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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
anthony mundine would crush joe calzaghe with a easy points decision victory.
joe cant even dominate a 2nd rate aussie in bika.
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
To be honest...I don't think that he did all that poorly. The fighter was difficult & that's that. Maybe Joe had a bad night...if it was last night or maybe a night two years ago...people will say that he passed off a shitty performance.
The thing is...no one really knows how good Bika actually is...do they?
He was good enough to batter Beyer (as did Kessler!!! Whoooooooooo hoooooo!!!!)...he was good enough to stand toe to toe with Joe...
Before ripping Joe's performance...youv'e got two options that you should really consider above all else.
#1: Not you, not Wacko, not anyone really knows how good Bika actually is...do they? Apparently Calzaghe does.
#2: Calzaghe's come this far...& it hasn't been based just on luck. It's a shame to hear everyone rip into him.
Not that Bika was a challenge of challenges...but Calzaghe suffers from "Mayweather Syndrome".
No matter who he beats, how he wins, & what titles or belts adorn him people will always scorn him.
Sc for leading Calzcrappy's excuse campaign. Like I said it's funny how all of sudden Bika ain't a bum. If it was Jermain Taylor having this performance against Bika, I guarantee you Wack you wouldn't be saying "No one really knows how good Bika really is". You would of murder the boy. And Calzcrappy will never suffer from Mayweather Syndrome, cuz his resume is nowhere close to matching the top names Floyd has on his. You say "no matter who he beats", come on man he ain't beaten anybody that wasn't past there prime or was in over there head.
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
is joe punching with his eyes closed?
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
Im kinda glad he gave him a tough fight.
I hated all that showboating at the beggining of the fight
it was not even a cool type of showboating......
some showboating is cool but that was not it
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
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Where's my month of coolclicks wacko? ;) I bet you Calzaghe would look normal his next time out ;) I'm here to collect
That is a measure of how overrated and easy to hit Lacy is
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
To quote Russell Crowe in Gladiator, I'm surprised he ddin't go to each corner and scream "are you not entertained?" I'm not saying that he was at all impressive, but he won against a very tough man, and when he's next in against a boxer, watch him then. I'll still be here, blindly supporting my boy, and expoecting him to win every time. See ya in february for another dose of calzaghe bashing ;)
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
[quote=Violent Demise ]
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
To be honest...I don't think that he did all that poorly. The fighter was difficult & that's that. Maybe Joe had a bad night...if it was last night or maybe a night two years ago...people will say that he passed off a shitty performance.
The thing is...no one really knows how good Bika actually is...do they?
He was good enough to batter Beyer (as did Kessler!!! Whoooooooooo hoooooo!!!!)...he was good enough to stand toe to toe with Joe...
Before ripping Joe's performance...youv'e got two options that you should really consider above all else.
#1: Not you, not Wacko, not anyone really knows how good Bika actually is...do they? Apparently Calzaghe does.
#2: Calzaghe's come this far...& it hasn't been based just on luck. It's a shame to hear everyone rip into him.
Not that Bika was a challenge of challenges...but Calzaghe suffers from "Mayweather Syndrome".
No matter who he beats, how he wins, & what titles or belts adorn him people will always scorn him.
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Sc for leading Calzcrappy's excuse campaign.
S;
:sadclick: Yourself VD. Those weren't excuses...just my thoughts on what might have gone wrong.
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Like I said it's funny how all of sudden Bika ain't a bum. If it was Jermain Taylor having this performance against Bika, I guarantee you Wack you wouldn't be saying "No one really knows how good Bika really is". You would of murder the boy.
Bika wasn't a bum. Bika had never been downed or out. He was Beyer's mandatory back when they fought. He was there for a reason. I wouldn't pass judgement on the kid that fast.
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And Calzcrappy will never suffer from Mayweather Syndrome, cuz his resume is nowhere close to matching the top names Floyd has on his.
He suffers every time that he laces up & he's got a pretty good record for what he's accomplished but he has yet to gain the support of the crow.
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You say "no matter who he beats", come on man he ain't beaten anybody that wasn't past there prime or was in over there head.
That's such a broad blatant statement...that "anyone that he's beaten didn't have a chance, too green, too old...blah blah blah"
That can be passed over to any fighter.
It's doo-doo.
Both of the two top guns of 168 did hella good tonigh.
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
Don't worry wack, if you're leading the campaign on Calzaghe, I'm the troops that go over the trenches and run blindly forward into enemy fire. CC from me will balance out VD's SC ;)
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
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Don't worry wack, if you're leading the campaign on Calzaghe, I'm the troops that go over the trenches and run blindly forward into enemy fire. CC from me will balance out VD's SC ;)
:coolclick: right back babe.
Here's the thing about Joe...he's fun to watch & he's fast flashy & skilled on top of being a mareketable comoditi for HBO...but I aint sure that I'm prepared to see him tossed in with Kess...atleast not until he devlops a working defense.
Know what I mean?
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
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anthony mundine would crush joe calzaghe with a easy points decision victory.
joe cant even dominate a 2nd rate aussie in bika.
Had to come back and post about this fight. Few points, firstly, this post is complete rubbish.
1. Joe Calzaghe went into that fight thinking Bika was 2nd rate. All this talk recently of Calzaghe being the greatest ever British fighter- when he went into that ring- he was taken in by his own hype and as a result he fought the completely wrong fight. There were a few time this fight became an all out punch up and Joe, hands down, walked onto numerous flush shots. If it proves anything, he has got a good chin!! :)
2. Joe is much better than this fight made out, we all know that. As Barry MgGuigan said, styles make fights and Bika's style mixed with Joe's southpaw style made for a very rough fight. Bika is a hell of a strong guy!
3. We've never seen Joe cut and bruised like that- I'd say mostly the result of head butts, some were deliberate- that Bika is one dirty fighter.
4. Joe admitted he fought the wrong fight and as MgGuigan said, once you've made a gameplan error, it is hard to go back to normal boxing in the middle of a fight. The times Joe did box, Bika was outclassed. I think if there was a rematch, Joe would stop this fella if he played it right. Although he did win this one by a clear margin so not all bad!!
5. Joe Calzaghe is 34, he ain't got long left before age gets to him- he needs a big fight in his next fight to unify the titles would do him justice.
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
No one ever leaves saddo's ;)
;D
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
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Here's the thing about Joe...he's fun to watch & he's fast flashy & skilled on top of being a mareketable comoditi for HBO...but I aint sure that I'm prepared to see him tossed in with Kess...atleast not until he devlops a working defense.
Know what I mean?
You mean you think he's still a bit green, being at the beginning of his career like he is, and he may one day develop into a superb fighter when/if he learns some defensive skills? So he needs to fight some journeymen for a while before he steps up to fight the greats, so he has time to learn? That what you mean? :P
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
To be honest...I don't think that he did all that poorly. The fighter was difficult & that's that. Maybe Joe had a bad night...if it was last night or maybe a night two years ago...people will say that he passed off a shitty performance.
The thing is...no one really knows how good Bika actually is...do they?
He was good enough to batter Beyer (as did Kessler!!! Whoooooooooo hoooooo!!!!)...he was good enough to stand toe to toe with Joe...
Before ripping Joe's performance...youv'e got two options that you should really consider above all else.
#1: Not you, not Wacko, not anyone really knows how good Bika actually is...do they? Apparently Calzaghe does.
#2: Calzaghe's come this far...& it hasn't been based just on luck. It's a shame to hear everyone rip into him.
Not that Bika was a challenge of challenges...but Calzaghe suffers from "Mayweather Syndrome".
No matter who he beats, how he wins, & what titles or belts adorn him people will always scorn him.
You know what. Maybe Calzaghe wouldn't be come down so hard if all them if all them Calzaghe fans weren't hyping this guy to beat Roy and Hopkins and everything else because of his victory against Jeff Lacy ::** He was sio hyped up beyond belief OVER LACY!!! And now that its been shown how overhyped he was made you talk about 'nobody knows how good Bika is'
I may as well say that of the guy that Zab fought(right after the Spinks fight) I may as well say "No one knows how good he really is" ::**
Please! If you still think Calzaghe could hang with the likes of Jones and Hopkins you're dreaming. And trying to upgrade Bika like he's the next second coming to Calzaghe is insulting. As good as ya'll hyped Calzaghe to be and now you're saying Bika is soo good I guess he could beat James Toney then right? ::**
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
Bika is horrible... he barely won a round convincgly... what he did do well was spoil and make Calzaghe look bad using his strength.
I just hope you make your opinions now as clear as you can so that you can't deny them in the future Starr.
I'll start listening when you get over Mayorga/Naseem/Judah... :P
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
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To be honest...I don't think that he did all that poorly. The fighter was difficult & that's that. Maybe Joe had a bad night...if it was last night or maybe a night two years ago...people will say that he passed off a shitty performance.
The thing is...no one really knows how good Bika actually is...do they?
He was good enough to batter Beyer (as did Kessler!!! Whoooooooooo hoooooo!!!!)...he was good enough to stand toe to toe with Joe...
Before ripping Joe's performance...youv'e got two options that you should really consider above all else.
#1: Not you, not Wacko, not anyone really knows how good Bika actually is...do they? Apparently Calzaghe does.
#2: Calzaghe's come this far...& it hasn't been based just on luck. It's a shame to hear everyone rip into him.
Not that Bika was a challenge of challenges...but Calzaghe suffers from "Mayweather Syndrome".
No matter who he beats, how he wins, & what titles or belts adorn him people will always scorn him.
You know what. Maybe Calzaghe wouldn't be come down so hard if all them if all them Calzaghe fans weren't hyping this guy to beat Roy and Hopkins and everything else because of his victory against Jeff Lacy ::** He was sio hyped up beyond belief OVER LACY!!! And now that its been shown how overhyped he was made you talk about 'nobody knows how good Bika is'
I may as well say that of the guy that Zab fought(right after the Spinks fight) I may as well say "No one knows how good he really is" ::**
Please! If you still think Calzaghe could hang with the likes of Jones and Hopkins you're dreaming. And trying to upgrade Bika like he's the next second coming to Calzaghe is insulting. As good as ya'll hyped Calzaghe to be and now you're saying Bika is soo good I guess he could beat James Toney then right? ::**
So if somebody thinks that Calzaghe could beat a shadow of his former self Roy Jones they're dreaming ???
Yeah I don't think he would have a chance against the Roy that fought Glen Johnson or that fought the third Tarver fight. Not a chance, that Roy's just too dominant.
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
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To be honest...I don't think that he did all that poorly. The fighter was difficult & that's that. Maybe Joe had a bad night...if it was last night or maybe a night two years ago...people will say that he passed off a shitty performance.
The thing is...no one really knows how good Bika actually is...do they?
He was good enough to batter Beyer (as did Kessler!!! Whoooooooooo hoooooo!!!!)...he was good enough to stand toe to toe with Joe...
Before ripping Joe's performance...youv'e got two options that you should really consider above all else.
#1: Not you, not Wacko, not anyone really knows how good Bika actually is...do they? Apparently Calzaghe does.
#2: Calzaghe's come this far...& it hasn't been based just on luck. It's a shame to hear everyone rip into him.
Not that Bika was a challenge of challenges...but Calzaghe suffers from "Mayweather Syndrome".
No matter who he beats, how he wins, & what titles or belts adorn him people will always scorn him.
You know what. Maybe Calzaghe wouldn't be come down so hard if all them if all them Calzaghe fans weren't hyping this guy to beat Roy and Hopkins and everything else because of his victory against Jeff Lacy ::** He was sio hyped up beyond belief OVER LACY!!! And now that its been shown how overhyped he was made you talk about 'nobody knows how good Bika is'
I may as well say that of the guy that Zab fought(right after the Spinks fight) I may as well say "No one knows how good he really is" ::**
Please! If you still think Calzaghe could hang with the likes of Jones and Hopkins you're dreaming. And trying to upgrade Bika like he's the next second coming to Calzaghe is insulting. As good as ya'll hyped Calzaghe to be and now you're saying Bika is soo good I guess he could beat James Toney then right? ::**
So if somebody thinks that Calzaghe could beat a shadow of his former self Roy Jones they're dreaming ???
Yeah I don't think he would have a chance against the Roy that fought Glen Johnson or that fought the third Tarver fight. Not a chance, that Roy's just too dominant.
Hehehehe ;D
Do I detect irony? ;D
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
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To be honest...I don't think that he did all that poorly. The fighter was difficult & that's that. Maybe Joe had a bad night...if it was last night or maybe a night two years ago...people will say that he passed off a shitty performance.
The thing is...no one really knows how good Bika actually is...do they?
He was good enough to batter Beyer (as did Kessler!!! Whoooooooooo hoooooo!!!!)...he was good enough to stand toe to toe with Joe...
Before ripping Joe's performance...youv'e got two options that you should really consider above all else.
#1: Not you, not Wacko, not anyone really knows how good Bika actually is...do they? Apparently Calzaghe does.
#2: Calzaghe's come this far...& it hasn't been based just on luck. It's a shame to hear everyone rip into him.
Not that Bika was a challenge of challenges...but Calzaghe suffers from "Mayweather Syndrome".
No matter who he beats, how he wins, & what titles or belts adorn him people will always scorn him.
You know what. Maybe Calzaghe wouldn't be come down so hard if all them if all them Calzaghe fans weren't hyping this guy to beat Roy and Hopkins and everything else because of his victory against Jeff Lacy ::** He was sio hyped up beyond belief OVER LACY!!! And now that its been shown how overhyped he was made you talk about 'nobody knows how good Bika is'
I may as well say that of the guy that Zab fought(right after the Spinks fight) I may as well say "No one knows how good he really is" ::**
Please! If you still think Calzaghe could hang with the likes of Jones and Hopkins you're dreaming. And trying to upgrade Bika like he's the next second coming to Calzaghe is insulting. As good as ya'll hyped Calzaghe to be and now you're saying Bika is soo good I guess he could beat James Toney then right? ::**
So if somebody thinks that Calzaghe could beat a shadow of his former self Roy Jones they're dreaming ???
Yeah I don't think he would have a chance against the Roy that fought Glen Johnson or that fought the third Tarver fight. Not a chance, that Roy's just too dominant.
Hehehehe ;D
Do I detect irony? ;D
Joe better step it up and Quick.......He better be careful what hes wishing for in Nard or Roy...Thats a good steeping stone fight for him before he wins the Heavyweight title ;)
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
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To be honest...I don't think that he did all that poorly. The fighter was difficult & that's that. Maybe Joe had a bad night...if it was last night or maybe a night two years ago...people will say that he passed off a shitty performance.
The thing is...no one really knows how good Bika actually is...do they?
He was good enough to batter Beyer (as did Kessler!!! Whoooooooooo hoooooo!!!!)...he was good enough to stand toe to toe with Joe...
Before ripping Joe's performance...youv'e got two options that you should really consider above all else.
#1: Not you, not Wacko, not anyone really knows how good Bika actually is...do they? Apparently Calzaghe does.
#2: Calzaghe's come this far...& it hasn't been based just on luck. It's a shame to hear everyone rip into him.
Not that Bika was a challenge of challenges...but Calzaghe suffers from "Mayweather Syndrome".
No matter who he beats, how he wins, & what titles or belts adorn him people will always scorn him.
You know what. Maybe Calzaghe wouldn't be come down so hard if all them if all them Calzaghe fans weren't hyping this guy to beat Roy and Hopkins and everything else because of his victory against Jeff Lacy ::** He was sio hyped up beyond belief OVER LACY!!! And now that its been shown how overhyped he was made you talk about 'nobody knows how good Bika is'
I may as well say that of the guy that Zab fought(right after the Spinks fight) I may as well say "No one knows how good he really is" ::**
Please! If you still think Calzaghe could hang with the likes of Jones and Hopkins you're dreaming. And trying to upgrade Bika like he's the next second coming to Calzaghe is insulting. As good as ya'll hyped Calzaghe to be and now you're saying Bika is soo good I guess he could beat James Toney then right? ::**
So if somebody thinks that Calzaghe could beat a shadow of his former self Roy Jones they're dreaming ???
Yeah I don't think he would have a chance against the Roy that fought Glen Johnson or that fought the third Tarver fight. Not a chance, that Roy's just too dominant.
Tarver and Johnson aint Bika. And the Calzaghe I saw would be stopped by both of them
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
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To be honest...I don't think that he did all that poorly. The fighter was difficult & that's that. Maybe Joe had a bad night...if it was last night or maybe a night two years ago...people will say that he passed off a shitty performance.
The thing is...no one really knows how good Bika actually is...do they?
He was good enough to batter Beyer (as did Kessler!!! Whoooooooooo hoooooo!!!!)...he was good enough to stand toe to toe with Joe...
Before ripping Joe's performance...youv'e got two options that you should really consider above all else.
#1: Not you, not Wacko, not anyone really knows how good Bika actually is...do they? Apparently Calzaghe does.
#2: Calzaghe's come this far...& it hasn't been based just on luck. It's a shame to hear everyone rip into him.
Not that Bika was a challenge of challenges...but Calzaghe suffers from "Mayweather Syndrome".
No matter who he beats, how he wins, & what titles or belts adorn him people will always scorn him.
You know what. Maybe Calzaghe wouldn't be come down so hard if all them if all them Calzaghe fans weren't hyping this guy to beat Roy and Hopkins and everything else because of his victory against Jeff Lacy ::** He was sio hyped up beyond belief OVER LACY!!! And now that its been shown how overhyped he was made you talk about 'nobody knows how good Bika is'
I may as well say that of the guy that Zab fought(right after the Spinks fight) I may as well say "No one knows how good he really is" ::**
Please! If you still think Calzaghe could hang with the likes of Jones and Hopkins you're dreaming. And trying to upgrade Bika like he's the next second coming to Calzaghe is insulting. As good as ya'll hyped Calzaghe to be and now you're saying Bika is soo good I guess he could beat James Toney then right? ::**
So if somebody thinks that Calzaghe could beat a shadow of his former self Roy Jones they're dreaming ???
Yeah I don't think he would have a chance against the Roy that fought Glen Johnson or that fought the third Tarver fight. Not a chance, that Roy's just too dominant.
Tarver and Johnson aint Bika. And the Calzaghe I saw would be stopped by both of them
So were just going on one fight? I've seen enough Calzaghe fights to know he fought last night like he fights against a lot of guys that aren't even relatively big names. Cocky, hands down, taking unneccessary risks, he didn't fight with the same focus he did against Lacy and which he would against another bigger name. And Johnson has stopped like 4 or 5 guys in his last 20 fights, he couldn't even stop Richard Hall, why he would stop a guy like Joe who has a good chin is beyond me. And Tarver would have to stop him, with him getting old and probably too big for the weight he'd probably be too sluggish to win a decision.
I just haven't seen anything from Roy since the second Tarver fight to make me think he can compete at a high level anymore, the Badi Ajamu fight just didn't do much for me, Rico Hoye won 9 rounds against Ajamu. And I don't see him winning a decision cause of his habit that he's picked up of laying against the ropes, covering up and not throwing much. If he was gunshy against Johnson's pressure I would think he wouldn't be much better against the much more active pressure of Calzaghe. A stoppage win would be the most likely for Jones and I don't see that as extremely likely.
I'd probably favor Hopkins though.
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
I see a similarity here between Calzaghe and Leenox Lewis. When Lewis needed to he dominated his top class opposition but took his eyes of the ball twice against B or C grade opposition and paid the price.
When he needed to prove himself though he was impeccable.
Calzaghe is much the same. Those of you who think he would fight the same way against Hopkins or Tarver are just delusional.
An A grade fighter oftentime needs A grade opponents to really step it up. Look at Eubank or James Toney, they both had/have a history of struggling and failing to look good against so called soft opposition.
The major difference being that Calzaghe despite his lapses has never lost.
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
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I see a similarity here between Calzaghe and Leenox Lewis. When Lewis needed to he dominated his top class opposition but took his eyes of the ball twice against B or C grade opposition and paid the price.
When he needed to prove himself though he was impeccable.
Calzaghe is much the same. Those of you who think he would fight the same way against Hopkins or Tarver are just delusional.
An A grade fighter oftentime needs A grade opponents to really step it up. Look at Eubank or James Toney, they both had/have a history of struggling and failing to look good against so called soft opposition.
The major difference being that Calzaghe despite his lapses has never lost.
Bilbs why cant you guys admit he is not the world beater you all claim he is.........
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
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The major difference being that Calzaghe despite his lapses has never lost.
Bilbs why cant you guys admit he is not the world beater you all claim he is.........
It might be easier to do so when he gets beat by somebody ... anybody. Since he ain't been yet, anything can be said. Don't means it's true, just that it's not demonstrably untrue, and so can be said.
Of course, even when their fighter loses, they can do the Sal and Judah show. ;D
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Here's the thing about Joe...he's fun to watch & he's fast flashy & skilled on top of being a mareketable comoditi for HBO...but I aint sure that I'm prepared to see him tossed in with Kess...atleast not until he devlops a working defense.
Know what I mean?
You mean you think he's still a bit green, being at the beginning of his career like he is, and he may one day develop into a superb fighter when/if he learns some defensive skills? So he needs to fight some journeymen for a while before he steps up to fight the greats, so he has time to learn? That what you mean? :P
I actually meant that Kess needs to get his defense working before getting thrown in with Joe.
Might have put the names in the wrong place... :drunks:
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
I admit when I'm wrong, so I should admit when I'm right.
Knew Calzaghe's performance won't be no where near as good as the Lacy performance.
Calzaghe fighting down to the level of opponents? Only you can answer that.
I still say YES. heheh
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
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To be honest...I don't think that he did all that poorly. The fighter was difficult & that's that. Maybe Joe had a bad night...if it was last night or maybe a night two years ago...people will say that he passed off a shitty performance.
The thing is...no one really knows how good Bika actually is...do they?
He was good enough to batter Beyer (as did Kessler!!! Whoooooooooo hoooooo!!!!)...he was good enough to stand toe to toe with Joe...
Before ripping Joe's performance...youv'e got two options that you should really consider above all else.
#1: Not you, not Wacko, not anyone really knows how good Bika actually is...do they? Apparently Calzaghe does.
#2: Calzaghe's come this far...& it hasn't been based just on luck. It's a shame to hear everyone rip into him.
Not that Bika was a challenge of challenges...but Calzaghe suffers from "Mayweather Syndrome".
No matter who he beats, how he wins, & what titles or belts adorn him people will always scorn him.
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Originally Posted by Starr
You know what. Maybe Calzaghe wouldn't be come down so hard if all them if all them Calzaghe fans weren't hyping this guy to beat Roy and Hopkins and everything else because of his victory against Jeff Lacy ::** He was sio hyped up beyond belief OVER LACY!!! And now that its been shown how overhyped he was made you talk about 'nobody knows how good Bika is'
You know what. Shit like this is aggrevating.
Quite often...you cry about people trying to twist your words & say that you said this & they said that you said that...I'm not overhyping Lacy, Calzaghe, or Bika.
You ran with that Bika shit. I simply said no one knows how good Bika is/was. He put a hurting on Beyer & he also gave Joe some troubles. Joe is undefeated in 42 fights now & he's a hell of a fighter...I have always said that...before Lacy. The funny thing is...I make a statement & you say that I am hyping or over hyping...I'm simply conversating...not trying to give you grounds to disprove every word that I type.
Bika did good against Beyer, he did good against Joe, & I think that it's fair to give Bika some credit & the benefit of the doubt...boxing fans often do that. They speculate on fights & that often brings enjoyment to the game. Seems like, more & more lately...youv'e forgotten how to do that, instead you try to chop up everyone's opinions. What's the deal with that?
Either way...Lacy, Kessler, & Calzaghe & quite possibley Bika are the cream of the 168 crop at the moment.
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Originally Posted by Starr
I may as well say that of the guy that Zab fought(right after the Spinks fight) I may as well say "No one knows how good he really is" ::**
You might as well not say shit about Judah...we all know how good he is...the problem with Judah is that he's to retarded to notice his own abilities.
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Originally Posted by Starr
Please! If you still think Calzaghe could hang with the likes of Jones and Hopkins you're dreaming. And trying to upgrade Bika like he's the next second coming to Calzaghe is insulting. As good as ya'll hyped Calzaghe to be and now you're saying Bika is soo good I guess he could beat James Toney then right? ::**
That really is quite ridiculous.
Lately...I almost wonder if youv'e let someone else take over your screen name.
I haven't tried to upgrade Bika...but if you watched the fight...you saw him fighting...you saw him hanging in with the best at 168 & I am sure you saw him run the full 12. What's funny about you lately is that you are guilty of what you accuse others of doing to you.
So the fact that I say that Calzaghe is one of my favorites (alongside Hops, Jones, Wright, Floyd, & the rest of the list) but I recognize the fact that Bika did well against him equates to hyping & overhyping & all that other bullshit you try to cook up?
What has happened to you?
I said that Bika did good against two of the tops in 168...one of those two tops (let's be clear here...I mean Beyer) wasn't all that...you ran with the rest of that & then brought in James Toney.
Let's discuss things that are relevant...all this reaching & struggling bullshit that your'e pulling is getting old. Calzaghe has had a few bad nights. He's been knocked down...but he's gotten up & he's then defeated the man that dropped him.
Roy Jones has been knocked out twice...but Tarver & Johnson...I think that if I want to speculate that Calzaghe would defeat Jones...I wouldn't be too far in the wrong...but if I am...it's my choice to speculate...& for the record...YES JOE CALZAGHE WOULD BEAT THE JONES OF TODAY.
Still not sure what the output of Calzaghe against Hopkins would be.
Hopkins Calzaghe would be one hell of a fight...I know that much...but I probably shouldn't even have spoken...as I am sure you know the exact outcome.
Again...I just understand the bitterness. ::**
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
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Originally Posted by miles
No, It is very clearly the same fighter. Calzaghe against Lacy, Calzaghe against Bika...same fighter, but with very different approach and mindset during and prior to the fight IMO...
No excuses need to be made for Calzaghe, he has won all of his fights, but he has been known to fight down to the opponents level and brawl needlessly when he doesnt really need to do so...
Its unlikely he would do this against Kessler. As Calzaghe said before the Lacy fight. He can box or brawl, he is able to give us a different performance depending upon the opponent...
As simple as really...it aint rocket science...
Very well said...pertains to a lot of the dismissing of Calzaghe on this thread.
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
Bilbs why cant you guys admit he is not the world beater you all claim he is.........
JT...I'm not sure that Calzaghe's fans are saying that he's a world beater...every man can be beaten.
I'm sure when you were riding high on Lacy that you didn't see anyone within miles that could be him...did you? Be honest.
I really don't need to ask for an answer because I am sure that you thought Lacy was a world beater, yourself.
I know that I did.
Problem is...what's good for the goose is good for the gander...
Joe had a tuff night...he didn't get hammered into submission, he didn't get knocked out, he didn't get dropped, & he managed to get his shots off & he kept his title.
We all know that none of the above pertains to Lacy...so I can understate you being slightly bitter...but the facts are that Joe is the real deal & he has been for 42 fights now.
Rest assured...when or if Joe loses everyone will low ball him just like they did when Jeff Lacy got his ass handed to him & you can jump right on that boat...until then...just enjoy the performances. ;D
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
nevertheless wacko, I'm not sure if you remember that I told you that Calzaghe would look irdinary in his next fight(bet you a month of coolclicks too)
But you saying that Calzaghe could beat Roy, could beat Hopkins and things like that is just ab it much for that one win over Lacy. Asking you before the Lacy fight would you have picked Calzaghe to beat Roy OR Hopkins?
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
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Originally Posted by Starr
nevertheless wacko, I'm not sure if you remember that I told you that Calzaghe would look irdinary in his next fight(bet you a month of coolclicks too)
Yes you did say that...& I have clicked you already for it.
The thing is...I didn't think that he looked ordinary...I just thought that Bika put up a hell of a fight & from the head butt cut on...Joe just couldn't be Joe.
I'm sure you disagree there...but we won't delve in to that one.
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Originally Posted by Starr
But you saying that Calzaghe could beat Roy, could beat Hopkins and things like that is just ab it much for that one win over Lacy. Asking you before the Lacy fight would you have picked Calzaghe to beat Roy OR Hopkins?
Let's do clear this up though. I have had my beliefs in Joe before the Lacy fight...so that little slap don't apply to me...but still...since you need detailed explanations to pick apart.
Roy Jones vs Calzaghe: I have always said that Joe could beat Roy...it that's a bit much for you...then I hate it. Once Roy fwocked his body over the Ruiz debacle...he's been...well...not Roy. Also...if Tarver & Johnson with their mediocre spurts of talent can destroy Jones...then yeah...it aint a stretch for me to believe that Joe Calzaghe could be Roy. Many people rip into Joe's record...but there are just as many laughable names on Jones's record as there are on Joe's. I love Roy. I think that in his day...there was nothing like him...but he lost that first fight to Tarver & he's lost every other fight since except to Prine Huh-boo-boo & if you want to rip into the man Calzaghe just fought...you need to lean in Roy's direction then.
Bernard Hopkins vs Calzaghe: It is no secret that my most favorite fighter of all time is Bernard Hopkins. I have been a Hopkins fan since, lord knows how many years...I've lost track...but I believe that to be a fan...you have to be a realist too. It pays off in the end...if you have your doubts & your guy wins when you thought he couldn't...there's that much more cause for celebration. I've stood by the Nard through everything...from his loss to Jones to his win against Tarver...which I did not believe he would do. Anywho, if Calzaghe shows up determined & focused...I'd give him a shot at beating Hopkins...but I have also stated that I believe Hopkins's jab & defensive technique would negate Joe's power & speed...there again though...I have not & will not pick a winner...I will just say that it could go either way.
Whether you want to give him credit or not...whether you want to say he's over hyped...or whatever...Joe is 42 fights in & he is undefeated...that is all the credit & confirmation needed.
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
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Originally Posted by Starr
But you saying that Calzaghe could beat Roy, could beat Hopkins and things like that is just ab it much for that one win over Lacy. Asking you before the Lacy fight would you have picked Calzaghe to beat Roy OR Hopkins?
Since we are deep in this...discussion...this is something that I said elsewhere along the same lines...maybe this will clear up my statements that seemed to have shocked you out of reality. ;D
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Agreed. Money fights...in a big way! I honestly believe that Joe would eat Jones up...I go back & forth on how he'd do with Hopkins. Hopkins nullify's a lot of people's abilities with his jab & his defense.
Again...yes to defeating Jones. Not sure about the Nard.
Please note for the record...as you often do. ;)
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Being a fan of Kessler doesn't equate to me being an expert on Kessler...but I can honestly say that I don't think there is anyone at 160-175lbs that could beat him outside of Calzaghe or Wright. Joe would have to be on point/focused & Wright would have to be able to handle the extra 8lbs.
Wright's defense would give Kess hell.
Having seen how your train of thought works over the last year or so...let me go ahead & say that I think that Kessler would beat Taylor if they fought & since Hopkins has expressed interests & moving up to 200lbs...I didn't include him in the discussion. :-*
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
Bilbs why cant you guys admit he is not the world beater you all claim he is.........
JT...I'm not sure that Calzaghe's fans are saying that he's a world beater...every man can be beaten.
I'm sure when you were riding high on Lacy that you didn't see anyone within miles that could be him...did you? Be honest.
I really don't need to ask for an answer because I am sure that you thought Lacy was a world beater, yourself.
I know that I did.
Problem is...what's good for the goose is good for the gander...
Joe had a tuff night...he didn't get hammered into submission, he didn't get knocked out, he didn't get dropped, & he managed to get his shots off & he kept his title.
We all know that none of the above pertains to Lacy...so I can understate you being slightly bitter...but the facts are that Joe is the real deal & he has been for 42 fights now.
Rest assured...when or if Joe loses everyone will low ball him just like they did when Jeff Lacy got his a** handed to him & you can jump right on that boat...until then...just enjoy the performances. ;D
Fair enough My friend...When Lacy got BEAT DOWN I wasnt bitter...I was Heartbroken let the truth be told..
Again I'm gonna be a broken record here....I just get irratated when people(NOT YOU ;D) will trash Floyd Mayweather jr and call him a record padding bum who carefully hand selects his opponents Like Roy Jones did...Well look at the records regardless of general U.S Boxing fans lack of knowledge for most european fighters Line for line compare Floyds resume at 28yrs old and Joe's at 34yrs old and lets talk about quality of opponents..I would give Floyd the slight edge in that department and I would love to respectfully converse with anyone who may think otherwise.. Floyd has 6yrs to go before he is Joe's age.. Again so why is Floyd regarded as a fraud but Joe is the Prince of wales.. Not to mention Roy has a few hall of famers on his record...Thats why I comment on these things...Joe is great really great but again step it up pleaseeeeee!!!!!!
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
Bilbs why cant you guys admit he is not the world beater you all claim he is.........
JT...I'm not sure that Calzaghe's fans are saying that he's a world beater...every man can be beaten.
I'm sure when you were riding high on Lacy that you didn't see anyone within miles that could be him...did you? Be honest.
I really don't need to ask for an answer because I am sure that you thought Lacy was a world beater, yourself.
I know that I did.
Problem is...what's good for the goose is good for the gander...
Joe had a tuff night...he didn't get hammered into submission, he didn't get knocked out, he didn't get dropped, & he managed to get his shots off & he kept his title.
We all know that none of the above pertains to Lacy...so I can understate you being slightly bitter...but the facts are that Joe is the real deal & he has been for 42 fights now.
Rest assured...when or if Joe loses everyone will low ball him just like they did when Jeff Lacy got his a** handed to him & you can jump right on that boat...until then...just enjoy the performances. ;D
Fair enough My friend...When Lacy got BEAT DOWN I wasnt bitter...I was Heartbroken let the truth be told..
Again I'm gonna be a broken record here....I just get irratated when people(NOT YOU ;D) will trash Floyd Mayweather jr and call him a record padding bum who carefully hand selects his opponents Like Roy Jones did...Well look at the records regardless of general U.S Boxing fans lack of knowledge for most european fighters Line for line compare Floyds resume at 28yrs old and Joe's at 34yrs old and lets talk about quality of opponents..I would give Floyd the slight edge in that department and I would love to respectfully converse with anyone who may think otherwise.. Floyd has 6yrs to go before he is Joe's age.. Again so why is Floyd regarded as a fraud but Joe is the Prince of wales.. Not to mention Roy has a few hall of famers on his record...Thats why I comment on these things...Joe is great really great but again step it up pleaseeeeee!!!!!!
Agreed. :coolclick:
Good post.
Now let's unsticky this mess & get ready for another weekend of fights.
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
Ok my thoughts.
wacko you make a very good point on how nobody knows how good Bika was and how much of a tough time he gave Beyer.
But, that only makes Joe look worse imo. Because given all that you've said that only furthers the notion that Joe should have came better, and fought better then he did. The way he fought it looked like he came in thinking he would blow Bika out and if Joe was as disciplined as a Hopkins or a Roy Jones Jr or even a Floyd Mayweather, then he would have came in the best Joe Calzaghe he could possibly be, especially given the points you gave on Bika.
You're right, nobody knew how good Bika is and he does have good credentials. All the more disappointing that Calzaghe didn't come in the best he could imo.
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
sometimes your flat on fight night, it happens in boxing, for some reason things just don't come off right. The thing one has to do is find a way to still win the fight, and Calzaghe did that. I was impressed, Calzaghe was flat no question but he still found a way to dig deep and win the fight. Bika was very determined and motivated. It's a good win O0
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
sometimes your flat on fight night, it happens in boxing, for some reason things just don't come off right. The thing one has to do is find a way to still win the fight, and Calzaghe did that. I was impressed, Calzaghe was flat no question but he still found a way to dig deep and win the fight. Bika was very determined and motivated. It's a good win O0
Agreem bad performance though.
But why do some fighters get the benefit of an 'off night' while other fighters that are less liked get the 'overrated' rating ??? Shouldn't all fighters be attuned to an 'off night' or two?
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
sometimes your flat on fight night, it happens in boxing, for some reason things just don't come off right. The thing one has to do is find a way to still win the fight, and Calzaghe did that. I was impressed, Calzaghe was flat no question but he still found a way to dig deep and win the fight. Bika was very determined and motivated. It's a good win O0
Agreem bad performance though.
But why do some fighters get the benefit of an 'off night' while other fighters that are less liked get the 'overrated' rating ??? Shouldn't all fighters be attuned to an 'off night' or two?
I think its a tributed to the history of a fighter. Calzaghe is usually very impressive, has a bad night and still wins. take fighter B who might never have ever been tested , steps up and gets his ass kicked. its easier for one to assume fighter B was just overrated because he has no history. see what I mean? if fighter B had a history of winning tough fights and thus has one bad outing most people would feel he had an off night. That my opinion
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
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Originally Posted by Majesty
Ok my thoughts.
wacko you make a very good point on how nobody knows how good Bika was and how much of a tough time he gave Beyer.
But, that only makes Joe look worse imo. Because given all that you've said that only furthers the notion that Joe should have came better, and fought better then he did. The way he fought it looked like he came in thinking he would blow Bika out and if Joe was as disciplined as a Hopkins or a Roy Jones Jr or even a Floyd Mayweather, then he would have came in the best Joe Calzaghe he could possibly be, especially given the points you gave on Bika.
You're right, nobody knew how good Bika is and he does have good credentials. All the more disappointing that Calzaghe didn't come in the best he could imo.
Floyd looked bad against Castillo.
Hopkins looked bad & lost to Jones & Taylor.
Roy's been knocked out twice.
Calzaghe looked bad against Bika & a few other people...he's only human...& unlike Jones & Hopkins...he's still undefeated.
If everyone took bad performances as coffin nails...95% of our favorite fighters would be buried 6 feet under.
Again...I keep saying to everyone...enjoy undefeated fighters as long as you can...the minute they lose...everyone buries 'em.
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
sometimes your flat on fight night, it happens in boxing, for some reason things just don't come off right. The thing one has to do is find a way to still win the fight, and Calzaghe did that. I was impressed, Calzaghe was flat no question but he still found a way to dig deep and win the fight. Bika was very determined and motivated. It's a good win O0
Agreem bad performance though.
But why do some fighters get the benefit of an 'off night' while other fighters that are less liked get the 'overrated' rating ??? Shouldn't all fighters be attuned to an 'off night' or two?
I think its a tributed to the history of a fighter. Calzaghe is usually very impressive, has a bad night and still wins. take fighter B who might never have ever been tested , steps up and gets his ass kicked. its easier for one to assume fighter B was just overrated because he has no history. see what I mean? if fighter B had a history of winning tough fights and thus has one bad outing most people would feel he had an off night. That my opinion
Here's an example
Jeff Lacy
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Majesty
Ok my thoughts.
wacko you make a very good point on how nobody knows how good Bika was and how much of a tough time he gave Beyer.
But, that only makes Joe look worse imo. Because given all that you've said that only furthers the notion that Joe should have came better, and fought better then he did. The way he fought it looked like he came in thinking he would blow Bika out and if Joe was as disciplined as a Hopkins or a Roy Jones Jr or even a Floyd Mayweather, then he would have came in the best Joe Calzaghe he could possibly be, especially given the points you gave on Bika.
You're right, nobody knew how good Bika is and he does have good credentials. All the more disappointing that Calzaghe didn't come in the best he could imo.
Floyd looked bad against Castillo.
Hopkins looked bad & lost to Jones & Taylor.
Roy's been knocked out twice.
Calzaghe looked bad against Bika & a few other people...he's only human...& unlike Jones & Hopkins...he's still undefeated.
If everyone took bad performances as coffin nails...95% of our favorite fighters would be buried 6 feet under.
Again...I keep saying to everyone...enjoy undefeated fighters as long as you can...the minute they lose...everyone buries 'em.
As far as Hopkins and Roy go, bringing up Taylor and Roy getting knocked out, imo both Hopkins and Roy were past their primes. Hopkins lasted longer because his style didn't depend 99 percent on his reflexes imo.
And didn't Floyd have an injured rib against Castillo? I don't know the whole story there.
Calzaghe is supposed to be in his prime and didn't seem to have an injury against Bika. I just think Joe fought down to the level of his opposition and didn't look as dedicated which isn't a good thing as far as long as he should be. Thats all I was saying.
