewildered in the fight as if his mind was on something else. It was a bad performance by Wlad but so glad Fury won the title.
I hope the rematch is in UK.
His mind was on not getting caught amd bewildered is right. Hes never faced anyone who can move like Tyson. Only when he knew the clock was runnng down in the 12th did he start throwing caution to the wind.
