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Re: How Would Ali Have Done In 90s
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by ross
Yeah ok, 90's was in the title
Prime for prime though, If we never saw Mikes demise from Spinks onwards, would you really be willing to bet your house that Ali would win
I think we know the answer to that, NO!!!
Anything can happen in boxing i would never bet at boxing and never have but out of 10 fights i would say Ali would win 7-3.
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Re: How Would Ali Have Done In 90s
These scores are from boxrec from Mikes fight with Tucker
Referee: Mills Lane | Judge: Julio Roldan 118-113 | Judge: Phil Newman 119-111 | Judge: Bill Graham 117-112
Not really a score line depicting a struggle is it
Ali gets to many props, he was tough but the fighters he struggled with were workers like Norton and Frazier whereas Foreman blasted them out, his style let a hard worker or crowder in to work away
Mike would have had a field day
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Re: How Would Ali Have Done In 90s
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Originally Posted by ross
These scores are from boxrec from Mikes fight with Tucker
Referee: Mills Lane | Judge: Julio Roldan 118-113 | Judge: Phil Newman 119-111 | Judge: Bill Graham 117-112
Not really a score line depicting a struggle is it
Ali gets to many props, he was tough but the fighters he struggled with were workers like Norton and Frazier whereas Foreman blasted them out, his style let a hard worker or crowder in to work away
Mike would have had a field day
Tyson did struggle he won 8 rounds to 4 and if Tucker wouldn't have injured his hand after 1st round he could have had better shot Norton gave Ali trouble because he had weird style and Ali used to love guys like Tyson who come right at him so he could dance throw jab then when they got close hold then repeat ect.
And also Tucker done blueprint on how to beat Tyson he just couldn't keep it up.
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Re: How Would Ali Have Done In 90s
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Tyson did struggle he won 8 rounds
Ok, winning 8 rounds is struggling ?
;D ;) ::**
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Re: How Would Ali Have Done In 90s
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Originally Posted by ross
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Tyson did struggle he won 8 rounds
Ok, winning 8 rounds is struggling ?
;D ;) ::**
Yes because no one except Tillis had gave Tyson trouble i think Tucker was doing pretty good job of sticking and moving shame he couldn't keep it up.
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Re: How Would Ali Have Done In 90s
Winning Two thirds of a fight is not struggling
Phil Newman 119-111
Thats an 8 point difference, in his eyes Mike lost one round
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Re: How Would Ali Have Done In 90s
You have to be a certifiable insane person to even mention Tyson in he same breath as Ali. Ali is legend...Tyson ultimately has become a side show freak. The evidence is right there for all of you to see: the only two great fighters Tyson faced in his career (Lewis and Holyfield) handed him his a**. It's true that that Tyson might now have been "prime" at that point...but ultimately that is all the evidence we have of him against great competition. And yet some people believe that he can face one of the greatest athletes and mentally toughest/smartest boxers that has ever lived in Ali...and would beat him. That's funny.
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Re: How Would Ali Have Done In 90s
a prime ali would would beat 90s tyson, tyson was only good for about 5 rds...
.....prime match up im picking tyson,ali didnt have the power to ko tyson over 12 and alis defence if you notice he didnt go side to side he went straight back and tyson would catch him i see ali going down but surving 12 on the run....tyson ud
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Non of this is to hate on Mike, because like a lot of people i grew up watching him fight. But ultimately Tyson was a mentally troubled person. So it's frustrating to hear people always say "Well. that wasn't prime Tyson." Tyson in the early part of his career got by with his tremendous power (and not to mention some shoddy opposition) and the guidance of Gus. But you got the sense that he was always a ticking time bomb. He was just not mentally fit or strong. I just could not see him prevail against a great, smart fighter.
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Re: How Would Ali Have Done In 90s
i think lewis would give ali fits
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Re: How Would Ali Have Done In 90s
In both there primes i think Lewis beats Ali , because he is so much bigger ,
This is why comparing fighters from different era's is hard.
you can only be as good as the time in which u fight.
id also give the cruiser - everly heavyweight Holyfield who was fast and busy a shot at a prime Ali.
As for Tyson i think any fighter who fought him back would stop him.
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Re: How Would Ali Have Done In 90s
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
How would prime Ali have done in this era ill make few match ups and see if you agree
Lennox Lewis vs Ali = Ali outjab's Lewis and wins decision
Riddick Bowe vs Ali = Ali to quick on his feet and jab would give Bowe problems Ali wins decision
Ray Mercer vs Ali = Ali way way to quick for Mercer and wins comfortable decision
Mike Tyson vs Ali = Doesn't matter if its early 90s Tyson or late 90s Tyson Ali stops Tyson late
Evander Holyfield vs Ali = In good fight Ali wins decision but this fight would be bit harder than people expect
Tommy Morrison vs Ali = No doubt in my mind Ali stops Morrison in middle rounds
Oliver McCall vs Ali = Ali shuts out Oliver and wins one sided decision
Right i think i covered most of them do you guys and girls agree with this ??
ALI is the most overated boxer of all time. he would have got his butt kicked by lewis, tyson, mccall etc.
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Re: How Would Ali Have Done In 90s
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Originally Posted by SEANIE
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
How would prime Ali have done in this era ill make few match ups and see if you agree
Lennox Lewis vs Ali = Ali outjab's Lewis and wins decision
Riddick Bowe vs Ali = Ali to quick on his feet and jab would give Bowe problems Ali wins decision
Ray Mercer vs Ali = Ali way way to quick for Mercer and wins comfortable decision
Mike Tyson vs Ali = Doesn't matter if its early 90s Tyson or late 90s Tyson Ali stops Tyson late
Evander Holyfield vs Ali = In good fight Ali wins decision but this fight would be bit harder than people expect
Tommy Morrison vs Ali = No doubt in my mind Ali stops Morrison in middle rounds
Oliver McCall vs Ali = Ali shuts out Oliver and wins one sided decision
Right i think i covered most of them do you guys and girls agree with this ??
ALI is the most overated boxer of all time. he would have got his butt kicked by lewis, tyson, mccall etc.
Ali would of lost to McCall now i have seen everything ::**
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OK people want to know how Ali would have done vs a Prime Tyson.....well Liston and Foreman had Tyson's mentality....and Patterson had Tyson's style
Those guys didn't do well at all vs Ali
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Re: How Would Ali Have Done In 90s
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Originally Posted by Lyle
OK people want to know how Ali would have done vs a Prime Tyson.....well Liston and Foreman had Tyson's mentality....and Patterson had Tyson's style
Those guys didn't do well at all vs Ali
Liston and Foreman Slow and powerful with 0 defense.... Tyson was Explosive with speed and power with nice compact punches along with superb head movement and ability to slip a punch quite easily.
Patterson was to small lacked chin and didnt have the physical presence or power of Mike
Remeber Tyson had an Excellent chin and could absorb a great deal of punishment....
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What has Tyson ever done to make some of you think he could beat Ali?! No question in the early part of his career he was a physical beast...but who did he fight? The great fighters he eventually faced, even though he was past his "prime", dismantled him with ease. The man was a head case. Would it have been an easy fight for Ali...probably not. But Ali was on a completely different level. It's amazing this discussion is even being had. Tyson enthralled us all with his athleticism...but he was never a great boxer...maybe he would have been if he wasn't a troubled person who lost his way. We will never know. But Ali was a tremendous athlete, iron chinned, incredibly smart, and had tremendous stamina....and he was afraid of no one.
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Re: How Would Ali Have Done In 90s
Tyson would ko Ali in about 4 or five rounds.
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Re: How Would Ali Have Done In 90s
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Originally Posted by TYSONBESTEVER
Tyson would ko Ali in about 4 or five rounds.
Can't take someone seriously when they have TYSONBESTEVER ::** and that is totally wrong statement what you said anyway.
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Why have you give me a sad click for that mate its just just my opinion.
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Re: How Would Ali Have Done In 90s
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Originally Posted by zhubin
What has Tyson ever done to make some of you think he could beat Ali?! No question in the early part of his career he was a physical beast...but who did he fight? The great fighters he eventually faced, even though he was past his "prime", dismantled him with ease. The man was a head case. Would it have been an easy fight for Ali...probably not. But Ali was on a completely different level. It's amazing this discussion is even being had. Tyson enthralled us all with his athleticism...but he was never a great boxer...maybe he would have been if he wasn't a troubled person who lost his way. We will never know. But Ali was a tremendous athlete, iron chinned, incredibly smart, and had tremendous stamina....and he was afraid of no one.
Tell me one thing; why on earth should boxing be The very only thing where time, development and evo should not matters?
Ali would lose big time to a guy like Sasha and even Denise B. Ali was a small HW and would be like very undersized now and would be slow and very limited skilled compared to todays boxers. Just nature even you like Ali.
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Re: How Would Ali Have Done In 90s
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Originally Posted by TYSONBESTEVER
Why have you give me a sad click for that mate its just just my opinion.
I didn't sadclick you i don't sadclick people for there opinions and just to prove i didn't have :coolclick:
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Re: How Would Ali Have Done In 90s
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by TYSONBESTEVER
Why have you give me a sad click for that mate its just just my opinion.
I didn't sadclick you i don't sadclick people for there opinions and just to prove i didn't have :coolclick:
Ok mate fair play
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Re: How Would Ali Have Done In 90s
Elephant youve come the closes to me giving a sad click you talk utter crap. Get your facts straight
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Re: How Would Ali Have Done In 90s
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Originally Posted by Elephant Beer
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Originally Posted by zhubin
What has Tyson ever done to make some of you think he could beat Ali?! No question in the early part of his career he was a physical beast...but who did he fight? The great fighters he eventually faced, even though he was past his "prime", dismantled him with ease. The man was a head case. Would it have been an easy fight for Ali...probably not. But Ali was on a completely different level. It's amazing this discussion is even being had. Tyson enthralled us all with his athleticism...but he was never a great boxer...maybe he would have been if he wasn't a troubled person who lost his way. We will never know. But Ali was a tremendous athlete, iron chinned, incredibly smart, and had tremendous stamina....and he was afraid of no one.
Tell me one thing; why on earth should boxing be The very only thing where time, development and evo should not matters?
Ali would lose big time to a guy like Sasha and even Denise B. Ali was a small HW and would be like very undersized now and would be slow and very limited skilled compared to todays boxers. Just nature even you like Ali.
Ali wern't that small 6 foot 3 220s and how would being in fat crap division like now make Ali slower ?? in fact it would make Ali look much much faster because all hws today are slow as shite fact.
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Re: How Would Ali Have Done In 90s
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Elephant Beer
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Originally Posted by zhubin
What has Tyson ever done to make some of you think he could beat Ali?! No question in the early part of his career he was a physical beast...but who did he fight? The great fighters he eventually faced, even though he was past his "prime", dismantled him with ease. The man was a head case. Would it have been an easy fight for Ali...probably not. But Ali was on a completely different level. It's amazing this discussion is even being had. Tyson enthralled us all with his athleticism...but he was never a great boxer...maybe he would have been if he wasn't a troubled person who lost his way. We will never know. But Ali was a tremendous athlete, iron chinned, incredibly smart, and had tremendous stamina....and he was afraid of no one.
Tell me one thing; why on earth should boxing be The very only thing where time, development and evo should not matters?
Ali would lose big time to a guy like Sasha and even Denise B. Ali was a small HW and would be like very undersized now and would be slow and very limited skilled compared to todays boxers. Just nature even you like Ali.
Ali wern't that small 6 foot 3 220s and how would being in fat crap division like now make Ali slower ?? in fact it would make Ali look much much faster because all hws today are slow as shite fact.
Okay, you are right. Ali would have easily defeated Valuev or Wlad. In boxing time is not clicking....
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I think tyson, lewis nd holyfeild would have a chance to be him with lewis being the most likely as i think he would have a chance of outboxing ali nd also i think joe louis could of beat ali nd he would have gave marciano his first loss had the fight happened when he was in his prime. nd yes i do think ali would stop wlad in 6 but im not sure if he could stop valuev but he would definately outpoint him with ease
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Re: How Would Ali Have Done In 90s
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Originally Posted by Elephant Beer
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Originally Posted by zhubin
What has Tyson ever done to make some of you think he could beat Ali?! No question in the early part of his career he was a physical beast...but who did he fight? The great fighters he eventually faced, even though he was past his "prime", dismantled him with ease. The man was a head case. Would it have been an easy fight for Ali...probably not. But Ali was on a completely different level. It's amazing this discussion is even being had. Tyson enthralled us all with his athleticism...but he was never a great boxer...maybe he would have been if he wasn't a troubled person who lost his way. We will never know. But Ali was a tremendous athlete, iron chinned, incredibly smart, and had tremendous stamina....and he was afraid of no one.
Tell me one thing; why on earth should boxing be The very only thing where time, development and evo should not matters?
Ali would lose big time to a guy like Sasha and even Denise B. Ali was a small HW and would be like very undersized now and would be slow and very limited skilled compared to todays boxers. Just nature even you like Ali.
I will assume you are either joking or simply trying to get a rise out of people. For the record...today's heavyweights are an embarrassment to the division...probably one of the weakest era's for what is usually boxings glamour weight class.
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Re: How Would Ali Have Done In 90s
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Originally Posted by warreng
I think tyson, lewis nd holyfeild would have a chance to be him with lewis being the most likely as i think he would have a chance of outboxing ali nd also i think joe louis could of beat ali nd he would have gave marciano his first loss had the fight happened when he was in his prime. nd yes i do think ali would stop wlad in 6 but im not sure if he could stop valuev but he would definately outpoint him with ease
Joe Louis wouldn't beat Ali he was flatfooted and was being easily outboxed by Billy Conn because of his movement same reason why Ali would beat him.
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So in summary, no one from the 90's has a hope nor prayer. Anyone that thinks otherwise is wrong?
Bit of a waste of ten pages this wasnt it?
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Re: How Would Ali Have Done In 90s
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Originally Posted by Memphis
So in summary, no one from the 90's has a hope nor prayer. Anyone that thinks otherwise is wrong?
Bit of a waste of ten pages this wasnt it?
Memphis i didn't say they wouldn't have chance i said reasons why Ali could win doesn't mean he would win in boxing there is no way of saying 100 percent he would win of course not Lewis has chance so do couple of others but all im doing is reason's why Ali could win.
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C'mon mate. Take a look at the way your going about getting your point across
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by TYSONBESTEVER
Tyson would ko Ali in about 4 or five rounds.
Can't take someone seriously when they have TYSONBESTEVER ::** and that is totally wrong statement what you said anyway.
If that isnt 'Im right your wrong' I dont know what is.
Your persistance is to be admired though ;D
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Originally Posted by Memphis
C'mon mate. Take a look at the way your going about getting your point across
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by TYSONBESTEVER
Tyson would ko Ali in about 4 or five rounds.
Can't take someone seriously when they have TYSONBESTEVER ::** and that is totally wrong statement what you said anyway.
If that isnt 'Im right your wrong' I dont know what is.
Your persistance is to be admired though ;D
i gave him cc its all good mate sometimes im little harsh but i mean no harm i like a debate Memphis and i never give up ;)
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Well he might not of been the most fleet footed fighter but he hit harder then ali nd had gd handspeed nd as for the conn fight he may of struggled but con was fast clever boxer who made it difficult for joe nd its not as if ali found it easy against every one as he had plenty of trouble against norton spinks so i dont how u can use one fight to say ali would easily beat louis
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Re: How Would Ali Have Done In 90s
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Memphis
C'mon mate. Take a look at the way your going about getting your point across
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by TYSONBESTEVER
Tyson would ko Ali in about 4 or five rounds.
Can't take someone seriously when they have TYSONBESTEVER ::** and that is totally wrong statement what you said anyway.
If that isnt 'Im right your wrong' I dont know what is.
Your persistance is to be admired though ;D
i gave him cc its all good mate sometimes im little harsh but i mean no harm i like a debate Memphis and i never give up ;)
Your not going to start a "No one had a better jab than Larry Holmes............Did they?" Thread are you? ;D
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Re: How Would Ali Have Done In 90s
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Originally Posted by warreng
Well he might not of been the most fleet footed fighter but he hit harder then ali nd had gd handspeed nd as for the conn fight he may of struggled but con was fast clever boxer who made it difficult for joe nd its not as if ali found it easy against every one as he had plenty of trouble against norton spinks so i dont how u can use one fight to say ali would easily beat louis
You answered my question Warren Conn was fast on his feet and very clever boxer just like Ali was except Ali wouldn't stand and trade and get koed while ahead like Conn did and Ali was well past it against Spinks and he gave Spinks lesson in rematch anyway ;) and like i said before Norton had very weird style that confused Ali only 3 or 4 hws ever had style like Norton.
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If you think about it how does a blown up lt heavy who 4 years ago you would have given a chance of beating anyone of the champions james Toney, go against Ali, I dont think so
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Re: How Would Ali Have Done In 90s
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Originally Posted by Memphis
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Memphis
C'mon mate. Take a look at the way your going about getting your point across
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by TYSONBESTEVER
Tyson would ko Ali in about 4 or five rounds.
Can't take someone seriously when they have TYSONBESTEVER ::** and that is totally wrong statement what you said anyway.
If that isnt 'Im right your wrong' I dont know what is.
Your persistance is to be admired though ;D
i gave him cc its all good mate sometimes im little harsh but i mean no harm i like a debate Memphis and i never give up ;)
Your not going to start a "No one had a better jab than Larry Holmes............Did they?" Thread are you? ;D
You spoiled it now Memphis ;D
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ali takes them all. if he happens to lose one he wins the rematch.
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yeah i c ur point about the styles but louis did go into the fight under 200lbs as conn was stepping up in weight nd he didnt want the difference to be to much plus like he won easily the second fihgt. but i still think louis would have a gd chance of beating ali nd u realy think ali would stay on the outside for the whole fight? i dont think he would as im sure youve seen his fights against foreman frazier or shavers.So for me this fight could go either way a possible ko or ud for either fighter.
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Re: How Would Ali Have Done In 90s
using logic , one would think Ali would have been right in the thick of it .
