Just another Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Klitschko vs Brock

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Actually Brock is in decent shape, he's just got a different frame.

Brock heavyest weight 238 (7th career fight), lightest 218 (24th career fight vs McCline)

Wlad heavyest weight 246 (vs Derrick Jefferson), lightest 220 first career fight



But yeah Wlad will find range and drop the steelhammer on Calvin

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Lyle mate if that is Brock "In shape" f*ck knows what he looked like in other fights ;D
He clearly has "Bitch T!TS"

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smashup, that's funny bro

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Originally Posted by sweet science

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Actually Brock is in decent shape, he's just got a different frame.

Brock heavyest weight 238 (7th career fight), lightest 218 (24th career fight vs McCline)

Wlad heavyest weight 246 (vs Derrick Jefferson), lightest 220 first career fight



But yeah Wlad will find range and drop the steelhammer on Calvin

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Lyle mate if that is Brock "In shape" f*ck knows what he looked like in other fights ;D
He clearly has "Bitch T!TS"

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smashup, that's funny bro

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;D

They have been playing Brock-McCline on ESPN Classic all week and in that fight there are plenty of things we can take away from it.

#1 Calvin is a fast, talented fighter with good technique

#2 Calvin jabs sideways every now and then, especially when trying to go to the body. BAD NEWS when you consider his head is in perfect range for the right cross.

#3 Jameel McCline got in too close and smothered himself but at the same time the smaller Brock kept in good range and this is why Jameel got caught so often.

I think Calvin would be able to put up a good fight if his chin was better but honestly this fight doesn't bode well for him.

Wlad is the first true POWER PUNCHER Calvin has fought

Calvin is not faster or stronger than Wlad

To win, Brock is going to have to really be on his A game....Wlad just has to not have an off night to win

brocks best punch is slower, weaker, and far more random then what it will take to hurt big vladdy ;)

If you look at the guys who have dropped Wlad then you'll realize his chin ain't that bad.

Brewster (don't know if I would call it a knockdown but he was getting beat up pretty bad)
Sanders
Peter (eventhough 2 were rabbit punches)
Williamson (eventhough he was off balance anyways)

He got back up after all of them

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Originally Posted by plinden

OK:

Is Brock better than Byrd? No. So WK will finnish him faster.

If they were equally good; WK is still a superHW and brock a size smaller.

If WK loses I will never post again.

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If there were no style differences such linear thought might apply. It's interesting to think like that but fights don't follow the logic. (that said, I have Wlad by TKO)

As far as never posting again ... we hear that a lot and it's rarely carried out. Kind of like an insincere suicide threat. And when they do follow through with it, they generally get reincarnated pretty quick ... new name, same soul ... and more to the point, same posts

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I have never been wrong. But on the other hand I only predict when i feel justified; I had Maskaev by KO and I had Valuev by KO. But thats just because Ive seen those guys more than most.

I predict that Wackos fingers will not have to go the distance. :lickish:



















Wlad by ko rd 4-6

quick poll...

who is more gay

the flash or aqua man?

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Originally Posted by Lyle

If you look at the guys who have dropped Wlad then you'll realize his chin ain't that bad.

Brewster (don't know if I would call it a knockdown but he was getting beat up pretty bad)
Sanders
Peter (eventhough 2 were rabbit punches)
Williamson (eventhough he was off balance anyways)

He got back up after all of them

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The first Sanders knockdown wasn't a quick get up. It was about the count of 7 or 8?

Ok here's the fight

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That fight was a debacle for Wlad. I think the Peter fight helped him get past it somewhat, but any time he gets a solid chin check, I find myself thinking that it's all over.

Brock has enough power to test Wlad's chin (stamina, whatever...I still think it's that he gets hit on the chin, it goes to his head and turns off his legs), but Brock doesn't have Peter's chin. He's gonna have to fight really, really smart to withstand Wlad's offense and find his opening.

Or he could just get lucky.

I still think Wlad takes this one, through superior boxing skill and power.

Oh yeah... CC's on this thread - good discussion!

Majesty....he beat the 10 count. Also it wasn't the first shot that took him down either, he took a couple good thumps from that Left Cross of Sanders. I never said he wasn't hurt by Sanders but you could tell he didn't know what to do afterwards

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quick poll...

who is more gay

the flash or aqua man?

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Aqua Man....living in the ocean with fish and dolphins and whales.....totally gay





Also Brock is no Corey Sanders and Corey Sanders was bad for a lot of guys, a lefty with a quick cross that packs that much power, had he properly trained for his whole career he would have been very very good

The odds in USA Today are 4 to 1. Id say they should be more like 10 to 1.

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That fight was a debacle for Wlad. I think the Peter fight helped him get past it somewhat, but any time he gets a solid chin check, I find myself thinking that it's all over.

Brock has enough power to test Wlad's chin (stamina, whatever...I still think it's that he gets hit on the chin, it goes to his head and turns off his legs), but Brock doesn't have Peter's chin. He's gonna have to fight really, really smart to withstand Wlad's offense and find his opening.

Or he could just get lucky.

I still think Wlad takes this one, through superior boxing skill and power.

Oh yeah... CC's on this thread - good discussion!

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I think that Wlad's holding is a way to prevent that from happening. I still don't think its out of his head. But a ref needs to stop it. Because you can't intentionally grab a fighter away frm you by his arms and hold on till the ref breaks you just to prevent them from punching. I think thats illegal isn't it?

I like SH but that holding annoys the hell out of me.

Wladdy Stoppage.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Majesty....he beat the 10 count. Also it wasn't the first shot that took him down either, he took a couple good thumps from that Left Cross of Sanders. I never said he wasn't hurt by Sanders but you could tell he didn't know what to do afterwards

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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

quick poll...

who is more gay

the flash or aqua man?

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Aqua Man....living in the ocean with fish and dolphins and whales.....totally gay

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reminds me of a joke...

Superman was done fighting crime for the day and wondering if he could hang out with the rest of the superheroes.

He went to see Aqua man and said "Hey Aquaman want to hang out?"

Aquaman said "No I got to watch the fishes."

Superman went to Batman and Robin and said "Hey guys, want to hang out?"

And they said "No, we got to watch the bat cave."

So he went to Wonderwoman's house and looked through her window and he saw her buck naked on the bed just irmin and squirmin and movin and Superman thought to himself "Dang.. well I'm faster then a speeding bullet, I wonder if I could get in there and do my thing before she notices I was there."

So he thinks for a while then decides to do it.

So he goes WHOOOSH in her room and BOOM BOOM BOOM on her bed and then was out of the house before anyone would notice...

Wonderwoman said "What was that?"

Then the Invisible man said "I dont know but my ass is killing me!"


;D

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by bcollins

That fight was a debacle for Wlad. I think the Peter fight helped him get past it somewhat, but any time he gets a solid chin check, I find myself thinking that it's all over.

Brock has enough power to test Wlad's chin (stamina, whatever...I still think it's that he gets hit on the chin, it goes to his head and turns off his legs), but Brock doesn't have Peter's chin. He's gonna have to fight really, really smart to withstand Wlad's offense and find his opening.

Or he could just get lucky.

I still think Wlad takes this one, through superior boxing skill and power.

Oh yeah... CC's on this thread - good discussion!

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I think that Wlad's holding is a way to prevent that from happening. I still don't think its out of his head. But a ref needs to stop it. Because you can't intentionally grab a fighter away frm you by his arms and hold on till the ref breaks you just to prevent them from punching. I think thats illegal isn't it?

I like SH but that holding annoys the hell out of me.

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NOTHING is illegal until the ref says so.....

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Originally Posted by 1st rd ko

I predict that Wackos fingers will not have to go the distance. :lickish:


Wlad by ko rd 4-6

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If I start drinkin early...you might wanna change your prediction to : Wackos fingers won't go the distance. :lickish:

Heh heh heh. Two more hours to drinkin time...place your bets bitches! :drunks:

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by 1st rd ko

I predict that Wackos fingers will not have to go the distance. :lickish:


Wlad by ko rd 4-6

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If I start drinkin early...you might wanna change your prediction to : Wackos fingers won't go the distance. :lickish:

Heh heh heh. Two more hours to drinkin time...place your bets bitches! :drunks:

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cc again wacko for good work bro

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by 1st rd ko

I predict that Wackos fingers will not have to go the distance. :lickish:


Wlad by ko rd 4-6

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If I start drinkin early...you might wanna change your prediction to : Wackos fingers won't go the distance. :lickish:

Heh heh heh. Two more hours to drinkin time...place your bets bitches! :drunks:

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cc again wacko for good work bro

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:coolclick: back atcha babe.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by 1st rd ko

I predict that Wackos fingers will not have to go the distance. :lickish:


Wlad by ko rd 4-6

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If I start drinkin early...you might wanna change your prediction to : Wackos fingers won't go the distance. :lickish:

Heh heh heh. Two more hours to drinkin time...place your bets bitches! :drunks:

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Im on beer number three already,couldnt wait..... :alcoholic:

Steward on Klitschko:
“I’ve never trained a fighter so intense!”

Story and photos by David Greene

http://www.ufcfightnews.com/11-steward.htm

Hall of Fame trainer Emanuel Steward, who has directed the careers of such great champions as Thomas Hearns, Milton McCrory and Michael Moorer, sat down with a small group of reporters at the end of his six weeks with Wladimir Klitschko, at their secluded camp in the Pocono Mountains of Pennsylvania.

"I've probably never trained a fighter so intense with his training," Steward said about Klitschko.

“Nobody trains harder or more intense than Wladimir Klitschko. Five weeks of training with him is equivalent to almost three months with a normal fighter."

According to Steward, Klitschko begins his days with a morning training session that focuses on technique. Steward explained, "We just go and we talk and we work on moves and stop and discuss it."

A second two-hour session is held in the late afternoon and the day ends watching videos of Calvin Brock.

"Wladimir’s always in such great shape," says Steward. "In his last four fights, Wladimir has fought three undefeated fighters . . . which means he has not fought easy fights.

"Never, never, have I seen, or expected to see, anyone dominate Chris Byrd the way he did. And he didn't just beat Chris Byrd because he was bigger—the first fight he beat Chris Byrd because he was a big guy. This (second fight) fight he beat Chris by Chris' own admission, because he was just too fast."

On Briggs

Having recently been misquoted by saying Calvin Brock is an easier fight than Shannon Briggs, Steward shoots back with, "I never said that. I said it's much easier to prepare for a standard, good fighter than fight a guy like Shannon Briggs, who's a big kamikaze-type guy.

"As for Briggs, he knows he's not going to be in shape. He comes out and throws everything he's got for two or three rounds and then he says, 'If I don't knock you out, the hell with it.' And for any fighter, Whether it was (Muhammad) Ali, Joe Frazier or (George) Foreman, anyone, that's a dangerous type guy to fight for the first two or three rounds, including Lennox Lewis, as we found out. And that's when I said he was the most dangerous guy, because of his size and his style for the first two or three rounds.

On Brock

"In the fight with Calvin Brock, we have a guy who is a sound, basic fighter, not exceptional in one area. He's not a devastating puncher. Not a very fast, tricky guy, not a pressure guy. But when we looked at him and studied him very closely, the things we saw about him is first of all, he doesn't get hit much, he's got a pretty good defense in his own way, he picks punches off very well, and that's something that really impressed me was his defense.

"The next thing we looked at was he doesn't get tired. He has great stamina. His condition is something we definitely have to consider because he does not tire out, and the fact that he's been fairly active. Maybe he didn't look so good in his last fight against (Timor) Ibragimov... but you know that happens, I saw a guy named Cassius Clay have a very controversial, booed fight with a guy named Doug Jones-the next fight he beat Sonny Liston.

"But for this fight I think Brock is going to be up for the fight, he's got a good amateur background, and like most of these guys that Wladimir has fought lately, they have never lost. When a guy has never lost, he has a different mind-set, I think he's very confident, he wants to be a star, he feels that this is his opportunity.

“But there's still a lot of lingering doubts in people's minds about his chin and stamina and we are very much aware of that,” says Steward of Klitschko’s several knock-downs at the hands of Sam Peter and DaVarryl Williamson. "I have an explanation in my mind for each one of them. That's why it hasn't bothered me.

"I told Wladimir that what you are up against in this fight is not just trying to beat another undefeated fighter, but you’re really competing against your last performance. It was such a stellar performance with Byrd, well, how can you do anything better than that? I mean you just shut out one of the fastest and classiest boxers in modern time, and you beat him in speed and that's very difficult."

On Modern day fighters

Taking his own swing at modern day fighters, Steward then states, "What's happening with so many is they very seldom can put back to back, two good victories, every damn one of them. They have one victory and it goes to their head. (Antonio) Tarver beats a Roy Jones and it goes on and on... (Felix) Trinidad, all of them are the same way.

“They lose their focus and intensity and they’re getting tied up in so much of the media and the promotion and they think their bigger than they really are, because there are so many opportunities now that didn't exist for fighters, and everybody wants to be a promoter . . . and Wladimir Klitschko who, of all the fighters I've worked with, including Oscar De La Hoya, I don't think there is any fighter that has more outside business interests then this man has."

Steward predicts Klitschko will become, "a dominant force in the history of heavyweight champions . . . not only due to his athletic ability, but his desire and his intelligence to learn.”

“He he is totally focused on being a great boxer and it's a pleasure to work with a guy like that. If he's not in the room, I just go to the fitness room, he's down on the treadmill."

As for Saturday night’s fight, Steward remarks, “I think it’s going to be an interesting fight because Brock, as I said, is not that easy to hit. He has good stamina and I think his confidence level is still high. . . . For the first time you've got two intelligent, college educated guys who are fighting."

One Unified Champ

Looking down the road to one unified heavyweight champion, Steward predicts, "When the public demands and wants a match bad enough, the networks and promoters, and a lot of them will pretty much have to sit their asses down and just figure out how you're going to get your share of the money, and that's what happens.

"When this is over, Wladimir is the star of the heavyweight division and anybody that wants to make money, they’re going to have to fight Wladimir Klitschko."

PHOTO 1: Trainer Emanuel Steward speaks to reporters at the Wladimir Klitschko camp in the Pocono Mountains in Pennsylvania.

PHOTO 2: Emanuel Steward and heavyweight Wladimir Klitschko

PHOTO 3: At a question and answer session are (l-r): trainer Emanuel Steward, heavyweight champ Wladimir Klitschko and advisor Bern Bonte.

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Originally Posted by 1st rd ko

I predict that Wackos fingers will not have to go the distance. :lickish:


Wlad by ko rd 4-6

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If I start drinkin early...you might wanna change your prediction to : Wackos fingers won't go the distance. :lickish:

Heh heh heh. Two more hours to drinkin time...place your bets bitches! :drunks:

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Im on beer number three already,couldnt wait..... :alcoholic:

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Heh heh heh. Slow down babe...5-6 hours away & I'm pretty sure that they'll be replaying Baldo Mayweather for all the haters. ;D

suprised u didnt notice the joke wacko.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by 1st rd ko

I predict that Wackos fingers will not have to go the distance. :lickish:


Wlad by ko rd 4-6

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If I start drinkin early...you might wanna change your prediction to : Wackos fingers won't go the distance. :lickish:

Heh heh heh. Two more hours to drinkin time...place your bets bitches! :drunks:

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Im on beer number three already,couldnt wait..... :alcoholic:

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Heh heh heh. Slow down babe...5-6 hours away & I'm pretty sure that they'll be replaying Baldo Mayweather for all the haters. ;D

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Just ask Saddo not to ban me when I start posting complete and utter shat!

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Originally Posted by Lyle

They have been playing Brock-McCline on ESPN Classic all week and in that fight there are plenty of things we can take away from it.

#1 Calvin is a fast, talented fighter with good technique

#2 Calvin jabs sideways every now and then, especially when trying to go to the body. BAD NEWS when you consider his head is in perfect range for the right cross.

#3 Jameel McCline got in too close and smothered himself but at the same time the smaller Brock kept in good range and this is why Jameel got caught so often.

I think Calvin would be able to put up a good fight if his chin was better but honestly this fight doesn't bode well for him.

Wlad is the first true POWER PUNCHER Calvin has fought

Calvin is not faster or stronger than Wlad

To win, Brock is going to have to really be on his A game....Wlad just has to not have an off night to win

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CC. Short, accurate, and fair. The only the thing I'll add is this - Wlad is ONE mistake from getting the KTFO. Unfortunately, the same is true for Brock, and I think it's more likely Brock will make the mistake first, ie jabbing sideways to the body and eating a big classic right Klit-cross.

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Originally Posted by 1st rd ko

I predict that Wackos fingers will not have to go the distance. :lickish:


Wlad by ko rd 4-6

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If I start drinkin early...you might wanna change your prediction to : Wackos fingers won't go the distance. :lickish:

Heh heh heh. Two more hours to drinkin time...place your bets bitches! :drunks:

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Im on beer number three already,couldnt wait..... :alcoholic:

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Heh heh heh. Slow down babe...5-6 hours away & I'm pretty sure that they'll be replaying Baldo Mayweather for all the haters. ;D

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Just ask Saddo not to ban me when I start posting complete and utter shat!

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Heh heh heh.

Forum...you have been pre-warned. ;D

I was wonderinig if you guys could help me out by telling me if Klitschko vs. Brock is PPV. I've been looking all over and seem to be under the impression that it's not but I'm not 100% sure. My friend here at school has HBO but we don't have enough cash to cover a $50 PPV fee so unless it's free on HBO I won't be watching the fight. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by 1st rd ko

I predict that Wackos fingers will not have to go the distance. :lickish:


Wlad by ko rd 4-6

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If I start drinkin early...you might wanna change your prediction to : Wackos fingers won't go the distance. :lickish:

Heh heh heh. Two more hours to drinkin time...place your bets bitches! :drunks:

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Im on beer number three already,couldnt wait..... :alcoholic:

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Heh heh heh. Slow down babe...5-6 hours away & I'm pretty sure that they'll be replaying Baldo Mayweather for all the haters. ;D

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Just ask Saddo not to ban me when I start posting complete and utter shat!

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Heh heh heh.

Forum...you have been pre-warned. ;D

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Thanks Whack, Ill try and be cool as long as I can. :argue:

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CC. Short, accurate, and fair. The only the thing I'll add is this - Wlad is ONE mistake from getting the KTFO. Unfortunately, the same is true for Brock, and I think it's more likely Brock will make the mistake first, ie jabbing sideways to the body and eating a big classic right Klit-cross.

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Pretty much everyone is one mistake from getting KO'd at heavyweight....the only exceptions

Prime
Vitali Klitschko
David Tua
Ray Mercer
Oliver McCall
Riddick Bowe
George Chuvalo


I doubt Brock has the power to get the one punch KO, he'd have to hurt Wlad and then follow up big

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CC. Short, accurate, and fair. The only the thing I'll add is this - Wlad is ONE mistake from getting the KTFO. Unfortunately, the same is true for Brock, and I think it's more likely Brock will make the mistake first, ie jabbing sideways to the body and eating a big classic right Klit-cross.

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Pretty much everyone is one mistake from getting KO'd at heavyweight....the only exceptions

Prime
Vitali Klitschko
David Tua
Ray Mercer
Oliver McCall
Riddick Bowe
George Chuvalo


I doubt Brock has the power to get the one punch KO, he'd have to hurt Wlad and then follow up big

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plus prime ali and rocky marciano i dont know about vitali he wasnt in with biggest punchers

Hey wacko sup!!!

Are you going to the Chats tonight? or gonna keep the classic good old stuff?

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

plus prime ali and rocky marciano i dont know about vitali he wasnt in with biggest punchers

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Lennox Lewis, Corey Sanders

Those guys could crack!

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plus prime ali and rocky marciano i dont know about vitali he wasnt in with biggest punchers

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Lennox Lewis, Corey Sanders

Those guys could crack!

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oh yea im not saying they cant but tua mccall tyson are real hard punchers would of been interesting to of seen vitali take there punches and see how he would of reacted

Well Lennox hit him with everything but the kitchen sink and didn't really hurt him all that bad

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CC. Short, accurate, and fair. The only the thing I'll add is this - Wlad is ONE mistake from getting the KTFO. Unfortunately, the same is true for Brock, and I think it's more likely Brock will make the mistake first, ie jabbing sideways to the body and eating a big classic right Klit-cross.

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Pretty much everyone is one mistake from getting KO'd at heavyweight....the only exceptions

Prime
Vitali Klitschko
David Tua
Ray Mercer
Oliver McCall
Riddick Bowe
George Chuvalo


I doubt Brock has the power to get the one punch KO, he'd have to hurt Wlad and then follow up big

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plus prime ali and rocky marciano i dont know about vitali he wasnt in with biggest punchers

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Ali was praised for his speed but had a great chin as well and was never floored for the count. Marciano's called "The Rock" by a couple of people for a reason. Those were good to add. Chuvalo's never been floored ever so thats a given. If brock has more power than i give him credit for, this fight could very well change on 1 punch from either guy.

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Hey wacko sup!!!

Are you going to the Chats tonight? or gonna keep the classic good old stuff?

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Nah babe...I'll be right here doing me thang. ;D

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suprised u didnt notice the joke wacko.

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What joke? This one:

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Originally Posted by Majesty

Superman was done fighting crime for the day and wondering if he could hang out with the rest of the superheroes.

He went to see Aqua man and said "Hey Aquaman want to hang out?"

Aquaman said "No I got to watch the fishes."

Superman went to Batman and Robin and said "Hey guys, want to hang out?"

And they said "No, we got to watch the bat cave."

So he went to Wonderwoman's house and looked through her window and he saw her buck naked on the bed just irmin and squirmin and movin and Superman thought to himself "Dang.. well I'm faster then a speeding bullet, I wonder if I could get in there and do my thing before she notices I was there."

So he thinks for a while then decides to do it.

So he goes WHOOOSH in her room and BOOM BOOM BOOM on her bed and then was out of the house before anyone would notice...

Wonderwoman said "What was that?"

Then the Invisible man said "I dont know but my a** is killing me!"


;D

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Oldy...but still a bit of a goody. ;D :coolclick:

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I have never been wrong.

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Woo Hoo ... you're my 'go-to' resource from here on out.

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suprised u didnt notice the joke wacko.

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What joke? This one:

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Originally Posted by Majesty

Superman was done fighting crime for the day and wondering if he could hang out with the rest of the superheroes.

He went to see Aqua man and said "Hey Aquaman want to hang out?"

Aquaman said "No I got to watch the fishes."

Superman went to Batman and Robin and said "Hey guys, want to hang out?"

And they said "No, we got to watch the bat cave."

So he went to Wonderwoman's house and looked through her window and he saw her buck naked on the bed just irmin and squirmin and movin and Superman thought to himself "Dang.. well I'm faster then a speeding bullet, I wonder if I could get in there and do my thing before she notices I was there."

So he thinks for a while then decides to do it.

So he goes WHOOOSH in her room and BOOM BOOM BOOM on her bed and then was out of the house before anyone would notice...

Wonderwoman said "What was that?"

Then the Invisible man said "I dont know but my a** is killing me!"


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Oldy...but still a bit of a goody. ;D :coolclick:

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reminds me of one I saw in Playboy many years ago ... Superman sitting beside a very unhappy-looking woman in bed. She's scowling, and he's smoking a cigarette, saying "I told you I was faster than a speeding bullet ..."

which brings to mind ... what's more wasted - $50 on a 12-round PPV like PBF-Tata, or a $50 PPV like Tyson-Golata, where the latter refuses to come out for round 3, or, finally, a $50 PPV where the fight is decided at 49 seconds of round 1 by KO?