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I hope thats true,he could certainly provide for many more good fights! What did you think of his fight with Baldo Sweetpea? I ask because I was hugely dissappointed,I was seeking a boxing masterclass against a limited opponent and got that! You think the Oscar fight will be the same?
I thought thru the first 5 or 6 rounds, Mayweather was delivering a masterful boxing performance. Speed/finesse fighting at its best. Ring generalship, effective punches, defense, the works. Some people will never like that style, but if you like the sweet science aspect of the sport, then you liked what you saw.
I thought he shut it down over the second half of the fight and basically ran out the clock. Whether that was because he hurt his hand like he said he did, or whether he just wanted to play it extra safe, I don't know the reason. But his strategy definitely changed.
He still won every round, but he didn't win the last 6 in the same impressive manner that he won the first 6.
As for the DLH fight, I expect it to be a technical chessmatch, which may bore some fans. One thing you have to realize is that DLH is supposed to be the puncher in this fight, and that is a role he's never felt comfortable in.
DLH is instinctively a boxer, not a brawler. His best performances in big fights were the first 9 rounds vs. Trinidad and then the performance against Vargas. In those fights, he had to be the technical boxer, because Trinidad and Vargas were bigger punchers. DLH feels most comfortable in that role and he can fight extremely well when he's in that situation.
He does not feel comfortable playing the role of the strong puncher chasing around a faster opponent. Against Pernell Whitaker (who is a good comparison for Floyd), DLH was supposed to be the strong puncher who could overpower the smaller faster Whitaker. He doesn't feel comfortable doing that. Instead, he was tentative and tried to box with Whitaker, and it turned into an ugly technical fight. I'm not even arguing over who won. Even the people who thought DLH beat Whitaker had to admit that he didn't look good doing it.
Interesting thing you said about Floyd shutting it down in the second half of the Baldo fight which I didn't stick around for. If my memory serves me right, Zab dominated Baldo up until the seventh when he got caught. You think that had anything to do with it?
Ill answer that. NO. Judah was put on queer street and completely ran the rest of the fight, the difference being( for those who would like to say Floyd did nothing but run), that Judah lost every round after he got hurt. Floyd never got hurt, and never lost 1 round. Comparison ends there.
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Re: Mayweather runs his mouth wreckless again.
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Originally Posted by p4pking
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
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I hope thats true,he could certainly provide for many more good fights! What did you think of his fight with Baldo Sweetpea? I ask because I was hugely dissappointed,I was seeking a boxing masterclass against a limited opponent and got that! You think the Oscar fight will be the same?
I thought thru the first 5 or 6 rounds, Mayweather was delivering a masterful boxing performance. Speed/finesse fighting at its best. Ring generalship, effective punches, defense, the works. Some people will never like that style, but if you like the sweet science aspect of the sport, then you liked what you saw.
I thought he shut it down over the second half of the fight and basically ran out the clock. Whether that was because he hurt his hand like he said he did, or whether he just wanted to play it extra safe, I don't know the reason. But his strategy definitely changed.
He still won every round, but he didn't win the last 6 in the same impressive manner that he won the first 6.
As for the DLH fight, I expect it to be a technical chessmatch, which may bore some fans. One thing you have to realize is that DLH is supposed to be the puncher in this fight, and that is a role he's never felt comfortable in.
DLH is instinctively a boxer, not a brawler. His best performances in big fights were the first 9 rounds vs. Trinidad and then the performance against Vargas. In those fights, he had to be the technical boxer, because Trinidad and Vargas were bigger punchers. DLH feels most comfortable in that role and he can fight extremely well when he's in that situation.
He does not feel comfortable playing the role of the strong puncher chasing around a faster opponent. Against Pernell Whitaker (who is a good comparison for Floyd), DLH was supposed to be the strong puncher who could overpower the smaller faster Whitaker. He doesn't feel comfortable doing that. Instead, he was tentative and tried to box with Whitaker, and it turned into an ugly technical fight. I'm not even arguing over who won. Even the people who thought DLH beat Whitaker had to admit that he didn't look good doing it.
Interesting thing you said about Floyd shutting it down in the second half of the Baldo fight which I didn't stick around for. If my memory serves me right, Zab dominated Baldo up until the seventh when he got caught. You think that had anything to do with it?
Ill answer that. NO. Judah was put on queer street and completely ran the rest of the fight, the difference being( for those who would like to say Floyd did nothing but run), that Judah lost every round after he got hurt. Floyd never got hurt, and never lost 1 round. Comparison ends there.
Obviously you misunderstood the question. I was asking if anyone though he ran so doesn't get caught like Judah did when he had the fight in the bag.
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Re: Mayweather runs his mouth wreckless again.
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
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Originally Posted by p4pking
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
I hope thats true,he could certainly provide for many more good fights! What did you think of his fight with Baldo Sweetpea? I ask because I was hugely dissappointed,I was seeking a boxing masterclass against a limited opponent and got that! You think the Oscar fight will be the same?
I thought thru the first 5 or 6 rounds, Mayweather was delivering a masterful boxing performance. Speed/finesse fighting at its best. Ring generalship, effective punches, defense, the works. Some people will never like that style, but if you like the sweet science aspect of the sport, then you liked what you saw.
I thought he shut it down over the second half of the fight and basically ran out the clock. Whether that was because he hurt his hand like he said he did, or whether he just wanted to play it extra safe, I don't know the reason. But his strategy definitely changed.
He still won every round, but he didn't win the last 6 in the same impressive manner that he won the first 6.
As for the DLH fight, I expect it to be a technical chessmatch, which may bore some fans. One thing you have to realize is that DLH is supposed to be the puncher in this fight, and that is a role he's never felt comfortable in.
DLH is instinctively a boxer, not a brawler. His best performances in big fights were the first 9 rounds vs. Trinidad and then the performance against Vargas. In those fights, he had to be the technical boxer, because Trinidad and Vargas were bigger punchers. DLH feels most comfortable in that role and he can fight extremely well when he's in that situation.
He does not feel comfortable playing the role of the strong puncher chasing around a faster opponent. Against Pernell Whitaker (who is a good comparison for Floyd), DLH was supposed to be the strong puncher who could overpower the smaller faster Whitaker. He doesn't feel comfortable doing that. Instead, he was tentative and tried to box with Whitaker, and it turned into an ugly technical fight. I'm not even arguing over who won. Even the people who thought DLH beat Whitaker had to admit that he didn't look good doing it.
Interesting thing you said about Floyd shutting it down in the second half of the Baldo fight which I didn't stick around for. If my memory serves me right, Zab dominated Baldo up until the seventh when he got caught. You think that had anything to do with it?
Ill answer that. NO. Judah was put on queer street and completely ran the rest of the fight, the difference being( for those who would like to say Floyd did nothing but run), that Judah lost every round after he got hurt. Floyd never got hurt, and never lost 1 round. Comparison ends there.
Obviously you misunderstood the question. I was asking if anyone though he ran so doesn't get caught like Judah did when he had the fight in the bag.
No I think it could be likened to a any other sport like Football, Baseball, Basketball.. when teams get comfortably ahead they let off the gas and take out there stars and key players as to not risk injury... If Baldo had a remote chance than I'm sure Floyd would have been more engaging...
From the 1st round when Floyd cut Baldo up it was apparent he would never be in the fight he was getting peppered frequently and couldnt catch Floyd.... Also if you remember, I think it was in the 3rd round when the camera panned into Baldomir's corner he had his head hanging down and when he looked up you could see in his eyes he was already defeated... Not nut hugging at all, if you look at the video you can see.
Floyd fought a good fight against a bigger guy he executed to perfection and whether you think its exciting or not, technically there was 0 fault in the gameplan. it takes two in a fight if Baldo was that limited than thats his problem not Floyds. You know what I mean ?
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if it takes two to fight then Floyd will never be in one
The Baldomir fight was a farce! Floyd had done more work in training than he did in that fight. He ran, he didn't throw many combinations, he sat back and played defense vs a guy with no offense.
Floyd outclassed Carlos but he didn't emphasize it with punching or anything exciting
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if it takes two to fight then Floyd will never be in one
Again Lyle what will it take for you.... I bring up Willie Pep cause he was the 1st to admid he was a hit and run expertise... Then you say there is no comparison to Pep because level of opp, now Floyd is fighting THE BEST in the world at 154... Whats the Scrutiny now??? it will never end, when your the best you get scutinized till you retire then people become all misty eyed and nostalgic and say boy the new breed of fighters arent as good as__________<(insert name) happens in every sport on some level.
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
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I hope thats true,he could certainly provide for many more good fights! What did you think of his fight with Baldo Sweetpea? I ask because I was hugely dissappointed,I was seeking a boxing masterclass against a limited opponent and got that! You think the Oscar fight will be the same?
I thought thru the first 5 or 6 rounds, Mayweather was delivering a masterful boxing performance. Speed/finesse fighting at its best. Ring generalship, effective punches, defense, the works. Some people will never like that style, but if you like the sweet science aspect of the sport, then you liked what you saw.
I thought he shut it down over the second half of the fight and basically ran out the clock. Whether that was because he hurt his hand like he said he did, or whether he just wanted to play it extra safe, I don't know the reason. But his strategy definitely changed.
He still won every round, but he didn't win the last 6 in the same impressive manner that he won the first 6.
As for the DLH fight, I expect it to be a technical chessmatch, which may bore some fans. One thing you have to realize is that DLH is supposed to be the puncher in this fight, and that is a role he's never felt comfortable in.
DLH is instinctively a boxer, not a brawler. His best performances in big fights were the first 9 rounds vs. Trinidad and then the performance against Vargas. In those fights, he had to be the technical boxer, because Trinidad and Vargas were bigger punchers. DLH feels most comfortable in that role and he can fight extremely well when he's in that situation.
He does not feel comfortable playing the role of the strong puncher chasing around a faster opponent. Against Pernell Whitaker (who is a good comparison for Floyd), DLH was supposed to be the strong puncher who could overpower the smaller faster Whitaker. He doesn't feel comfortable doing that. Instead, he was tentative and tried to box with Whitaker, and it turned into an ugly technical fight. I'm not even arguing over who won. Even the people who thought DLH beat Whitaker had to admit that he didn't look good doing it.
Interesting thing you said about Floyd shutting it down in the second half of the Baldo fight which I didn't stick around for. If my memory serves me right, Zab dominated Baldo up until the seventh when he got caught. You think that had anything to do with it?
Ill answer that. NO. Judah was put on queer street and completely ran the rest of the fight, the difference being( for those who would like to say Floyd did nothing but run), that Judah lost every round after he got hurt. Floyd never got hurt, and never lost 1 round. Comparison ends there.
Obviously you misunderstood the question. I was asking if anyone though he ran so doesn't get caught like Judah did when he had the fight in the bag.
No I think it could be likened to a any other sport like Football, Baseball, Basketball.. when teams get comfortably ahead they let off the gas and take out there stars and key players as to not risk injury... If Baldo had a remote chance than I'm sure Floyd would have been more engaging...
From the 1st round when Floyd cut Baldo up it was apparent he would never be in the fight he was getting peppered frequently and couldnt catch Floyd.... Also if you remember, I think it was in the 3rd round when the camera panned into Baldomir's corner he had his head hanging down and when he looked up you could see in his eyes he was already defeated... Not nut hugging at all, if you look at the video you can see.
Floyd fought a good fight against a bigger guy he executed to perfection and whether you think its exciting or not, technically there was 0 fault in the gameplan. it takes two in a fight if Baldo was that limited than thats his problem not Floyds. You know what I mean ?
I know what you mean but if Baldo is that limited then why didn't Floyd take on a real challenge. That's been the argument all along. People saying that he should fight Baldo cause he is the real WW champ when he clearly was far from the best fight out there for Floyd but all the PBF fans defended his decision when it was clear he was looking for an easy fight. I don't understand how his fans don't feel cheated. I mean, if I was a fan of his I would feel like he's insulting my intelligence saying one thing and doing the other like I'm not paying attention.
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Originally Posted by Lyle
if it takes two to fight then Floyd will never be in one
Again Lyle what will it take for you.... I bring up Willie Pep cause he was the 1st to admid he was a hit and run expertise... Then you say there is no comparison to Pep because level of opp, now Floyd is fighting THE BEST in the world at 154... Whats the Scrutiny now??? it will never end, when your the best you get scutinized till you retire then people become all misty eyed and nostalgic and say boy the new breed of fighters arent as good as__________<(insert name) happens in every sport on some level.
I wouldn't call a guy who's only had one fight at 154 in the last 3 or so years the best at the weight. Especially when the one guy he beat was Mayorga.
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Originally Posted by Lyle
if it takes two to fight then Floyd will never be in one
Again Lyle what will it take for you.... I bring up Willie Pep cause he was the 1st to admid he was a hit and run expertise... Then you say there is no comparison to Pep because level of opp, now Floyd is fighting THE BEST in the world at 154... Whats the Scrutiny now??? it will never end, when your the best you get scutinized till you retire then people become all misty eyed and nostalgic and say boy the new breed of fighters arent as good as__________<(insert name) happens in every sport on some level.
It's different because people came to watch Willie Pep fight and they didn't boo him for being boring.....people don't come and watch Floyd, people BOO him and they find him boring.
Willie Pep also DOMINATED a division, he beat everyone in that division......Floyd has never done that not in ANY of the divisions he has been in.
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I wouldn't call a guy who's only had one fight at 154 in the last 3 or so years the best at the weight. Especially when the one guy he beat was Mayorga.
Then who is the best at 154?
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I wouldn't call a guy who's only had one fight at 154 in the last 3 or so years the best at the weight. Especially when the one guy he beat was Mayorga.
Then who is the best at 154?
There are many guys staying busy at 154 and I would say Mosley is better and call me crazy but Travis Simms is better than Oscar at this point IMO. See the thing with me is that I don't care about the big name but rather what I see in the ring.
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if it takes two to fight then Floyd will never be in one
Again Lyle what will it take for you.... I bring up Willie Pep cause he was the 1st to admid he was a hit and run expertise... Then you say there is no comparison to Pep because level of opp, now Floyd is fighting THE BEST in the world at 154... Whats the Scrutiny now??? it will never end, when your the best you get scutinized till you retire then people become all misty eyed and nostalgic and say boy the new breed of fighters arent as good as__________<(insert name) happens in every sport on some level.
It's different because people came to watch Willie Pep fight and they didn't boo him for being boring.....people don't come and watch Floyd, people BOO him and they find him boring.
Willie Pep also DOMINATED a division, he beat everyone in that division......Floyd has never done that not in ANY of the divisions he has been in.
Again though, were talking strictly fighting style.... Times have changed and so must opinion, a fighter has no say in the rankings and organization formats all he can do is maximize his opportunity... If in this era it meant staying at a weight and claiming the 5-6 alphabaets out there paying all the fee's then I'm sure thats what would happen... Sadly its not the case... Look at Judah vs Baldo IBF title stayed with Judah cause if Baldo payed the fee he would of got a piss worth a paycheck.... Plus deal with all the horseshit of rankings negotiating 50/50 60/40 75/25 etc... 2 totallt different eras
Plus look at Hopkins... He stayed at a weight for 20 defenses and maybe out of that, 5 of them were ALLSTARS, Calzaghe is at 19 and he fought no Universal Allstars at all and 1 win over Lacy and thats it ..
Both guys catch S*** in this era for staying at a weight and not moving and fighting other stars in higher weights
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I wouldn't call a guy who's only had one fight at 154 in the last 3 or so years the best at the weight. Especially when the one guy he beat was Mayorga.
Then who is the best at 154?
There are many guys staying busy at 154 and I would say Mosley is better and call me crazy but Travis Simms is better than Oscar at this point IMO. See the thing with me is that I don't care about the big name but rather what I see in the ring.
Mosley is not fighting anymore at 154. And when he was at 154, his only clear victories in 6 fights there were the 2 wins over Vargas, who is in worse shape that Mayorga.
Travis Simms had not fought in over 2 years until his recent fight with Rivera. He has fought mostly nobodies and his biggest win is against Bronco McKart, who has been beaten by every decent fighter he has ever faced.
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floyd fighting oscar is the riskiest thing he has done his whole career and he should not be critisised for taking the fight. very risky.
but saying that i would not expect anything less from a guy who claims to be the best and he should have been taking risks like this for years.
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And yes im more than aware of the beating handed to Corales.
But, what im also aware of is Floyds approach and confidence in that fight compared to the approach to his last outing as a welterweight.
You will not see Floyd fight like that (corrales) against the big guys anymore.
He would be on his skates, he would throw less and Tony would throw more (Than Baldi).
That makes the fight interesting.
Have you watched the Corrales fight? Floyd was up on his toes and circling the entire time, not that much different than how he fights now. He didn't stand flat-footed and trade with Corrales.
The only major difference is that Baldomir has a much more sturdy chin than Corrales.
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Still struggling to see the embarassing loss.
Like I said before, if losing 12-0 in a title fight and not landing a single meaningful punch is not embarassing, then what is? Do you have to get KO'd to get embarassed?
Well Bladi did actually start to land in round 2, but thats not anything to write home about ::**
And yes i did see the Corrales fight... And it was NOT the same fight as against Baldi... It was by far a more negative fight.
I still stand by my opinion that a fight against Margarito would exhinbit even more of a negative side of Floyd than the one we see against Baldi. And regardless of the final outcome, it would IMO do nothing to cement the legacy of Floyd Mayweather.
But i guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one.
I just wanna make a simple point. Since 2002, Floyd has NEVER fought a highly regarded fighter, who is widely regarded as to be in prime condition and/ or fighting at their best weight.
I still waiting for May 5th! ;D
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He should stfu! >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad O0
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I wouldn't call a guy who's only had one fight at 154 in the last 3 or so years the best at the weight. Especially when the one guy he beat was Mayorga.
Then who is the best at 154?
There are many guys staying busy at 154 and I would say Mosley is better and call me crazy but Travis Simms is better than Oscar at this point IMO. See the thing with me is that I don't care about the big name but rather what I see in the ring.
Mosley is not fighting anymore at 154. And when he was at 154, his only clear victories in 6 fights there were the 2 wins over Vargas, who is in worse shape that Mayorga.
Travis Simms had not fought in over 2 years until his recent fight with Rivera. He has fought mostly nobodies and his biggest win is against Bronco McKart, who has been beaten by every decent fighter he has ever faced.
Simms has nice speed, good power and skill and is hungry. I consider him more dangerous at this point. That's just my opinion though.
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Oscar is a good fighter but best at 154,no way. Not by rankings,not by opponents faced Karmazin,Spinks,Simms(would be a STYLISTIC NIGHTMARE for Oscar) Garcia,Ouma if he comes back down, etc These guys would allll give Oscar a tough fight,no way can anyone say Oscar is the best at 154 conclusively,not now. Prime Oscar then yeah,for sure. The Oscar that beat Vargas,yep but that was 5 years ago.
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THIS IS WHY I LOVE SADDO BOXING ALL ACTION NONSTOP...Mind you guys i don't usually post that often but this is really what separates Saddo from other forum, different opinions and ways of expressing their opinions, tho' i also don't like the S*** & BULL****'s but all in all it couldn't get better than this...PEACE OUT !!!!
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THIS IS WHY I LOVE SADDO BOXING ALL ACTION NONSTOP...Mind you guys i don't usually post that often but this is really what separates Saddo from other forum, different opinions and ways of expressing their opinions, tho' i also don't like the S*** & BULL****'s but all in all it couldn't get better than this...PEACE OUT !!!!
I agree,this has been a pretty banging thread,lots of good points made form all sides.
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I disagree with the people who claim DLH is way past his prime. Yes, the Vargas victory was 5 years ago, and the 2nd Mosley fight was 4 years ago, but since that time his only loss was to Bernard Hopkins, who is a HOF middleweight champion. DLH had no business fighting Hopkins. He had no chance to win that fight but took the risk anyway.
And yes, he looked like crap against Sturm, when he showed up blatantly out of shape. At 154 and in good shape, I don't see where he is a vastly different fighter from 2002 or 2003. He has not been in many wars and hasn't abused his body.
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I disagree with the people who claim DLH is way past his prime. Yes, the Vargas victory was 5 years ago, and the 2nd Mosley fight was 4 years ago, but since that time his only loss was to Bernard Hopkins, who is a HOF middleweight champion. DLH had no business fighting Hopkins. He had no chance to win that fight but took the risk anyway.
And yes, he looked like crap against Sturm, when he showed up blatantly out of shape. At 154 and in good shape, I don't see where he is a vastly different fighter from 2002 or 2003. He has not been in many wars and hasn't abused his body.
Just as with all aspexts of life,the older you get,the worse you get at it and combined with longer and longer levels of inactivity,I TOTALLY disagree about comparing this Oscar to that of 02. The factors I have just mentioned surely come into play. And he should have lost to Sturm too and those fights you mentioned have been his only fights in that time!(Mayorga too)
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Oscar is a good fighter but best at 154,no way. Not by rankings,not by opponents faced Karmazin,Spinks,Simms(would be a STYLISTIC NIGHTMARE for Oscar) Garcia,Ouma if he comes back down, etc These guys would allll give Oscar a tough fight,no way can anyone say Oscar is the best at 154 conclusively,not now. Prime Oscar then yeah,for sure. The Oscar that beat Vargas,yep but that was 5 years ago.
I'm asking you this respectfully Gamo, I find it interesting that you say Spinks would be a stylistic nightmare for Oscar, Does that mean Floyd is a stylistic nightmare for Delahoya??? Seeing that there are some similarites with Spinks and Mayweather as far as speed and slickness, Obviously with Floyd by far, hands down the better of the 2
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Just as with all aspexts of life,the older you get,the worse you get at it and combined with longer and longer levels of inactivity,I TOTALLY disagree about comparing this Oscar to that of 02. The factors I have just mentioned surely come into play. And he should have lost to Sturm too and those fights you mentioned have been his only fights in that time!(Mayorga too)
Yes, but all fighters age differently. Take a fighter like Erik Morales. He aged rapidly and is done at the age of 30, because he spent a decade killing himself to make weight and has been in one bloodbath after another.
Oscar has gotten older age-wise, he's older in years, but he has not sustained much punishment or shown lots of slippage.
Like I said, he had no chance against Hopkins, that had nothing to do with age, Hopkins was just too big and skilled. He had no business at 160. Sturm may have beaten him, but DLH was in a weight class he didn't belong in, and was totally out of shape. Do you think he will be out of shape for a Mayweather fight?
All 34 year old fighters are not equal, you have to consider the effects of age on a case-by-case basis.
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Just as with all aspexts of life,the older you get,the worse you get at it and combined with longer and longer levels of inactivity,I TOTALLY disagree about comparing this Oscar to that of 02. The factors I have just mentioned surely come into play. And he should have lost to Sturm too and those fights you mentioned have been his only fights in that time!(Mayorga too)
Yes, but all fighters age differently. Take a fighter like Erik Morales. He aged rapidly and is done at the age of 30, because he spent a decade killing himself to make weight and has been in one bloodbath after another.
Oscar has gotten older age-wise, he's older in years, but he has not sustained much punishment or shown lots of slippage.
Like I said, he had no chance against Hopkins, that had nothing to do with age, Hopkins was just too big and skilled. He had no business at 160. Sturm may have beaten him, but DLH was in a weight class he didn't belong in, and was totally out of shape. Do you think he will be out of shape for a Mayweather fight?
All 34 year old fighters are not equal, you have to consider the effects of age on a case-by-case basis.
Case by case basis is fair enough but nothing anyone says can change the fac that inactivity hurts ANY fighter firstly and secondly,you have not really given any evidence of WHY Oscar will.can be as good as he was. And in shape or not,Sturms jab would always have given Oscar problems.
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Oscar is a good fighter but best at 154,no way. Not by rankings,not by opponents faced Karmazin,Spinks,Simms(would be a STYLISTIC NIGHTMARE for Oscar) Garcia,Ouma if he comes back down, etc These guys would allll give Oscar a tough fight,no way can anyone say Oscar is the best at 154 conclusively,not now. Prime Oscar then yeah,for sure. The Oscar that beat Vargas,yep but that was 5 years ago.
I'm asking you this respectfully Gamo, I find it interesting that you say Spinks would be a stylistic nightmare for Oscar, Does that mean Floyd is a stylistic nightmare for Delahoya??? Seeing that there are some similarites with Spinks and Mayweather as far as speed and slickness, Obviously with Floyd by far, hands down the better of the 2
I said Simms dude because the guy has very good power,can box and is southpaw and uses the jab fairly well too. And to put a beat down on a tough fighter like Rivera like that after 2 years out was mightily impressive.
And yea,I think Floyd is going to beat Oscar pretty easily. His speed,and good D which Oscar could not handle in his prime v Shane and Pernell will be Floyd keys to winning the fight.
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
Case by case basis is fair enough but nothing anyone says can change the fac that inactivity hurts ANY fighter firstly and secondly,you have not really given any evidence of WHY Oscar will.can be as good as he was. And in shape or not,Sturms jab would always have given Oscar problems.
Yes, but if you go on a case-by-case basis, you would see that inactivity has not bothered Oscar in the past. He had a 16 month layoff caused by a wrist injury prior to the Vargas fight, and showed up and delivered one of his best performances on a night when he had to be sharp due to Vargas' power.
Whether you think Mayorga is good or not, you have to admit that DLH did look sharp in his return to the ring. He knocked Mayorga down in the 1st on a lightning quick counter left hook. Fighters who are rusty generally can't counter that effectively.
Also, generally the reason that inactivity bothers fighters is because they allow themselves to get out of shape and overweight. This is not the case with Oscar over the last few years. I've seen him at numerous fights because of his promoting and he has always looked just like he always does. He has stayed in shape and at his natural weight.
If Oscar looks bad against Floyd, it will be because of Floyd's skill and fighting style, not Oscar's age and inactivity.
P.S. On an unrelated note, I was just looking thru boxrec and saw that one judge had Vargas ahead of DLH 97-94, meaning that DLH actually needed the KO to win on her card. What the hell fight was she watching?
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Just as with all aspexts of life,the older you get,the worse you get at it and combined with longer and longer levels of inactivity,I TOTALLY disagree about comparing this Oscar to that of 02. The factors I have just mentioned surely come into play. And he should have lost to Sturm too and those fights you mentioned have been his only fights in that time!(Mayorga too)
Yes, but all fighters age differently. Take a fighter like Erik Morales. He aged rapidly and is done at the age of 30, because he spent a decade killing himself to make weight and has been in one bloodbath after another.
Oscar has gotten older age-wise, he's older in years, but he has not sustained much punishment or shown lots of slippage.
Like I said, he had no chance against Hopkins, that had nothing to do with age, Hopkins was just too big and skilled. He had no business at 160. Sturm may have beaten him, but DLH was in a weight class he didn't belong in, and was totally out of shape. Do you think he will be out of shape for a Mayweather fight?
All 34 year old fighters are not equal, you have to consider the effects of age on a case-by-case basis.
What you say about age is so true ! its like a life expectancy can be set at 72 years old as an average , that don't mean you going to die when your 72, you may live to be 92.. or you might die at 32 , same thing in boxing. everyone is different I had a great grandmother that smoked a pipe everyday and ate bacon for breakfast every morning , she lived to be 96 years old, too many people focus on age as a factor. don't mean shit, I seen burnouts in boxing as early as 26 years old. and seen guys fight competitive in their late 40's and 50's Azumah Nelson was ancient when he finally retired late 40‘s maybe even 50 ( Real Age im talking about not the list age B.S . ) , Nelson was a thrill ride all the way too
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
Case by case basis is fair enough but nothing anyone says can change the fac that inactivity hurts ANY fighter firstly and secondly,you have not really given any evidence of WHY Oscar will.can be as good as he was. And in shape or not,Sturms jab would always have given Oscar problems.
Yes, but if you go on a case-by-case basis, you would see that inactivity has not bothered Oscar in the past. He had a 16 month layoff caused by a wrist injury prior to the Vargas fight, and showed up and delivered one of his best performances on a night when he had to be sharp due to Vargas' power.
Whether you think Mayorga is good or not, you have to admit that DLH did look sharp in his return to the ring. He knocked Mayorga down in the 1st on a lightning quick counter left hook. Fighters who are rusty generally can't counter that effectively.
Also, generally the reason that inactivity bothers fighters is because they allow themselves to get out of shape and overweight. This is not the case with Oscar over the last few years. I've seen him at numerous fights because of his promoting and he has always looked just like he always does. He has stayed in shape and at his natural weight.
If Oscar looks bad against Floyd, it will be because of Floyd's skill and fighting style, not Oscar's age and inactivity.
P.S. On an unrelated note, I was just looking thru boxrec and saw that one judge had Vargas ahead of DLH 97-94, meaning that DLH actually needed the KO to win on her card. What the hell fight was she watching?
I have to disagree with you there about inactivity not hurting you.....Oscar has lost more than a step from not being in the ring enough. He was not slow in the Mayorga fight be he was far from the Oscar that I knew. He seems more solid but definitely slower. His defensive reflexes were not the same either. If you're not in the ring, you can't possibly remain in top form. At this point in my life with two kids and work and stuff, I can't go to the gym like I used to and believe me, the pains last longer now because of that and I get hit alot more than ever at this point when I spar. It's all rythm.
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I'm disappointed in you guys. I expected to come in here and read a whole new batch of posts filled with Mayweather hate.
He said to Jim Lampley on HBO that he's been the best in the game since 1996 and that Mosley has been ducking him since 1998.
Come on, bash this guy!
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is Danny_G one of Pretty Boy's jilted ex lovers or something... you're worse than Emma with Amir Khan... did he knock you back? Not return your calls?
No one is asking you to like PBF... for your own mental health could you get over him?
Stop talking about him... you're turning into Royal.
Who died and made you the boss of the forum? Are you now the d1ck-tator here?
Why cant I speak on Floyd? Does it bother you? Is he your lover? Your boyfriend? Do you have a g@y crush on him? Are you his protector? His defender? His knight in pink gladiator armor? Do you have posters of him in your room with little pink hearts on them? lol
I can say all I want about Floyd.
I don't think one person on this forum finds your posts about Mayweather anything but pathetic. He's completely right, get over it you victim.
I agree with Dan. I don't think Mayweather needs to talk like he does. P4Pking and Sweetpea are both very knowledgeable members of this forum but they wont ave anything bad said about floyd. IMO opinion Floyd needs a fight with a young hungry fighter in their prime right now. He aint nowhere near the greatest of all time. I like him as a fighter, he's brilliant but actually i'm off work with a sprained ankle ligament so i've been watchin a lot Floyd Mayweather fights today. He lost to Castillo without a shadow of a doubt 1st time out and If Corley was a better finisher he could have stopped Mayweather when he had him hurt. He's far from a perfect fighter but he is one of the best out there at the minute. Top 3 P4P.
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How can you guys not like Floyd and not think he is the greatest of all times. I mean look at the people he beat on his way up.
The mighty Victoriano Sosa who went 12 rounds
Was destroyed by Miguel Cotto in 4 rounds.
Phillip N'dou. Philip who?
Exactly
DeMarcus Corley in 12
Destroyed by Miguel Cotto in 5
Henry Bruseles <------ ;D
Arturo Gatti <----Some one get him a cane.
Sharmba Mitchell <----- Some one get this guy a walker.
Zab Judah went 12 rounds. Awesome fight but Zab was destroyed by Kostya Tszyu in 2
Knock out artist Carlos Manuel Baldomir. Real nickname "El Tata" Translation to Spanish means Grandfather. LMAO
His record speaks for it's self. Just look at all these mighty warriors he has beat.
He should go down as the greatest of all times with that impressive resume.
Talk all you want, but Baldomir is no joke. I bet he would give Cotto a tough time or Margarito because they arent fast or defensively good enough to put on the show that Floyd did against Baldomir. They would stand and fight with him and those tactics have proved to be dangerous against "Grandfather" Carlos, who may be nicknamed after a friendly senior citizen but is a fucking workhorse. Dude can fight. Zab Judah is also a fighter who would give both Cotto and Margarito problems. You want to talk all kinds of trash about Floyd's opposition but really who have your boxing idols faced to deserve all this prestige? Floyd Mayweather would beat the hell out of either one of them, probably without even breaking a sweat. The man fights an elusive counterpunching speed style of boxing. It may not be as exciting as a blood and guts warrior style like Gatti or sluggers that come forward consistently like Margarito and Cotto. But it has proven to be pretty effective in winning fights don't you think? Too much speed, too good a defense; Floyd could UD Cotto or Tony on any given night IMO. But go ahead and talk smack, that's what the forums are for...
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
I'm disappointed in you guys. I expected to come in here and read a whole new batch of posts filled with Mayweather hate.
He said to Jim Lampley on HBO that he's been the best in the game since 1996 and that Mosley has been ducking him since 1998.
Come on, bash this guy!
Come on dude,its not posts filled with hate,you have some of the best posters here just sharing their opinion on him and justifying it. If you think it's hating,fair enough.
diamonddavestafford,I'm not going to adress your entire post because it's been addressed a million times but there is no way Cotto, or Margarito would struggle with Baldo. There is no basis for that statement,Margarito would slaughter him,outwork him and stop him late on(and did indeed bust his ass in sparring which Baldo tacitly acknowledged in an interview I posted a long time ago,saying he would not fight Tony and that Tony is very poweful) and Cotto would break him down to that weight drained body.
I sugggest you go and watch Baldo v Clottey in which Clottey was winning 7 rounds to 3 imo,EVERYONE had Clottey winning,he was backing Baldo up with ease and just beating him up before being dqed. Don't base Baldo off wins over the shot Gatti and the mentally unstable Judah,Baldos timing was perfect,thats all. Name he 1 good thing he has going for him other than his chin(which hasn't been tested by someone with Cotto or Tony's power) and his determination?
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I'm disappointed in you guys. I expected to come in here and read a whole new batch of posts filled with Mayweather hate.
He said to Jim Lampley on HBO that he's been the best in the game since 1996 and that Mosley has been ducking him since 1998.
Come on, bash this guy!
Come on dude,its not posts filled with hate,you have some of the best posters here just sharing their opinion on him and justifying it. If you think it's hating,fair enough.
Dude, I was just joking.
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I'm disappointed in you guys. I expected to come in here and read a whole new batch of posts filled with Mayweather hate.
He said to Jim Lampley on HBO that he's been the best in the game since 1996 and that Mosley has been ducking him since 1998.
Come on, bash this guy!
Come on dude,its not posts filled with hate,you have some of the best posters here just sharing their opinion on him and justifying it. If you think it's hating,fair enough.
Dude, I was just joking.
So was I ^-^ :laugh: :lickish: :P So are you favouring Oscar to beat Floyd bro?
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There is no doubt in my mind that Mayweather has manufactured a brilliant career over the years carefully picking opponents and avoiding those he knows would trouble him.
Only Jose Luis Castillo has given him trouble and that was only because he totally underestimated him the first time. Mayweather has avoided splendidly Mosely, Tszyu, Cotto, Hatton and Margarito in favour of fighting washed up older guys like Mitchell, Gatti, DeCorley a journeyman in Baldomir and a mentally challenged Zab Judah whose career is in the doghouse! Mayweather will need every bit of those great defensive skills he has to avoid a humiliating defeat at the hands of De La Hoya.
Then he should go back to 147 and prove he really is as good as he says he is and unify the Welterweight crown. Stop talking about it Floyd and do it!! Currently you would be ranked about 20th in any list of the best fighters of the past 30years.
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Mayweather has avoided splendidly Mosely, Tszyu, Cotto, Hatton and Margarito in favour of fighting washed up older guys like Mitchell, Gatti, DeCorley a journeyman in Baldomir and a mentally challenged Zab Judah whose career is in the doghouse!
Could you point out exactly when Floyd Mayweather avoided Shane Mosley? In other words, find one point throughout their careers where they've been at the same weight class at the same time. (Hint: From 2000-late 2005, they were anywhere between 12-19 pounds apart)
If you've got time, also tell me when Cotto and Hatton made offers to Mayweather that he refused.
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Why should Hatton and Cotto make the first move?
It was Mayweather moving up in weight class and he should have made the challenge, isn't that what you do when you are a champion in a lighter weight division and you want to prove yourself against the best in the next division up? He was at 135 for a long time when Tszyu was smashing everybody at 140.
I'm just pointing out that Mayweather is now fighting at 154 and he has missed all these guys, Mosely is now at 147?
Mayweather has done a great job but has yet to prove himself against any of the top 140-147 pounders out there.
I think he would beat Hatton or Cotto, i just want to see him do it.
De La Hoya will be to strong for him at 154, he needs to go back to 147 and clean house there.
His legacy will be assured if he became undisputed Welter king.
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Why should Hatton and Cotto make the first move?
Cotto doesn't want any part of fighting Floyd... yet. Neither do Cotto's promoters. Which is the right move for them. Cotto is still working his way up to better and better opponents. His promoters aren't going to put him in with Mayweather until he's ready. Cotto is 3 years younger than Floyd. The longer Cotto can wait, the older Floyd will get. Cotto is smart to wait a while. That fight has not even been a possibility up to this point.
The Hatton/Mayweather thing has been argued a million times here in a bunch of different threads. I think the majority of people here, even some Hatton fans, agree that Hatton doesn't really want to get in the ring with Mayweather. Floyd is just way too fast and skilled for him.
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I'm just pointing out that Mayweather is now fighting at 154 and he has missed all these guys, Mosely is now at 147?
Mosley fought Vargas last year at 154. After the second Vargas win, Mosley announced that he was going back down to 147, but that he wouldn't fight again until 2007. Mayweather needed to find an opponent, and since Mosley was taking time off, Baldomir, who had the belts, was the choice. After beating Baldomir, Floyd did the right thing in accepting a mega-payday against DLH. There has never been an opportunity for Floyd to fight Shane to this point. If Floyd beats DLH, I expect him to seek out Mosley, and vice versa, because that would be the biggest payday out there for both guys.
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Win or lose against De La Hoya a Mayweather v Mosely fight is a nice thought for boxing fans.
Cotto too has to step up and take on the top guys, he must fight Margarito or Williams or Judah for that matter (If he would only get his act together) As for Hatton, maybe his win against Tszyu took more out of him than we all thought as he really hasn't come on as well as expected.
I don't doubt for a second that Mayweather would take him to the cleaners!
