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Re: Barrera vs. Marquez - Disgrace!!!
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by Missy
I can't understand why you're laying all this blame at MAB's door when it's clear that Nady fucked up big time. If it was a slip then you get between the two fighters dust the guy who slipped down and resume the fight. If it's a knock down then score it. He did neither.
I've seen it happen loads of times just as I've seen loads of fighters touch down, pop back up and get tagged again for their trouble, it happens.
The more ive been thinking about this the more I am inclined this way. Nady was nowhere to be seen for an absolute age. He was completely incompetent in that situation.
A great fight but somewhat marred for me by what happened in that round. For me if that round went as it should there could be no question of doubt at all in my mind about Barrera winning it and convincingly so...
I agree with Miles and Missy . They know what theyre talking about
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Nady may have been getting a bag of peanuts off the vendor... Still, in today's world of boxing every fighter undertsands that you do not hit your opponent if he is on hands and knees.
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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
Nady may have been getting a bag of peanuts off the vendor... Still, in today's world of boxing every fighter undertsands that you do not hit your opponent if he is on hands and knees.
What about the golden rule to keep fighting unless the referee calls break .
Even if Barrera did wrong , did he really deserve to lose 4 points cuz of it without a warning ?
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Even if Barrera did wrong , did he really deserve to lose 4 points cuz of it without a warning ?
He didn't lose 4 points. I beg anyone to come up with an explanation of how he lost 4 points.
Even if Nady ruled it a knockdown and gave Barrera a warning instead of a point deduction, it still wouldn't have been a 10-8 round for Barrera.
He didn't deserve a 10-8 round in his favor, because Marquez knocked him all over the ring for the first 2:55 of the round.
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Re: Barrera vs. Marquez - Disgrace!!!
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Originally Posted by GAME
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Nady may have been getting a bag of peanuts off the vendor... Still, in today's world of boxing every fighter undertsands that you do not hit your opponent if he is on hands and knees.
What about the golden rule to keep fighting unless the referee calls break .
Even if Barrera did wrong , did he really deserve to lose 4 points cuz of it without a warning ?
WTF?
1st I heard 2 points then I heard 3 points, I even read somewhere someone said he didn't deserve to loose 7 points.
Your saying 4 point's....
Did I miss part of the fight, or was it the AL-KEY-HAUL!! that I was drinking that night that has caused me to miss how MAB was assed out 2,3,7 or 4 points ???
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Re: Barrera vs. Marquez - Disgrace!!!
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Originally Posted by GAME
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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
Nady may have been getting a bag of peanuts off the vendor... Still, in today's world of boxing every fighter undertsands that you do not hit your opponent if he is on hands and knees.
What about the golden rule to keep fighting unless the referee calls break .
Even if Barrera did wrong , did he really deserve to lose 4 points cuz of it without a warning ?
Keep fighting until the referee calls break... are you directing that to Marquez or Barrera? Marquez looked like he was playing dog when Barrera corked him upset the head.
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Re: Barrera vs. Marquez - Disgrace!!!
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I'll preface what I have to say with this: Both Barrera and Marquez are at the top of the food-chain in the 130lb. division. It doesn't get any better with the guts and glory such as this. I sat on the couch over my friend's house and almost fell asleep with the lackluster (to put it mildly) under-card these jackasses had the audacity to put together for a PPV event.
I knew something was awry when Hopkins won by a lopsided decision against a very game Forbes. To top it off, officials at the Nevada State Athletic Commission were haplessly perusing the crack dens of Vegas to find 'judges' that would score the main event.
Hats off to both Barrera and Marquez for a thrilling bout on such a woefully dreadful card. Shame on the sport of sports for continually living up to its corrupt reputation, and in this case, exceeding its tar and feather image by putting incompetent, and possibly over-drugged, delusional simps at ringside to score the bout.
I would have even been satisfied with a draw or a 1 point discrepancy going either way to each fighter. Although I thought Barrera clearly won the fight, I could have swallowed a split decision going to Marquez.
Fact of the matter is this: Boxing has become a joke. With such grave injustices as decisions and scores such as this, we can only hope that fighters risk more, take additional chances and ultimately take any decisive factors away from 'judges' by going for broke, throwing caution to the wind, and fighting purely for the KO.
I'm sickened by such scandalous ineptitude and flagrant corruption, and my stomach is soured by what has happened tonight.
Manny, in his post-fight closing remarks, summarized this disgrace without pulling any punches. Lampley, the consummate diplomat and spinmeister that he is, attempted to reason the merits of such an unreasonable decision.
Champions like Barrera are made inside of the ring; champions like Barrera are rare commodities to the sport. It's disgusting and disgraceful to see one such man that has given so much to the sport and to his adoring fans be shafted in such a blatantly and outlandish way. The sport of boxing loves its heroes, but it's a disgusting testament to the wicked side of human nature when we so callously tear them down...Pathetic is a term that comes to mind. But that would be a gross understatement. ::** ::** :'(
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It was a great fight. I was surprised when it wasnt even declared a split decision. I was sure 1 judge would have given it to JMM after a fight like that, but to hear those margins and at the point of not even knowing the winner, I was extremely sickened....
The 7th round was great, but tarnished by judicial incompetence and the judges were well off. We ALL agree that the fight was extremely close. Even those that think JMM edged it think so. Those that think Barrera won think so. So to get 118-109 is a fallacy of the highest order. Absolutely criminal!! >:mad
You said it. I mean come on, what kind of crock of shit is that? I watched the fight completely sober and saw what happened. And what I saw was Barrera clearly, CLEARLY win the first 6 rounds 10 to 9. He should have won the seventh too, if it weren't for his post knockdown shenanigans, and even so, scored correctly (Jay Nady) it should have been an even round taking into account the knockdown points minus the foul. Instead it was by Nady's call, a 10-8 round for Marquez. This puts it at 68-64 (although by my counting the knockdown i think it should have been 70-64) for Barrera going into rounds 8 - 12. Even if Marquez had won every single one of those rounds (10 to 9 cuz he damn sure didnt earn any 10-8 rounds after that), the scores would read 114-113 for Marquez (by counting the 7th round knockdown it would have been 115-114 for Barrera). Now to get a 116-111 score, which two of the idiot judges had; that would have had Marquez winning 8 rounds of the fight; which is complete and utter bullshit. At the most, Marquez won six rounds. And 118-109? That judge should just be put to sleep. Boxing needs to take a fucking look at just who they are putting in to judge these fights. Is it some drooling senior citizen with an oxygen tank so old that he can no longer hold his mouth closed? Or is it some golf happy jackass from the country club who knows nothing about boxing but is buddies with the heads of the sanctioning bodies that appoint the judges? That accounts for the two 116-111 scores. I am assuming they had Stevie Wonder scoring the third card. Jesus. What a crock of wet steaming poop.
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I watched the fight completely sober and saw what happened. And what I saw was Barrera clearly, CLEARLY win the first 6 rounds 10 to 9. He should have won the seventh too
How you score a shut out for MAB through 6 rds. is beyond me.... Which brings me to your comment....
I had rd.1 for JMM, rd.2 for MAB and rd.3 for JMM....
I haven't been able to re-watch the fight to score it rounnd by round.... but how you gave rounds 1 & 3 to MAB and more shoking rds. 1 thru 6 I just don't get it.....
Are there any other people here who feel MAB shut JMM out through 6 rds?
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I am assuming they had Stevie Wonder scoring the third card. Jesus. What a crock of wet steaming poop.
I am assuming you had your back to the TV screen and you scored the fight going by Lampleys commentating....
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Are there any other people here who feel MAB shut JMM out through 6 rds?
http://www.fightnews.com/1photos/lampley.jpg
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Re: Barrera vs. Marquez - Disgrace!!!
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
;D
HUGE LEFT BARRERA!!!
(But yet MAB never actually threw that a punch) ;D
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I've always wondered what would have happened if Barrera and DLH had fought each other. How could Lampley call a fight and be baised in favor of both fighters? Could he figure out a way to make up phantom punches for both guys? I think his head would explode.
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Re: Barrera vs. Marquez - Disgrace!!!
since when did getting beat in a round equal getting knocked down?
How long has Nady been a referee?
He was not on his hands and knees - refer back to the pictures in the thread you like so much.
Play fair if Barrera gets docked a point & no warning then dock Marquez for the low blows - a foul is a foul right?
Saw it happen at the Kings Hall not so long ago, it's not something I note in my diary, I don't just sit and watch boxing on the telly.
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Originally Posted by GAME
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Nady may have been getting a bag of peanuts off the vendor... Still, in today's world of boxing every fighter undertsands that you do not hit your opponent if he is on hands and knees.
What about the golden rule to keep fighting unless the referee calls break .
Even if Barrera did wrong , did he really deserve to lose 4 points cuz of it without a warning ?
Golden rule? for = MMA -----> Yes
Boxing ----> If a man is down, you generally don't hit him (even if he slips).
Although I agree that the fight was a lot closer than how the judges saw it.
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ha ha ha ha let me rephrase that. . You don't hit a man when he is down. . . ;D
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Nady may have been getting a bag of peanuts off the vendor... Still, in today's world of boxing every fighter undertsands that you do not hit your opponent if he is on hands and knees.
What about the golden rule to keep fighting unless the referee calls break .
Even if Barrera did wrong , did he really deserve to lose 4 points cuz of it without a warning ?
WTF?
1st I heard 2 points then I heard 3 points, I even read somewhere someone said he didn't deserve to loose 7 points.
Your saying 4 point's....
Did I miss part of the fight, or was it the AL-KEY-HAUL!! that I was drinking that night that has caused me to miss how MAB was assed out 2,3,7 or 4 points ???
10-8 to Barrera to 10-8 to Marquez = 4 point swing
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Originally Posted by GAME
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by GAME
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Nady may have been getting a bag of peanuts off the vendor... Still, in today's world of boxing every fighter undertsands that you do not hit your opponent if he is on hands and knees.
What about the golden rule to keep fighting unless the referee calls break .
Even if Barrera did wrong , did he really deserve to lose 4 points cuz of it without a warning ?
WTF?
1st I heard 2 points then I heard 3 points, I even read somewhere someone said he didn't deserve to loose 7 points.
Your saying 4 point's....
Did I miss part of the fight, or was it the AL-KEY-HAUL!! that I was drinking that night that has caused me to miss how MAB was assed out 2,3,7 or 4 points ???
10-8 to Barrera to 10-8 to Marquez = 4 point swing
Barrera didn't deserve a 10-8 round. Marquez dominated him for the first 2:55 of the round. You don't automatically get a 10-8 score if you knock your opponent down. You have to knockdown your opponent AND win the round overall to earn a 10-8 score.
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
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Originally Posted by GAME
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Nady may have been getting a bag of peanuts off the vendor... Still, in today's world of boxing every fighter undertsands that you do not hit your opponent if he is on hands and knees.
What about the golden rule to keep fighting unless the referee calls break .
Even if Barrera did wrong , did he really deserve to lose 4 points cuz of it without a warning ?
WTF?
1st I heard 2 points then I heard 3 points, I even read somewhere someone said he didn't deserve to loose 7 points.
Your saying 4 point's....
Did I miss part of the fight, or was it the AL-KEY-HAUL!! that I was drinking that night that has caused me to miss how MAB was assed out 2,3,7 or 4 points ???
10-8 to Barrera to 10-8 to Marquez = 4 point swing
Barrera didn't deserve a 10-8 round. Marquez dominated him for the first 2:55 of the round. You don't automatically get a 10-8 score if you knock your opponent down. You have to knockdown your opponent AND win the round overall to earn a 10-8 score.
Well opinions on scoring would vary from 4 point to 3 to two maybe but the point is it cost him big and he didnt even get a warning first . Marquez wasnt warned for his repeated low blows .
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I repeat, Pea, when did being convincing in a round equal getting knocked down in a round?
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
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Originally Posted by GAME
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Originally Posted by GAME
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Nady may have been getting a bag of peanuts off the vendor... Still, in today's world of boxing every fighter undertsands that you do not hit your opponent if he is on hands and knees.
What about the golden rule to keep fighting unless the referee calls break .
Even if Barrera did wrong , did he really deserve to lose 4 points cuz of it without a warning ?
WTF?
1st I heard 2 points then I heard 3 points, I even read somewhere someone said he didn't deserve to loose 7 points.
Your saying 4 point's....
Did I miss part of the fight, or was it the AL-KEY-HAUL!! that I was drinking that night that has caused me to miss how MAB was assed out 2,3,7 or 4 points ???
10-8 to Barrera to 10-8 to Marquez = 4 point swing
Barrera didn't deserve a 10-8 round. Marquez dominated him for the first 2:55 of the round. You don't automatically get a 10-8 score if you knock your opponent down. You have to knockdown your opponent AND win the round overall to earn a 10-8 score.
You are somewhat exagerating...Marquez dominated for no way near that length of time. For the first half of the round it was relatively even. It was the final minute and a half of the round that most of the big punches from Marquez came....
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Originally Posted by GAME
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Originally Posted by GAME
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Nady may have been getting a bag of peanuts off the vendor... Still, in today's world of boxing every fighter undertsands that you do not hit your opponent if he is on hands and knees.
What about the golden rule to keep fighting unless the referee calls break .
Even if Barrera did wrong , did he really deserve to lose 4 points cuz of it without a warning ?
WTF?
1st I heard 2 points then I heard 3 points, I even read somewhere someone said he didn't deserve to loose 7 points.
Your saying 4 point's....
Did I miss part of the fight, or was it the AL-KEY-HAUL!! that I was drinking that night that has caused me to miss how MAB was assed out 2,3,7 or 4 points ???
10-8 to Barrera to 10-8 to Marquez = 4 point swing
Barrera didn't deserve a 10-8 round. Marquez dominated him for the first 2:55 of the round. You don't automatically get a 10-8 score if you knock your opponent down. You have to knockdown your opponent AND win the round overall to earn a 10-8 score.
Really? Is that the rules ???
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Everytime I see JimBoogie, I hear that JungleBoogie track in my head (pulp fiction or the other one).
As you were.
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MAB was almost out on his feet in that round......
IF that round would have ended that way (without the slip/knockdown) JMM might have still gotten the 10-8 round on the fact that he had MAB almost out, I mean look at that straight right hand and how MAB stumbled back and was clearly hurt like I said almost out on his feet....
Took at least 7 to 10 hard shots..... (Which for the better part of me can't understand how MAB did not go down that fwockers got balls, hear and all)
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Everytime I see JimBoogie, I hear that JungleBoogie track in my head (pulp fiction or the other one).
As you were.
Oh really?
Every time i see you name i think of a cute face, chubby waist, thick legs - in shape, rump shakin both wayz, make u do a double take ;D
What the hey is Jungle Boogie anyway? Im sure someones mentioned this B4 ;D
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Everytime I see JimBoogie, I hear that JungleBoogie track in my head (pulp fiction or the other one).
As you were.
Oh really?
Every time i see you name i think of a cute face, chubby waist, thick legs - in shape, rump shakin both wayz, make u do a double take ;D
What the hey is Jungle Boogie anyway? Im sure someones mentioned this B4 ;D
Missy with your OK......
Allow me, Jungle Boogie is a song sang by one of the 'Pimpiest, most pimp' bands of all time Kool & The Gang....
Here it is for your viewing pleasure.... O0
[youtube=425,350]znQdgYmZ7qo[/youtube]
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MAB was almost out on his feet in that round......
IF that round would have ended that way (without the slip/knockdown) JMM might have still gotten the 10-8 round on the fact that he had MAB almost out, I mean look at that straight right hand and how MAB stumbled back and was clearly hurt like I said almost out on his feet....
Took at least 7 to 10 hard shots..... (Which for the better part of me can't understand how MAB did not go down that fwockers got balls, hear and all)
I disagree, Mick
The round was even half way to the end and yes Marquez did pile on the pressure but Barrera responded as he should and kept throwing punches back when possible. It was no way a 10-8 round if the point deduction hadnt have occured.
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I repeat, Pea, when did being convincing in a round equal getting knocked down in a round?
When did a 10-8 round equal clearly losing the first 2:55 before landing one good shot in the final seconds?
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I repeat, Pea, when did being convincing in a round equal getting knocked down in a round?
When did a 10-8 round equal
clearly losing the first 2:55 before landing one good shot in the final seconds?
He wasnt clearly beating Barrera in the 1st 2.55 of teh round though . Halfway through teh round he got through with his best shots which failed to drop Barrera . He gave it everything he had before falling over . 10-8 ? No way
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I repeat, Pea, when did being convincing in a round equal getting knocked down in a round?
When did a 10-8 round equal
clearly losing the first 2:55 before landing one good shot in the final seconds?
He wasnt clearly beating Barrera in the 1st 2.55 of teh round though . Halfway through teh round he got through with his best shots which failed to drop Barrera . He gave it everything he had before falling over .
10-8 ? No way.
I can't tell what you're trying to say here. No way for who? What do you think the score should have been (assuming no point deduction was made for the foul)?
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I repeat, Pea, when did being convincing in a round equal getting knocked down in a round?
When did a 10-8 round equal clearly losing the first 2:55 before landing one good shot in the final seconds?
I know this is a discussion betwen you two but seriously, what are the rules?
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I repeat, Pea, when did being convincing in a round equal getting knocked down in a round?
When did a 10-8 round equal
clearly losing the first 2:55 before landing one good shot in the final seconds?
He wasnt clearly beating Barrera in the 1st 2.55 of teh round though . Halfway through teh round he got through with his best shots which failed to drop Barrera . He gave it everything he had before falling over .
10-8 ? No way.
I can't tell what you're trying to say here. No way for who? What do you think the score should have been (assuming no point deduction was made for the foul)?
IMO if the point deduction wasnt made then it was an equal round and given that situation perhaps the fight may have followed a different tangent. No way Barrera got a fair deal from that fight....that 7th was great, but exceedingly fucked up!
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I repeat, Pea, when did being convincing in a round equal getting knocked down in a round?
When did a 10-8 round equal clearly losing the first 2:55 before landing one good shot in the final seconds?
I know this is a discussion betwen you two but seriously, what are the rules?
The rule I'm arguing is that a fighter doesn't automatically win a round 10-8 if he knocks his opponent down. Generally the fighter who scores the knockdown does get 10-8, because he usually dominates the round overall, in addition to getting the knockdown.
But in this case, Marquez was clearly winning the round. While Barrera's knockdown should certainly count for more than any of Marquez's single punches, the one big punch Barrera threw doesn't outweigh all of the work Marquez did over the first 2:55.
I think you could have scored the round two ways (and this is not factoring in the point deduction for the foul)....
I would have scored the round even. In other words, Marquez won the round, but Marquez loses a point for going down, which evens it out.
Or, it would also be understandable to say Barrera evened out the round with the big punch, with the knockdown taking a point from Marquez, so Barrera would win the round 10-9 (10-10, minus a point for Marquez for going down).
Barrera didn't deserve a 10-8 round.
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I repeat, Pea, when did being convincing in a round equal getting knocked down in a round?
When did a 10-8 round equal clearly losing the first 2:55 before landing one good shot in the final seconds?
I know this is a discussion betwen you two but seriously, what are the rules?
The rule I'm arguing is that a fighter doesn't automatically win a round 10-8 if he knocks his opponent down. Generally the fighter who scores the knockdown does get 10-8, because he usually dominates the round overall, in addition to getting the knockdown.
But in this case, Marquez was clearly winning the round. While Barrera's knockdown should certainly count for more than any of Marquez's single punches, the one big punch Barrera threw doesn't outweigh all of the work Marquez did over the first 2:55.
I think you could have scored the round two ways (and this is not factoring in the point deduction for the foul)....
I would have scored the round even. In other words, Marquez won the round, but Marquez loses a point for going down, which evens it out.
Or, it would also be understandable to say Barrera evened out the round with the big punch, with the knockdown taking a point from Marquez, so Barrera would win the round 10-9 (10-10, minus a point for Marquez for going down).
Barrera didn't deserve a 10-8 round.
That is how I would score it too...I Wouldnt make it 10-8 Barerra. No way. He was losing the round and clearly so.....
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Theres a slight flaw there... Or maybe im mising something
i mean what if it was a 10-10 round and Barrera scored a knock down? would it be a 10-9 round or a 10-8 round?
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I repeat, Pea, when did being convincing in a round equal getting knocked down in a round?
When did a 10-8 round equal
clearly losing the first 2:55 before landing one good shot in the final seconds?
He wasnt clearly beating Barrera in the 1st 2.55 of teh round though . Halfway through teh round he got through with his best shots which failed to drop Barrera . He gave it everything he had before falling over .
10-8 ? No way.
I can't tell what you're trying to say here. No way for who? What do you think the score should have been (assuming no point deduction was made for the foul)?
10-8 to Barrera or atleast 10-9 Barrera at the very worst . If Marquez had dominated the entire round apart from the knockdown then I woulda said 10-9 but he didnt
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I repeat, Pea, when did being convincing in a round equal getting knocked down in a round?
When did a 10-8 round equal
clearly losing the first 2:55 before landing one good shot in the final seconds?
He wasnt clearly beating Barrera in the 1st 2.55 of teh round though . Halfway through teh round he got through with his best shots which failed to drop Barrera . He gave it everything he had before falling over .
10-8 ? No way.
I can't tell what you're trying to say here. No way for who? What do you think the score should have been (assuming no point deduction was made for the foul)?
10-8 to Barrera or atleast 10-9 Barrera at the very worst . If Marquez had dominated the entire round apart from the knockdown then I woulda said 10-9 but he didnt
This is where I will disagree with you GAME, I like what you say usually, but Barrera took several flush power shots there and was clearly rocked and not responding with equal shots at all. That final punch was the peach though!!! ;D
The knockdown does only equal out the tough, tough time he had for the previous 80 seconds....a squared round (minus any talk of the deducted point)...
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He completely shut Marquez out through the first six. Marquez won six rounds AT THE MOST and that is being generous. This fight's scoring was a joke and the boxing commission should be ashamed of itself. I am tired of seeing such lopsided bullshit scoring. Barrera won the fight, 115-114 (i counted the knockdown and scored the 7th 9/9 even after the point deduction for the foul).
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I repeat, Pea, when did being convincing in a round equal getting knocked down in a round?
When did a 10-8 round equal
clearly losing the first 2:55 before landing one good shot in the final seconds?
He wasnt clearly beating Barrera in the 1st 2.55 of teh round though . Halfway through teh round he got through with his best shots which failed to drop Barrera . He gave it everything he had before falling over .
10-8 ? No way.
I can't tell what you're trying to say here. No way for who? What do you think the score should have been (assuming no point deduction was made for the foul)?
10-8 to Barrera or atleast 10-9 Barrera at the very worst . If Marquez had dominated the entire round apart from the knockdown then I woulda said 10-9 but he didnt
This is where I will disagree with you GAME, I like what you say usually, but Barrera took several flush power shots there and was clearly rocked and not responding with equal shots at all. That final punch was the peach though!!! ;D
The knockdown does only equal out the tough, tough time he had for the previous 80 seconds....a squared round (minus any talk of the deducted point)...
Nah a knockdown means more than that otherwise Barrera could have just gone down and the round would have been scored the same ? Meaning there was no point of him staying on his feet if he was guna be punished just as badly on the cards regardless . A knockdown means more than landing shots and failing to budge the other guy .
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Re: Barrera vs. Marquez - Disgrace!!!
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I repeat, Pea, when did being convincing in a round equal getting knocked down in a round?
When did a 10-8 round equal
clearly losing the first 2:55 before landing one good shot in the final seconds?
He wasnt clearly beating Barrera in the 1st 2.55 of teh round though . Halfway through teh round he got through with his best shots which failed to drop Barrera . He gave it everything he had before falling over .
10-8 ? No way.
I can't tell what you're trying to say here. No way for who? What do you think the score should have been (assuming no point deduction was made for the foul)?
10-8 to Barrera or atleast 10-9 Barrera at the very worst . If Marquez had dominated the entire round apart from the knockdown then I woulda said 10-9 but he didnt
This is where I will disagree with you GAME, I like what you say usually, but Barrera took several flush power shots there and was clearly rocked and not responding with equal shots at all. That final punch was the peach though!!! ;D
The knockdown does only equal out the tough, tough time he had for the previous 80 seconds....a squared round (minus any talk of the deducted point)...
Nah a knockdown means more than that otherwise Barrera could have just gone down and the round would have been scored the same ? Meaning there was no point of him staying on his feet if he was guna be punished just as badly on the cards regardless . A knockdown means more than landing shots and failing to budge the other guy .
A large number of landed shots that show hurt will even out a knockdown. 1 knockdown is equal to a dominated round. This is the way I score my fights.
I dont know why this is such an issue for you... does Barrera need these extra points to justify his win on your scorecard?!
It sure as hell doesnt play a part on mine!
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I repeat, Pea, when did being convincing in a round equal getting knocked down in a round?
When did a 10-8 round equal
clearly losing the first 2:55 before landing one good shot in the final seconds?
He wasnt clearly beating Barrera in the 1st 2.55 of teh round though . Halfway through teh round he got through with his best shots which failed to drop Barrera . He gave it everything he had before falling over .
10-8 ? No way.
I can't tell what you're trying to say here. No way for who? What do you think the score should have been (assuming no point deduction was made for the foul)?
10-8 to Barrera or atleast 10-9 Barrera at the very worst . If Marquez had dominated the entire round apart from the knockdown then I woulda said 10-9 but he didnt
This is where I will disagree with you GAME, I like what you say usually, but Barrera took several flush power shots there and was clearly rocked and not responding with equal shots at all. That final punch was the peach though!!! ;D
The knockdown does only equal out the tough, tough time he had for the previous 80 seconds....a squared round (minus any talk of the deducted point)...
Nah a knockdown means more than that otherwise Barrera could have just gone down and the round would have been scored the same ? Meaning there was no point of him staying on his feet if he was guna be punished just as badly on the cards regardless . A knockdown means more than landing shots
and failing to budge the other guy .
If I'm remembering the round correctly, Barrera was badly wobbled by a straight right hand earlier in the round. It's not like Marquez spent the first 2:55 jabbing and winning a low-action round. He had Barrera hurt and in trouble for a sizable part of the round. Marquez was on his way to winning the round big, which made the knockdown so much more dramatic, because it came out of nowhere.
