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Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
I'm watch the Peter Klitschko fight & Peter did damned well against Wlad, IWO.
Everyone focuses on him hitting Wlad behind the head to score the knockdowns...the first one it was on the back of the head...the second one was a right hand that clocked him on the top of the head.
The thing is...Wlad was doing a massive amount of ducking & leaning & holding making some of Peter's shots go wrong.
One thing that Peter did well in this fight was his body work. Damn bwoy he tore up his body with left hooks.
Also...very impressed with the fact that Peter took every flush right that Wlad threw.
Win, lose, or draw tonight...fwockit...I like big Sam.
**Note that I refuse to say "I like Peter" based on the fact that someone here (CuteMick) would turn that into..."Wacko loves Dick" or "Wacko loves Richard Noggin".
Oh gotdam...I did it meself. What can I say...I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE PETER!!!! Heh heh heh.
I was watching that fight yesterday. And I taught it was a disappointing performance by Peter. The first knock down was to the back of the head and the second was more of a push down. The only legit knock down was the third. While I did noticed his body work, I also noticed that most of his punches to the body were lunging shots. They weren't digging shots. If they were he would of broke a rib with the amount of shots he was landing. And I'm starting to wonder if Peter even knows how to nod his head cuz he had no head movement what's so ever. His chin is strong but it can only take so much. As is evident by the 12th round wobble Wlad made him do.
My thing is this...Wlad is one of the more accomplished legit heavies, Toney is one of the better boxers of the last 10 to 15 years, & for Peter to catch as much criticism as he does...I think that it's just a bit harsh because he hung pretty well with them both.
It's just there making Peter out to be this monster. When it's clear he's just a puncher. And nothing more
Agreed...but theyr'e just trying to generate the buzz for the fat men.
Look at it like this though...could you imagine Peter if he just gave in & brought a worthy trainer into his stable?
Peter has room to grow & he is improving...I'd love to see him molded into a machine.
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Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
I'm watch the Peter Klitschko fight & Peter did damned well against Wlad, IWO.
Everyone focuses on him hitting Wlad behind the head to score the knockdowns...the first one it was on the back of the head...the second one was a right hand that clocked him on the top of the head.
The thing is...Wlad was doing a massive amount of ducking & leaning & holding making some of Peter's shots go wrong.
One thing that Peter did well in this fight was his body work. Damn bwoy he tore up his body with left hooks.
Also...very impressed with the fact that Peter took every flush right that Wlad threw.
Win, lose, or draw tonight...fwockit...I like big Sam.
**Note that I refuse to say "I like Peter" based on the fact that someone here (CuteMick) would turn that into..."Wacko loves Dick" or "Wacko loves Richard Noggin".
Oh gotdam...I did it meself. What can I say...I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE PETER!!!! Heh heh heh.
I was watching that fight yesterday. And I taught it was a disappointing performance by Peter. The first knock down was to the back of the head and the second was more of a push down. The only legit knock down was the third. While I did noticed his body work, I also noticed that most of his punches to the body were lunging shots. They weren't digging shots. If they were he would of broke a rib with the amount of shots he was landing. And I'm starting to wonder if Peter even knows how to nod his head cuz he had no head movement what's so ever. His chin is strong but it can only take so much. As is evident by the 12th round wobble Wlad made him do.
My thing is this...Wlad is one of the more accomplished legit heavies, Toney is one of the better boxers of the last 10 to 15 years, & for Peter to catch as much criticism as he does...I think that it's just a bit harsh because he hung pretty well with them both.
It's just there making Peter out to be this monster. When it's clear he's just a puncher. And nothing more
Agreed...but theyr'e just trying to generate the buzz for the fat men.
Look at it like this though...could you imagine Peter if he just gave in & brought a worthy trainer into his stable?
Peter has room to grow & he is improving...I'd love to see him molded into a machine.
It wouldn't be a bad thing. But I think it's a little to late. He's in love with his power. And i don't blame him. But it's obvious it's not enough.
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Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
I'm watch the Peter Klitschko fight & Peter did damned well against Wlad, IWO.
Everyone focuses on him hitting Wlad behind the head to score the knockdowns...the first one it was on the back of the head...the second one was a right hand that clocked him on the top of the head.
The thing is...Wlad was doing a massive amount of ducking & leaning & holding making some of Peter's shots go wrong.
One thing that Peter did well in this fight was his body work. Damn bwoy he tore up his body with left hooks.
Also...very impressed with the fact that Peter took every flush right that Wlad threw.
Win, lose, or draw tonight...fwockit...I like big Sam.
**Note that I refuse to say "I like Peter" based on the fact that someone here (CuteMick) would turn that into..."Wacko loves Dick" or "Wacko loves Richard Noggin".
Oh gotdam...I did it meself. What can I say...I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE PETER!!!! Heh heh heh.
I was watching that fight yesterday. And I taught it was a disappointing performance by Peter. The first knock down was to the back of the head and the second was more of a push down. The only legit knock down was the third. While I did noticed his body work, I also noticed that most of his punches to the body were lunging shots. They weren't digging shots. If they were he would of broke a rib with the amount of shots he was landing. And I'm starting to wonder if Peter even knows how to nod his head cuz he had no head movement what's so ever. His chin is strong but it can only take so much. As is evident by the 12th round wobble Wlad made him do.
My thing is this...Wlad is one of the more accomplished legit heavies, Toney is one of the better boxers of the last 10 to 15 years, & for Peter to catch as much criticism as he does...I think that it's just a bit harsh because he hung pretty well with them both.
It's just there making Peter out to be this monster. When it's clear he's just a puncher. And nothing more
Agreed...but theyr'e just trying to generate the buzz for the fat men.
Look at it like this though...could you imagine Peter if he just gave in & brought a worthy trainer into his stable?
Peter has room to grow & he is improving...I'd love to see him molded into a machine.
I don't think he's going to improve that much. The least he can do is knock out James Toney but I don't see him beating anyone else if Wladimer is the main in the division Peter won't beat him. Peter can look different but if his craft is the same he'll get taken apart the same way by a more in shape Toney.
Peter could beat Maskaev. But I really don't like Peter the way I used to.
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Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Look at it like this though...could you imagine Peter if he just gave in & brought a worthy trainer into his stable?
Peter has room to grow & he is improving...I'd love to see him molded into a machine.
It wouldn't be a bad thing. But I think it's a little to late. He's in love with his power. And i don't blame him. But it's obvious it's not enough.
You really don't think that he could improve? Steward was able to turn Wlad into a velcro-munky this late in his career...I honestly think that with a trainer...Peter could be hell.
Maybe your'e right...but Peter just seems so raw...I just think that he could be sorted out rather easily. Maybe I'm wrong...but we'll probably never see...if he loses tonight...everyone will write him off.
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Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
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Originally Posted by Starr
I don't think he's going to improve that much. The least he can do is knock out James Toney but I don't see him beating anyone else if Wladimer is the main in the division Peter won't beat him. Peter can look different but if his craft is the same he'll get taken apart the same way by a more in shape Toney.
He won't improve without some serious help.
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Originally Posted by Starr
Peter could beat Maskaev. But I really don't like Peter the way I used to.
Yeah...I think that he could take Maskaev apart, too.
For some reason...I've just really gotten hooked on Peter ( :blow: Heh heh heh) lately & I want to see him make it. I think that he could bring a lot of excitement back to the division...we shall see.
Glad your'e back Sugar Puss...if only for a night here & there. :coolclick:
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Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
anyone know how much weight peter lost for this fight?
I think that adds a bit more speed, more speed means better accuracy. and peters not yet controlled power needs just that accuracy.
leads me to think peter wins tonight by k.o.
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Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
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Originally Posted by BoxingGod
anyone know how much weight peter lost for this fight?
I think that adds a bit more speed, more speed means better accuracy. and peters not yet controlled power needs just that accuracy.
leads me to think peter wins tonight by k.o.
He lost eight lbs.
Better accuracy will ko JT. Otherwise I see a UD for JT.
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Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
Okay guys...it is that time of the evening again when the ignorant Brit (in this case, me) asks how long until the RBR's start? Also, will we have Jose Rivera v TRavis Simms first, or is it just the main event?
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Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
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Originally Posted by 1st rd ko
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Originally Posted by BoxingGod
anyone know how much weight peter lost for this fight?
I think that adds a bit more speed, more speed means better accuracy. and peters not yet controlled power needs just that accuracy.
leads me to think peter wins tonight by k.o.
He lost eight lbs.
Better accuracy will ko JT. Otherwise I see a UD for JT.
:coolclick: I drunkenly tried to do the math from memory of his last weight...I was off by ten sloppily sauced L-B's. ;D :alcoholic:
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Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
Okay guys...it is that time of the evening again when the ignorant Brit (in this case, me) asks how long until the RBR's start? Also, will we have Jose Rivera v TRavis Simms first, or is it just the main event?
I thought the SP v JT fight was at 10pm ET.
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Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
Ty for the heads up....so here's one in return. Roman Karmazin TKO'd the other James 'Obede' Toney in 2:05 of round 4 in his fight on the undercard...i guess that just leaves Simms v Rivera and the main event.
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Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
Okay guys...it is that time of the evening again when the ignorant Brit (in this case, me) asks how long until the RBR's start? Also, will we have Jose Rivera v TRavis Simms first, or is it just the main event?
About another 15 minutes or so.
If eveyrone wants me to cover the televised undercard I will...otherwise...it's chips & salsa & shots for me...but that's all up to you girls.
Anyone want the undercard covered? Speak now or forever hold your pieces...cause I sure as shat aint holdin em for ya's! ;D
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Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
beer for tco... maby pizza
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Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by 1st rd ko
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Originally Posted by BoxingGod
anyone know how much weight peter lost for this fight?
I think that adds a bit more speed, more speed means better accuracy. and peters not yet controlled power needs just that accuracy.
leads me to think peter wins tonight by k.o.
He lost eight lbs.
Better accuracy will ko JT. Otherwise I see a UD for JT.
:coolclick: I drunkenly tried to do the math from memory of his last weight...I was off by ten sloppily sauced L-B's. ;D :alcoholic:
I'm getting there. I'm pretty well lit. Going for the drunkness now. To show I ain't bias against the British, It's pure Tanqueray tonight.
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Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
YEAH cover the travis simms n rivera fight please
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Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
Okay guys...it is that time of the evening again when the ignorant Brit (in this case, me) asks how long until the RBR's start? Also, will we have Jose Rivera v TRavis Simms first, or is it just the main event?
About another 15 minutes or so.
If eveyrone wants me to cover the televised undercard I will...otherwise...it's chips & salsa & shots for me...but that's all up to you girls.
Anyone want the undercard covered? Speak now or forever hold your pieces...cause I sure as shat aint holdin em for ya's! ;D
This is WDRBR? Or am I on the wrong site? :P
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Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
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Originally Posted by ELBI16
YEAH cover the travis simms n rivera fight please
No need for politeness babe...Wacko is but your humble servant.
Undercard it is then. Cheers.
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Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
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Originally Posted by 1st rd ko
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
Okay guys...it is that time of the evening again when the ignorant Brit (in this case, me) asks how long until the RBR's start? Also, will we have Jose Rivera v TRavis Simms first, or is it just the main event?
About another 15 minutes or so.
If eveyrone wants me to cover the televised undercard I will...otherwise...it's chips & salsa & shots for me...but that's all up to you girls.
Anyone want the undercard covered? Speak now or forever hold your pieces...cause I sure as shat aint holdin em for ya's! ;D
This is WDRBR? Or am I on the wrong site? :P
This is the forum's round by round...Wacko just makes it drunk. Your'e not on the wrong site...or are you? :-* ;)
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Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
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Originally Posted by ELBI16
ok thanks wack O0
Your'e most welcome my brother.
That being said...welcome to the forum. Have the Obligatory Wacko Welcome Wagon :coolclick:
May your time here be as good to you as it has been to all of us. Welcome home.
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Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by 1st rd ko
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
Okay guys...it is that time of the evening again when the ignorant Brit (in this case, me) asks how long until the RBR's start? Also, will we have Jose Rivera v TRavis Simms first, or is it just the main event?
About another 15 minutes or so.
If eveyrone wants me to cover the televised undercard I will...otherwise...it's chips & salsa & shots for me...but that's all up to you girls.
Anyone want the undercard covered? Speak now or forever hold your pieces...cause I sure as shat aint holdin em for ya's! ;D
This is WDRBR? Or am I on the wrong site? :P
This is the forum's round by round...Wacko just makes it drunk. Your'e not on the wrong site...or are you? :-* ;)
Somehow I got redirected from animalporn.org to wacks DRBR...
Hmmmmmmmmmm................................
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Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by ELBI16
YEAH cover the travis simms n rivera fight please
No need for politeness babe...Wacko is but your humble servant.
Undercard it is then. Cheers.
Cover the fucking fight for the British homies overseas. If you know what's best for you. That better Wack.
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Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by ELBI16
YEAH cover the travis simms n rivera fight please
No need for politeness babe...Wacko is but your humble servant.
Undercard it is then. Cheers.
Cover the F****** fight for the British homies overseas. If you know what's best for you. That better Wack.
So violent...so bitter...so...expectedly YOU. :coolclick:
Yes bitch...that is better. Heh heh heh.
It's on the start my brothers & sisters. Fight night is here! Sit back, peel your little eye balls, & get ready to read some drunken key strokes it's fight night in Florida!!!
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Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by ELBI16
YEAH cover the travis simms n rivera fight please
No need for politeness babe...Wacko is but your humble servant.
Undercard it is then. Cheers.
Cover the F****** fight for the British homies overseas. If you know what's best for you. That better Wack.
Violent D: P4P most polite poster on Saddo... ;D :-X :lickish:
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Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by ELBI16
YEAH cover the travis simms n rivera fight please
No need for politeness babe...Wacko is but your humble servant.
Undercard it is then. Cheers.
Cover the F****** fight for the British homies overseas. If you know what's best for you. That better Wack.
So violent...so bitter...so...expectedly YOU. :coolclick:
Yes bitch...that is better. Heh heh heh.
It's on the start my brothers & sisters. Fight night is here! Sit back, peel your little eye balls, & get ready to read some drunken key strokes it's fight night in Florida!!!
Spell chech wack, spell check. makes my post look sober.
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Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
Does Sam Peter star in an off Broadway Musical in his spare time?...Anyone notice the shirt?.....If he wasn't as big and hit as hard as he does I would make fun of him :-\
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Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by ELBI16
YEAH cover the travis simms n rivera fight please
No need for politeness babe...Wacko is but your humble servant.
Undercard it is then. Cheers.
Cover the F****** fight for the British homies overseas. If you know what's best for you. That better Wack.
So violent...so bitter...so...expectedly YOU. :coolclick:
Yes bitch...that is better. Heh heh heh.
It's on the start my brothers & sisters. Fight night is here! Sit back, peel your little eye balls, & get ready to read some drunken key strokes it's fight night in Florida!!!
Spell chech wack, spell check. makes my post look sober.
Sober?
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Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
Toney was just crying over the decision. Peter looks good & seems calm, cool, & collected...I hope he knocks Toney's fucking head off.
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Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
AS I'm at home, without any beer...damn resolutions...I've been a little creative, and written a little poem for you, on the great JFAT. To the tune of any football chant:
He's fat, he's round he thinks he's pound for pound, he's James Toneeeey, James Toneeeey.
He's mean, he's rude, he shuts up when there's food he's James Toneeeey, James Toneeey.
He's short, he's old, he dreams of HW gold, he's James Toneeeey, James Toneeeey.
(Sadly couldn't squeeze in rhymes for Peter, Klitschko, Valuev or pomegranet, so any suggestions welcomed ;)
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Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
*ding* fucking *ding* lets go! wack
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Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Toney was just crying over the decision. Peter looks good & seems calm, cool, & collected...I hope he knocks Toney's F****** head off.
I honestly thought SP won that fight. Anyone notice the dramatic drop in the use of the name "J-FAT" on Saddo? Do we have some new fans (wacko)?
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Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
AS I'm at home, without any beer...damn resolutions...I've been a little creative, and written a little poem for you, on the great JFAT. To the tune of any football chant:
He's fat, he's round he thinks he's pound for pound, he's James Toneeeey, James Toneeeey.
He's mean, he's rude, he shuts up when there's food he's James Toneeeey, James Toneeey.
He's short, he's old, he dreams of HW gold, he's James Toneeeey, James Toneeeey.
(Sadly couldn't squeeze in rhymes for Peter, Klitschko, Valuev or pomegranet, so any suggestions welcomed ;)
He's big, he's dumb, All his all his wins are over bums he's Niiicolay, Niicolay
OK :-[ Not as dumb as me for actually sitting here trying to help make up this poem while singing out loud ??? ???
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Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
good evening one and all (good morning to those in the queen's country).
i'm psyched for this one. on the one side, raw power and youth against a man with whom age and the burgers have to at some point catch up. on the other side, a truly savvy and skilled boxer who is also a warrior and deserves much credit for doing what he is doing/trying to do at heavy.
wacko, may you get to heaven a half our before the devil knows your dead.
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Jose Antonio Rivera (43 fights, 38 wins with 24 ko's, 1 draw, & 4 losses) vs Travis Simms (24 fights with 18 ko's & 0 losses) Round 1: Here we go. Bell!!! Rivera & Simms exchange jabs to start. Body shot by Simms. BOth look a bit stiff. Nice left hand by Simms. Simms being a bit more effective wiht the jab. Nothing much happening here other than SImms backing out & RIvera jabbing the body. 1-2 by Simms snaps Rivera's neck. Nice. Three left hands straight down the pipe. Rivera didn't like that. Simms pushes Rivera down. Body shot by Rivera. Left hand from Simms again. Clench.
Round to Simms.
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Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
Simms is fast man, my boy Rivera will have to dig deep again it looks.
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Jose Antonio Rivera (43 fights, 38 wins with 24 ko's, 1 draw, & 4 losses) vs Travis Simms (24 fights with 18 ko's & 0 losses) Round 2: Rivera first on the exchage with the jab. Nice left from Simms again. Rivera getting beaten to the punch here. Lef tto the body & a right hook to the body by Simms. Simms coming off as the more calm & accurate of the two. Rivera just took a huge 1-2 & down he goes. Push. RIght ahnd A& then two lefts & Simms is all over him!!! Rivera is bleeding badly. Simms all over him. Knockdown saved by the ropes. 8 count. Simms comes back out swinging. Left hand from RIvera. Straight left hand from Simms again. 1-2-3 from Simms again. He's switched to a leftie also. Lef thand from RIvera. Simms is pretty much letting him offa the hook. WTF? Right hand & then another left. Body shot by Simms & the clench to the bell.
Huge round for Simms.
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Simms is fast man, my boy Rivera will have to dig deep again it looks.
Rivera is frozen it seems like
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Jose Antonio Rivera (43 fights, 38 wins with 24 ko's, 1 draw, & 4 losses) vs Travis Simms (24 fights with 18 ko's & 0 losses) Round 3: Rivera coming out jabbing first & Simms bust his with the right & then a left straight down the pipe. Trading jabs again. Rivera more cautious now. Left hand & then a right by Simms. Rivera eats two lefts again. RIvera comes in with a right hand. Nothing on it. Simms jabbing. Straight right by RIvera. Simms jabbing. Lef thand lands for Simms again. Two straight lefts & a right hook on the einside by Simms. Lef thand again stuns RIvera. CLench. 1-2 & then a body shot by Simms. Rivera covers up from a Simms barage. Nailed him with that left @ the bell agian.
Round to Simms.
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Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
Rivera has excellent composure, he was nearly out in the 2nd and came out and IMO took the 3rd with great rangy boxing. 29-27 Simms.