Define "we."Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
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Define "we."Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
You know Lyle he's right give him the credit for posting crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
In what way is it crap ?Quote:
Originally Posted by USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Funny thing thats about the same $ figure that was quoted on a documentary on cocain profits allowed to enter your country by your top officals,while they point the finger at a slum gang (no13) whos total membership including the leader live in the slums and can only afford to smoke gunga themsleves,no coke for them! Your goverment backs the goverment and local cop war against them with cocain as the excuse.
Wool over the eyes of the public yet again?
To blame the 13s for billlions of dollars worth of coke ??? (Why do they live in slums if they are to blame for Billions)..That right it doesnt add up.
But it does add up when trying to balance out your countries way of life, which in reality is all you can do now that the way is set.
The cash only economy isnt a total loss either, like its sometimes made out to be, these people right or wrong "legally" haha, (America legal/ ha Lyle:Teamsters /Mob/coke /aside form all the politics you all have been talking about,ha ).
Any way those people dont hide the money or burn it up so you have get more gold stock to make more. They use it to survive and so it is rolled back into the system instantly through purchaces and is then taxed on once again right there.It has created some thriving businesses that if stopped now would create a void that only your other illegal side of life over there could and would instantly start to fill anyway.
Australia is different in taxes and %; but we got it all here too..
If I hire an illeagal imigrant I have to pay approx 22% tax firstly on my leagal dollars earned, including the cash dollars that I then give him; so It costs me $1.22 to hire him although it appears to some that its only a straight dollar.
I dont see it as a major calamity that will bring down our structure its just a minor hicup as its only one minor stage of loss in that dollars tax life; that then goes on and on through the system anyway; Its taxed before and after him ,he not tucking it under the bed he is only just surviving and his family is only just surviving and my heart over rules my mind in those cases.
Cool clicks to all invoved here ,you are all very smart men,much more educated than I and you all have so much more room for all that info in those brains than I have for sure !
I apparently have a large IQ but I am uneducated past 8th year so I can only suggest you dont outweigh your hearts feelings with your analytical or learned thoughts cause that comes back to test you eventually through some reverse circumstances to the points you feel you have to hold onto.
....I am for the legalization and government control of drugs....might as well have the users pay for their treatment and be able to fund a whole bunch of government programs.
You just can't win the war on drugs....prohibition works about as well as wealth redistribution.
That stuff actually happened and is well documented (far beyond wikipedia). Iraq was never a country. It was one religious fanatic group after another doing everything in its power to kill off its religious/ territorial opponents until it was over thrown. Infact thats all the entire middle east is and will continue to be until the religious nuts are taken out of power. That's all its ever been. We were attacked by a religious fanatic group that stems from the middle east. Saddam used to kill off thousands of kurds at a time with WMD's that he infact had and used. As far as i'm concerned, thats one less problem we have to deal with over there. The problem would be fixed if the region was inhabited by reasonable people but instead its filled with easily manipulateable people who put their "religious purpose" ahead of being a human.Quote:
Originally Posted by Missy
The conflict between muslims and jews/ christians predates america and infact started back during the roman empire. Even then muslim groups had the belief that only their religion was right and would threaten people in the middle east to either join it or lose their life. A branch of muslims have been taught generation after generation from its 600a.d. or so inception to hate christians and jews and any such power in the world. They would've attacked us no matter what, good thing we're fixing the problem now. Luckily they are too dumb to advance on their own and weren't even a threat until they had an operative steal one of our military training manuals (he was given this chance because we have to be nice to everybody in america).Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
The middle class has to pay so many taxes now because the US population has grown far beyond a natural and regulated level in a very short period of time. We would always have to pay taxes, but they wouldn't be as bad if there wasn't millions of more people pouring in each year than is necessary. And you think that the democratic solution of making a universal healthcare system is gonna fix that? The dollar is collapsing and we're in debt bad enough right now (insert your bullshit idea of how thats all bush seniors fault when the national debt existed far before he came into office. Yes he's an idiot and hasn't really done anything productive in anyway, but one man cannot bring down america). You wanna laugh at bushes tax cut, wait til you see what that does to the american economy.
Earlier this year, liberal crazy california passed a law that gave all of its state workers extra medical coverage to include such things as hormone therapy and sex change surgeries. I don't care what bullshit ideology you were raised on, that's not normal or acceptable. If someone was ment to be a woman they would've been born a woman. The purpose of any living animal is to perpetuate its species. Running with the logic that someone was "born" gay implies that they serve a much higher purpose in the world and seeing that a good bit of them are very anti-religion, that doesn't pan out either.
Where in the Middle East are the religious nuts in power?Quote:
Originally Posted by Punisher136
And
'The problem would be fixed if the region was inhabited by reasonable people but instead its filled with easily manipulateable people who put their "religious purpose" ahead of being a human.'
is what they say about us. They say till we stop doing what we're doing to them that there'll never be peace. And they show that every time they're allowed to vote, but we ignore their democratic aspirations and prop up the dictators who rule them.
Yes!Quote:
Originally Posted by Punisher136
And they now continue to brain wash others into their false belifes.
They can be proved right on some points, but the fact is, so can we.
Its all down to points of view and letting others have theirs so we can all live in peace.
Killing into another country with other excuses for our arrival may make them right in some cases ;just as we can justify being there and terminating them on our western so called christian principles makes us right in some cases too.
They are both false rights really, just like the two wrongs expression.
If the USA gov are that heartfelt about injustices to innocents you would be walking in on North Korea (who have stated they are a direct threat to you and also refuse to de-arm themselves as well):
So why arent you guys walking into that anti human rights exterminating unit at this miniute?
So america hasn't fixed hunger in third world countries yet, so what? There's atleast 20 other well off advanced countries and I don't see them fixing too much of anything either. Well if they want to believe that their god is helping them to victory and they will in the end "defeat the white american devil by allah's grace" I say we let them invade this country with "god's will" and we will show them the beauty of the second amendment. Forget them trying to only have 4,000 odd casualties over 5 years, I'd like to see them have atleast one person left standing in 5 hours. "War doesn't determine who is right, it determines who is left"- Patton
No ,
Im just wondering that if the real reason for the Iraq invasion was because of a mad dictator on an eradication trip;
Whats the difference between Iraq and North Korea?
In 1953, Iran was a secular democratic country. Their prime minister was Time Magazine's Man of The Year for bringing democracy to his country. But they made the mistake of thinking they controlled their own oil, so we overthrew their government and installed and trained and propped up for decades a military dictatorship that tortured or killed at least one member of every Iranian family. The anger against us built up and led to the Iranian revolution in 1979. That's why they don't like us very much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Punisher136
The middle class pay more taxes because the GOP since Reagan have tilted the tax burden their way.
Immigrants even according to a rightwing think tank only cost ten billion a year. In a thriteen trillion economy that's a rounding error.
Undocumenteds can't claim benefits so if they're not working they can't stay in America. They're all there working, dude. They're there to earn money. All the lazy Mexicans stay at home.
The parts of the US healthcare system that are the most efficient are the parts that are currently socialised. The parts that are corporate welfare are the ones that make US healthcare the world's most expensive by far.
The dollar is collapsing because Bush is printing epic quantities of them to prevent the economy going into recession on his watch. Look here :
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=3870728
The Fed keeps making these "temporary injections" every few weeks now. All it is is more dollars printed to keep the economy from tanking.
Here's a piece of art for you :
At the hearing, Senator Charles E. Schumer of New York, chairman of the Joint Economic Committee, urged Mr. Bernanke to act more aggressively to stimulate the economy. "I’m very concerned that there may be a bigger storm on the horizon," he said.
But Mr. Bernanke refused to budge. Indeed, he referred first to the Fed’s attention to "price stability" and second to its interest in "sustainable growth."
That did little to cheer lawmakers. In an early sign of the political pressure that the Fed is likely to face if the economy falters next year, Senator Brownback, who recently abandoned his Republican campaign for president, pleaded with Mr. Bernanke to cut interest rates in time for the Christmas shopping season.
"It seems to me that now is the time," Mr. Brownback said. "When those gas prices get up to $3 a gallon, it seems to hit some sort of psychological point in consumer’s mind that 'I have less to spend,' and that’s a reality for them."
New York Times
November 8, 2007
If prices went up, people demanded not a stable purchasing power for the marks they had, but more marks to buy what they needed. More marks were printed, and more, and more.
Adam Fergusson
When Money Dies
How about that? I'm an installation artist. I'm Saddoboxing's answer to Salvador Dali.
We're cutting interest rates to fuel more easy money and printing the stuff faster than we can lend it. It's like 1930s Germany.
Yes the national debt existed, but under Clinton the budget turned into surplus for the first time in generations and we actually paid the national debt down for two years until Bush cut taxes and revenues cratered.
One man probably can't bring down America, but he's trying as hard as he can.
We don't have to wait to see how things turned out with Bush's tax cuts, here we are :
Tax revenues have always doubled every ten years, which helps them just about keep pace with inflation and increased spending. Inflation and spending are increasing hugely under Bush, so we'd better hope those tax cuts are boosting revenues for the future, right? Let's look at the numbers, with historical numbers included for a bit of context :
In 1950 we had $45 billion in revenues, which jumped to $91 by 1960. The link only shows from 1962, so you'll just have to take my word for it.
From $91 billion in 1960, we jumped to $192 billion in 1970.
In 1980, revenues jumped to a massive $517 billion, although the extra revenue was inflation caused by two disastrous external oil price spikes beyond our control.
By 1990, revenues had jumped from $517 to $1032 billion, again doubling.
In 2000, revenues had doubled again from $1032 to $2025.
Bush's 2001 tax cut was backdated to Q1 2001, so the cut was in place from the first day of fiscal year 2001. So by 2005, we should have been looking at revenues in the region of $3000 billion plus the extra revenue growth from the tax cuts, right?
Here are the numbers :
2000 : $2025
Bush tax cut
2001 : $1991
2002 : $1853
Bush tax cut
2003 : $1782
2004 : $1880
2005 : $2153
Here are the numbers for income tax, the tax that is supposed to grow the most in response to a cut :
1960 : $41.7 billion
1970 : $90.4
1980 : $244.1
1990 : $466.9
2000 : $1004.5
Bush tax cut
2001 : $994.3
2002 : $858.3
Bush tax cut
2003 : $793.7
2004 : $809.0
2005 : $927.2
2006 : $1043.9
http://www.cbo.gov/budget/historical.shtml
So instead of hitting $4000 billion in revenues by the end of the decade, we're looking at over a trillion dollars a year shortfall. In a $13 trillion economy that's a big chunk of money. Obviously, taxes are going to go through the roof soon to cover that 25% revenue shortfall.
Can you guess who'll be paying that extra trillion a year, the top 1% who've doubled their share of the national income since 1980, or low/middle income earners ?
That's an impressive amount to get wrong in one short paragraph. Are you trying to set a world record?
As for the last paragraph it just makes me happy that religious conservatives are a minority in the societies of the liberal west and not the majority as in Middle Eastern countries.
We maybe be good, but we can't take on everything at one time. Sitting around and hoping it goes away thru defeatism isn't gonna do it tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
Iraq have oil and no WMD, hence invasion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
North Korea have no oil and WMD, hence we flip flop and make peace with them.
Here's another piece of art I produced earlier :
North Korea is a regime arming with missiles and weapons of mass destruction, while starving its citizens..... States like these, and their terrorist allies, constitute an axis of evil, arming to threaten the peace of the world. By seeking weapons of mass destruction, these regimes pose a grave and growing danger. They could provide these arms to terrorists, giving them the means to match their hatred. They could attack our allies or attempt to blackmail the United States. In any of these cases, the price of indifference would be catastrophic.
Président Georges W Bush
January 29, 2002
We learned a lesson: The dangers of our time must be confronted actively and forcefully, before we see them again in our skies and in our cities. And we set a goal: we will not allow the triumph of hatred and violence in the affairs of men. (Applause.)
Président Georges W Bush
February 26, 2003
Washington -- The United States and Japan will maintain a united position toward North Korea and will cooperate on missile defense, as well as continuing to dissuade Pyongyang from launching a long-range ballistic missile, President Bush told reporters at the White House June 29.
"We both agreed that it's very important for us to remain united in sending a clear message to the North Korean leader that, first of all, launching the missile is unacceptable. There's been no briefings as to what's on top of the missile. They haven't told anybody where the missile's going," Bush said.
Reuters
29 June 2006
North Korea test-fired a seventh missile Wednesday -- amid international furor over the regime's launch of six missiles just hours earlier.The Japanese Defense Agency said one ballistic missile was fired from southeastern North Korea around 5:20 p.m. (4:20 a.m. ET), landing in the Sea of Japan about 10 minutes later.
The range of the missile has not been confirmed by CNN. However, Japanese news agencies said it was medium-range.
The seventh test came after North Korea launched one long-range and five shorter-range missiles shortly after 3:30 a.m. Wednesday (2:30 p.m. Tuesday ET). Those tests lasted about five hours.
CNN
4thJuly, 2006
On the threat from North Korea's nuclear program, the Prime Minister and I see the problem exactly the same way. We will not tolerate nuclear weapons in North Korea. We will not give into blackmail.
Président Georges W Bush
May 23, 2003
WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush on Monday denounced a reported potential North Korean nuclear test as provocative, "unacceptable" and a threat to global peace and security.
Associated Press
September 12th, 2006
UNITED NATIONS - The world's nations expressed opposition to North Korea on Monday for staging a nuclear test denounced even by key allies. President Bush called it “a threat to international peace and security,” and called for the U.N. Security Council weighed severe sanctions to punish the impoverished but reclusive communist nation.
Bush said the action deserves "an immediate response by the United Nations Security Council."
Oct. 9, 2006
http://www.chapellerie-traclet.com/h...eret-black.jpg
Two months before North Korea tested its first nuclear weapon, President Bush was asked about a Treasury Department investigation of North Korean counterfeiting of $100 bills, which had ruptured talks on ending Pyongyang's nuclear programs. "Counterfeiting U.S. dollars is an issue that every president ought to be concerned about," he replied bluntly during an August news conference. "And when you catch people counterfeiting your money, you need to do something about it."
Yesterday, the Bush administration agreed to allow those suspected counterfeiters, along with other North Koreans suspected of money laundering and other fraud, to get their money back -- with no strings attached -- in the hopes it will ensure that North Korea shuts down its nuclear reactor by the end of the week. About $25 million had been frozen by Macau authorities, with about half clearly derived from criminal enterprises, U.S. officials said.
John R. Bolton, the former U.N. ambassador who has emerged as a critic of the nuclear deal, said the retreat is "an image of surrender that is going to be hard to erase." Returning the money to entities that committed fraud "will have a dilapidating effect on bringing sanctions against Iran and other rogue states," he said. "It is a terrible symbol."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...041001805.html
IS that an Atoll or a french hat?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
It's the Beret of Shame™.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
...but where are the pesky facts to support this?
In the Pesky files. (remember that Sinfield episode ? )
Come on Monsieur Lylé, I'm still waiting for a reply. Even if it's just your beliefs instead of actual facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
A reply on what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Go ahead post some questions that SPECIFICALLY ASK FOR MY FEELINGS AND OPINIONS like you've done throughout this thread.
You dislike my view that a FAIR TAX is indeed FAIR and infact good for the lower class of society and here are some FACTS.
#1 - there's a prebate on necesities. So if the family in question buys $500 in power, gas, and groceries they get that $500 every month to use for the next month of gas, power, and groceries.
#2 - they have to pay a higher percentage of their wages??? THEY GET 100% of their paycheck AND they don't have to pay any piddly income taxes. And they don't have to worry about payroll taxes.
Again these are ESTIMATES however that makes your OPINION just as worthless as you think mine is.
And one thing the French are doing correctly is tossing out illegal immigrants...the ENGLISH meanwhile are getting it up the ass from Radical elements of Islam....for example, the teacher in the Sudan...where was the English government?
A reply to my last post, Monsieur.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
The British teacher got released today. George W Bush is an appeaser of radical Iranian groups. Not only an appeaser, but a flip flopping appeaser. He even invites them to the White House.
.....I don't support Bush.....but I also don't think he's the Devil incarnate. Is that ok?
So no answer then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Keep your Friends close and your enemies closer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
So why not start out with that policy to start with ? Why not openly embrace guys like the leader of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq just after 9/11 instead of pretending you were going to go after them. Because when you do threaten to go after them then end up having to invite them to the White House it makes you look like a total flip-flopping appeasing Frenchman. It makes it look like the Muslims kicked your arse to the Muslim world. It emboldens them -- Bush is emboldening the Islamic extremists out there by appeasing his declared enemies, so how is that a smart move ?
You can tell anyones side through their lifes work not but what they speak.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Bush is a false Christian obviously via their own first commandment of 'thou shall not kill'.
Self defence is one thing vengence is another.
...but the "true muslims" break no laws of Allah???Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
George W. is a simple example of "the road to hell is paved with good intentions". I make no statements about who is a good christian or good at following this religion or that....that is not for me to judge but for people to be real with themselves....some maybe are misguided but it is not up to me or anyone but the individual to sort out their faith.
And yes I did vote for him twice but what choice was I given...Al Gore and John Kerry....it's like the South Park when the boys have to choose between a Giant Douche and a Turd Sandwich as school mascot
Religious conservatives of any religion cause trouble, it isn't just limited to Islam. Especially the real nutjobs, the ones who think that they're god's chosen people.
Al Gore would have been an outstanding president. Even the Frenchman Kerry would have been an improvement on Bush.
Al Gore would have been a shit President....of course he'd be great IF I LIVED IN ENGLAND.
Gore talks down to people and he's a hypocrit....who uses more power the average American or Al Gore???? AL GORE! Not only do I dislike his theories on the environment...his smug attitude is no different than W's cavilier both guns blazing attitude. He had HUGE downsides and still does to this day and much like Bill and Hillary Clinton he's good at re-writing history....
[yt=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bogBwAby3so[/yt]
and he's just as stupid as W too, he just never wants anyone to know it
[yt=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DIK2qppQoI[/yt]
As for John Kerry, he was also a tin man much like Al Gore. And he tried to make everyone think he was smarter than W......but he had trouble expressing this. Just take a look for yourself.
[yt=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CKOHiT8vr0[/yt]
[yt=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXwCrpMHkYc[/yt]
And this dandy "I voted for it before I voted against it".....he truly is a brilliant man and obviously can make up his mind about serious issues with confidence.
[yt=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esUTn6L0UDU[/yt]
These two idiots made W out to be what he is a limited thinker, a bull in a china shop when it comes to diplomacy, and yet in the end they got out debated and looked dumber than him....it's just AMAZING such an idiot can make those two geniuses look as bad as they did.
And for one whether someone is smarter than me is no biggy but when they speak AT me and not TO me and treat me and the American voters like we are some low life rubes who need not try to understand anything other than "I'm from the government and I'm here to help"....when the liberals or A democratic candidate stops trying to invade my privacy and stop trying to make me DEPENDENT on the federal government I will consider voting for one for President but until that day it's not going to happen, I will vote Republican, Libertarian, or Third Party.
I agree with the views of certain individuals (mainly Huckabee and McCain right now) and right now none of them are running for the Presidency for the Democrats and if you hate me for agreeing and benefiting from their views then get your person voted in.
....as for your statements about religion KL spirituality is not a bad thing especially if you see the "word of God" as metaphor for life and how you can live your life in a positive way and guidance for how you can handle certain situations.....as metaphor all spirituality and all religions give answers and they are usually good ones.
I haven't read the Q'uran or anything, I may eventually get to it but watching this DVD "The Power of Myth" with Joseph Campbell was very interesting and entertaining and not "religious" by spiritual and it really explains how all religions share similar stories (ie creation, great flood, etc). I hope you check that out
ANDRE you really need to check out "Power of Myth" I can tell by your intrest in things like Tao te Ching you'd dig it...check it out
Creation mythologies ....shows similarities in different cultures
[yt=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=062_Tc3A2HA[/yt]
The Aum
[yt=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FH-u6DokWU[/yt]
You voted for George Bush and you're calling Gore a hypocrite? Seriously?
People like Gore and Kerry are very similar indeed to fourth generation Connecticut banking family Harvard-legacy draft-evading faux-Texan George W Bush. The pretend cowboy Bush however leads a party that's determined to f*ck you up the arse as much as possible. When people like Gore or Kerry try and do something positive for low/middle income Americans they're derided as hypocrites, rich guys who don't really care about you. But what does that make people like Bush? Dude, all politicians at that level are multi millionaires. The only question is how badly do they screw you personally over. And the GOP claiming to be "real Americans" is the biggest bit of hypocrisy imaginable.
Just take energy as an example. Al Gore probably uses less or about as much electricity as the Bush family 500 acre compound in Connecticut, which is fully staffed by a bunch of servants year-round. But he actually wants to get America to invest billions in clean energy technologies which would mean no more involvement needed in the Middle East, huge economic benefits, no huge CO2 production warming up the world etc.
Bush on the other hand wants to spend trillions cranking up the war industry to go and steal other countries' fossil fuels, something that creates war and endless terrorism against the US, does nothing to stop global warming, puts America trillions of dollars in debt etc.
Yet Gore is derided as an energy hog when his personal consumption is all offset by carbon credits anyway and Bush is a "real American" for using the US army as cannon fodder to secure oilfields for his buddies.
There really must be some kind of Moonie mind control going on over there for people to believe the stuff you do.
You're right, religion kept as a personal thing can be a great thing, the problem comes when a group of people or even worse a national leader arrogates god for themselves and claims that they're carrying out god's will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
...it depends on what will is God's....if it's feeding all the starving children in Africaand creating World Peace or eradicating an entire race of people.
It can still be good depending on how it is used
Couldnt agree more ,yet I didnt say the muslim fundamantalist side never break Allhas law .This is much bigger than just sides at war there is an underlying problem that is personal choice to do with blame placing so others feel comfortable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
We cannot get out of this dualistic 3d trap of ours until we personaly cease judgments of any kind.
These mad religions on both sides of the world still perpertrate judgment in and onto other group masses so they are trapped by their own false belifes;until they stop it personally they are not moving on anywhere and like attracts like so they will group up again and again until that lesson is learnt.
Bush might not make the best choices but I still think he's doing a better job than those two jokes could have done.Hell I'm just glad Al Gore or John Kerry wasn't in the White House when 911 took place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Do I detect antisemitism?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Muslims kicked Spain's ass with train bombings and kicked France's with a riot but they a kicked no ass over here and they know it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
And what effect do religious nutjobs have on American policy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle