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I have only watched it once at about 5am with no sleep, I can't believe how controversial the decision has become, I'm gunna have to watch it again with the sound off and see if I come up any different
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Andre Ward vs. Sergey Kovalev - CompuBox Punch Stats - Boxing News
punchstats, 10 more landed for kovalev
ward outlanded kovalev in 6 of the rounds, kovalev outlanded in the other 6.
There were 7 rounds where there was a difference of only 2(some only 1) landed puches between the two of them
Kovalev landed more power punches, ward lands more jabs..
Depending on how much stock you put in these stats I think you can spin it either way, I think the fight was pretty much a draw but the knockdown decided it in kovalevs favour by one point but I don't think there can be big complaints about ward winning, it's a shame kovalev losses all the belts in such a close manner but that's the game I guess :S. I don't really consider either one a loser here, kovalev looked great and fought against one of the best out there, ward started badly and came back really well. Kovalev has a rematch option I believe so I think it's mostly irrelevant who won or lost here and hopefully they do it again and we get a clearer result.
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Very much a tale of two fights in some respects with Ward clawing his way back in after being hurt couple time early. People remember what you've 'done for them lately'. Break the round into minutes or may sound odd by take fights like this if you do a rewatch and try to watch rounds out of order, or 12 to 1 ;D.
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I just watched it for the 8th time and I think Ward was screwed out of a stoppage victory, I hope his Kovalevs family don't sue the Nevada athletic commission if he slips into a coma in the next few days, horrible negligence by Robert Byrd and John David Jackson. 118-109 Ward, there was no need for the fight to continue after he survived that flash knockdown.
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I just watched it for the 8th time and I think Ward was screwed out of a stoppage victory, I hope his Kovalevs family don't sue the Nevada athletic commission if he slips into a coma in the next few days, horrible negligence by Robert Byrd and John David Jackson. 118-109 Ward, there was no need for the fight to continue after he survived that flash knockdown.
;D;D;D
Would've been 120, were it not for that flash knockdown in the 2nd.
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Someone resorted to lifting their leg to try to stop body punches. People can act like they didn't matter but the evidence disagrees
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It was a close fight. Kovalev won the first half and Ward won the second half. In a close fight you have to give it to the man who gets the KD point. Most are saying how great they fought and what a great fight it was, but I disagree. I thought both fighters showed serious limitations in how they fought. Ward once again resorted to clinching and fouling the show up and Kovalev seemed to completely switch off at times. For the biggest fight of his life he was almost too relaxed about it all and in the process Ward outworked him by doing little more than wrestling and throwing the odd punch or two while in close. I do not see the best two P4P fighters in Ward or Kovalev. I thought Kov edged it, but I am a bit disappointed in his showing. I expected more from him.
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Yes and 90% of fans as I've been reading countless comments on articles about the fight.Only here have I seen such a handful of people being defiant and devil's advocate with crazy scores like 8-4 Ward and so on.6-6 was best case scenario for Ward. He was being outlanded in many rounds by that Kovalev jab alone. Ward staged a gutsy and courageous comeback, but it simply was not enough. He did no significant damage to his opponent and was being out thrown and out landed throughout the fight.
Look at the punch stats. It shows how close a fight it was.
As for 90% of fans scoring it for Kov. Come on. Everyone knows the majority of boxing fans cant score fights for shit.
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Yes and 90% of fans as I've been reading countless comments on articles about the fight.Only here have I seen such a handful of people being defiant and devil's advocate with crazy scores like 8-4 Ward and so on.6-6 was best case scenario for Ward. He was being outlanded in many rounds by that Kovalev jab alone. Ward staged a gutsy and courageous comeback, but it simply was not enough. He did no significant damage to his opponent and was being out thrown and out landed throughout the fight.
Look at the punch stats. It shows how close a fight it was.
As for 90% of fans scoring it for Kov. Come on. Everyone knows the majority of boxing fans cant score fights for shit.
None of us can accurately judge a fight from our couch, getting every angle and every reply to help us.
Judges are judges for a reason.
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Yes and 90% of fans as I've been reading countless comments on articles about the fight.Only here have I seen such a handful of people being defiant and devil's advocate with crazy scores like 8-4 Ward and so on.6-6 was best case scenario for Ward. He was being outlanded in many rounds by that Kovalev jab alone. Ward staged a gutsy and courageous comeback, but it simply was not enough. He did no significant damage to his opponent and was being out thrown and out landed throughout the fight.
Look at the punch stats. It shows how close a fight it was.
As for 90% of fans scoring it for Kov. Come on. Everyone knows the majority of boxing fans cant score fights for shit.
None of us can accurately judge a fight from our couch, getting every angle and every reply to help us.
Judges are judges for a reason.
Judge have less angles than the tv viewer, tv viewers get multiple angles during the round and highlights after (although the highlights shouldn't affect the scoring)
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Yes and 90% of fans as I've been reading countless comments on articles about the fight.Only here have I seen such a handful of people being defiant and devil's advocate with crazy scores like 8-4 Ward and so on.6-6 was best case scenario for Ward. He was being outlanded in many rounds by that Kovalev jab alone. Ward staged a gutsy and courageous comeback, but it simply was not enough. He did no significant damage to his opponent and was being out thrown and out landed throughout the fight.
Look at the punch stats. It shows how close a fight it was.
As for 90% of fans scoring it for Kov. Come on. Everyone knows the majority of boxing fans cant score fights for shit.
None of us can accurately judge a fight from our couch, getting every angle and every reply to help us.
Judges are judges for a reason.
Judge have less angles than the tv viewer, tv viewers get multiple angles during the round and highlights after (although the highlights shouldn't affect the scoring)
Exactly, they don't get the view we do so they could easily score a fight 118-110 that you score 113-115 the opposite way if they haven't had the best view of the shots.
There must have been at least one "robbery" in history that could have been attributed to this.
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Yeah I misread your post I thought you was saying judges are better placed than the viewer.
Ignore me entirely I've had a drink
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Yes and 90% of fans as I've been reading countless comments on articles about the fight.Only here have I seen such a handful of people being defiant and devil's advocate with crazy scores like 8-4 Ward and so on.6-6 was best case scenario for Ward. He was being outlanded in many rounds by that Kovalev jab alone. Ward staged a gutsy and courageous comeback, but it simply was not enough. He did no significant damage to his opponent and was being out thrown and out landed throughout the fight.
Look at the punch stats. It shows how close a fight it was.
As for 90% of fans scoring it for Kov. Come on. Everyone knows the majority of boxing fans cant score fights for shit.
None of us can accurately judge a fight from our couch, getting every angle and every reply to help us.
Judges are judges for a reason.
Judge have less angles than the tv viewer, tv viewers get multiple angles during the round and highlights after (although the highlights shouldn't affect the scoring)
Exactly, they don't get the view we do so they could easily score a fight 118-110 that you score 113-115 the opposite way if they haven't had the best view of the shots.
There must have been at least one "robbery" in history that could have been attributed to this.
It's sad that every other sport, including tradition-bound ones like soccer, has embraced technology to try and reduce judging or refereeing errors.... while boxing is stuck in the Stone Age with three judges and their sometimes limited vantage points, making judgments that many times rob a deserving fighter of a decision earned with blood and sweat.
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It's sad that every other sport, including tradition-bound ones like soccer, has embraced technology to try and reduce judging or refereeing errors.... while boxing is stuck in the Stone Age with three judges and their sometimes limited vantage points, making judgments that many times rob a deserving fighter of a decision earned with blood and sweat.
That's a good point! Seems like every other sport is using 100 different camera angles to make sure they got the call exactly right! ;D
And then we have 3 judges who have one angle to observe from trying to decide who won! And most of these judges are old fucks! ;D
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Dont agree that judges need technology to help them. Even that is largely up to manipulation. I believe at ringside you are much better placed to see the quality of a punch then you see on tv.
Its corruption and incompetence mixed together. Look at the Perez Hooker fight. Cant see how Hooker won more then one round yet one judge gave him 7?
This close was nowhere near a robbery. A very close fight which could have gone either way. I do wonder though if Wards team had any influence in picking the judges who favor his style. Very rare in a very close fight that not one of the judges would favor the aggressors work.
