Caballero kind of classless in his remarks, "Molitor is not a warrior..."
He fought a great fight though, props to him. He'd better improve his defense if he gets a fight with JMM, Vazquez, or Marquez.
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Caballero kind of classless in his remarks, "Molitor is not a warrior..."
He fought a great fight though, props to him. He'd better improve his defense if he gets a fight with JMM, Vazquez, or Marquez.
Well I was just informed I didnt need a link:-\
I dont now much about Molitor, was it a brutal KO or TKO or questionable?
Sorry my Canadian Saddo Brothers.. I know you guys like him alot
The corner threw in the towel. I thought is was maybe a bit early, but the outcome was no longer in doubt at that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Our country hasn't had a true champ in so goddamn long. Oh well, I'm a Canucks fan, I'm used to misery in the sports world.
Jeez I could tell after the 1st round Molitor was going to get stopped. He had absolutely no way of keeping Caballero off of him, and you could see the fustration setting in early. What a beating
Yeah, he's normal very accurate and poised too, he was neither tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
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Originally Posted by CFHThe corner threw in the towel. I thought is was maybe a bit early, but the outcome was no longer in doubt at that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Our country hasn't had a true champ in so goddamn long. Oh well, I'm a Canucks fan, I'm used to misery in the sports world.
Yeah I'm Canadian too so its really disappointing for me as well. Hopefully Steve can bounce back./
I thought it was clean.May have been a case of Huge fight jitters and massive assertion from Caballero combined.He walked him down,the body slowed him.I almost feel mislead...I think Molitor can/will be much better and will learn from this going forward.But tonight was Cab's but he is fugly in style,hard to root for.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
I thought from the beginning that this fight was all wrong for him. There were doubts about his chin ever since the 3K Battery fight, his inside game is lacking (as we saw tonight), and Caballero is a hell of a guy for anyone to fight (though I think Vazquez, JMM, and maybe Marquez beat him).Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHThe corner threw in the towel. I thought is was maybe a bit early, but the outcome was no longer in doubt at that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Our country hasn't had a true champ in so goddamn long. Oh well, I'm a Canucks fan, I'm used to misery in the sports world.
Yeah I'm Canadian too so its really disappointing for me as well. Hopefully Steve can bounce back./
So Caballero won? ;) I'm just in...
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What round did it end?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'NawlinsI thought it was clean.May have been a case of Huge fight jitters and massive assertion from Caballero combined.He walked him down,the body slowed him.I almost feel mislead...I think Molitor can/will be much better and will learn from this going forward.But tonight was Cab's but he is fugly in style,hard to root for.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Round 4Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockWhat round did it end?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'NawlinsI thought it was clean.May have been a case of Huge fight jitters and massive assertion from Caballero combined.He walked him down,the body slowed him.I almost feel mislead...I think Molitor can/will be much better and will learn from this going forward.But tonight was Cab's but he is fugly in style,hard to root for.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Yeah, dominated from start to finish. Good fight by him.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
Fuck, this has got me right bummed out.
Hopefully this wont be to fracturing of a loss for him... Was he all bloody and broken up?
Do you think he could do better in a rematch or should he leave well enough alone?
I think there is a host of guys who can beat Caballero it is just that it was pretty obvious that there was a style problem for Molitor. Charles pretty accurately pointed out that Caballero doesn't lean in or get flatfooted to give up his height and the most dangerous tall fighter you can face is the tall fighter who is on his feet all the time and not punching from to far out or to far in, Caballero didn't and if Molitor wanted to counter on his feet that option was pretty much taken away from him. It looked like Molitor had watched Williams-Quintana I the way he was trying to time Caballero with the left jumping in but the reason Quintana was effective was because he nullified Williams offense first. Got to give angles, move laterally in both directions not just one and most importantly not get stuck on the ropes. Was shocked to see Molitor get stuck on the ropes so much early as usually he has a good sense of where he is at in the ring and I attributed it to nerves and thought it would play out differently over the second half of the fight but obviously that never came.
In the fourth about 2;10.Beat count well from face first KD (think Ruddock falling from Lewis) ? and went to ropes.Cab pressed him hard,landed and Molitor was "falling" along ropes,Corner stepped in.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockWhat round did it end?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'NawlinsI thought it was clean.May have been a case of Huge fight jitters and massive assertion from Caballero combined.He walked him down,the body slowed him.I almost feel mislead...I think Molitor can/will be much better and will learn from this going forward.But tonight was Cab's but he is fugly in style,hard to root for.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by CFHYeah, dominated from start to finish. Good fight by him.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
Now you see why Celestino "THE TOWERING INFERNO" Caballero was avoided by top super bantams... I pick Caballero against any super bantams...
Props to Molitor for taking this fight... I hope he can recover well from this loss...
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I know how you feel man, I had back to back weeks with Roy Jones and Jeff Lacy losing.. Felt like I was kicked in the nuts and bashed in the face with a coal shovel at the same time :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
He was cut and swollen. A rematch would be fruitless. I really think his chin was exposed, Caballero didn't hit him that clean or that often. The his knees buckled from the first clean head-shot he was hit with. I'd wager Caballero landed less than a dozen clean powershots to the head the whole fight. He did some nice body work though.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
I really think a boxer-puncher with a good chin and good power (Vazquez, JMM) would beat him if he doesn't improve his defense, but he looked outstanding tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHYeah, dominated from start to finish. Good fight by him.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
Now you see why Celestino "THE TOWERING INFERNO" Caballero was avoided by top super bantams... I pick Caballero against any super bantams...
Props to Molitor for taking this fight... I hope he can recover well from this loss...
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Ok... So he was badly hurt then, especially if your corner is stepping in, fighting in front of the home crowd.. You could've heard a pin drop in the arena I betQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'NawlinsIn the fourth about 2;10.Beat count well from face first KD (think Ruddock falling from Lewis) ? and went to ropes.Cab pressed him hard,landed and Molitor was "falling" along ropes,Corner stepped in.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockWhat round did it end?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
Every team I cheer for generally sucks, so I should be used to it, but this sucked. It wasn't even a close fight. Molitor usually starts slow, but against Caballero it was suicide.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockI know how you feel man, I had back to back weeks with Roy Jones and Jeff Lacy losing.. Felt like I was kicked in the nuts and bashed in the face with a coal shovel at the same time :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Yeah, Caballero dropped him with what looked like a glancing upper-cut (he also buckled him with one at the end of round 3), but Molitor was clearly hurt. He never would've made it up without the ropes, he almost fell through them getting up.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockOk... So he was badly hurt then, especially if your corner is stepping in, fighting in front of the home crowd.. You could've heard a pin drop in the arena I betQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'NawlinsIn the fourth about 2;10.Beat count well from face first KD (think Ruddock falling from Lewis) ? and went to ropes.Cab pressed him hard,landed and Molitor was "falling" along ropes,Corner stepped in.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Geeze that sucks, cant improve your chin, you either got one or you dont.. Maybe Caballero is that heavy handed. Isint he the biggest puncher in the division?Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHHe was cut and swollen. A rematch would be fruitless. I really think his chin was exposed, Caballero didn't hit him that clean or that often. The his knees buckled from the first clean head-shot he was hit with. I'd wager Caballero landed less than a dozen clean powershots to the head the whole fight. He did some nice body work though.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Yep Caballero vs. Vazquez or Cab vs. JML (not JMM ;) ) will be good fights and I'm still leaning on Cab to defeat either of this two...Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHI really think a boxer-puncher with a good chin and good power (Vazquez, JMM) would beat him if he doesn't improve his defense, but he looked outstanding tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerQuote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Now you see why Celestino "THE TOWERING INFERNO" Caballero was avoided by top super bantams... I pick Caballero against any super bantams...
Props to Molitor for taking this fight... I hope he can recover well from this loss...
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I'd like to see either one of those fight. Caballero just seems to leave his chin so exposed, that would concern me against a puncher like Vazquez or JMLQuote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerYep Caballero vs. Vazquez or Cab vs. JML (not JMM ;) ) will be good fights and I'm still leaning on Cab to defeat either of this two...Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHI really think a boxer-puncher with a good chin and good power (Vazquez, JMM) would beat him if he doesn't improve his defense, but he looked outstanding tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
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He's not that heavy handed, I just think Molitor has a deficient chin unfortunately. PDL went the distance with Cab while absorbing clean shots, we all saw what JML did to him...Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockGeeze that sucks, cant improve your chin, you either got one or you dont.. Maybe Caballero is that heavy handed. Isint he the biggest puncher in the division?Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHHe was cut and swollen. A rematch would be fruitless. I really think his chin was exposed, Caballero didn't hit him that clean or that often. The his knees buckled from the first clean head-shot he was hit with. I'd wager Caballero landed less than a dozen clean powershots to the head the whole fight. He did some nice body work though.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Agreed,I think Vasquez wrecks Caballero.Molitor,with respect, had not been "in the trenches" and Cab would pay much for sloppy D coming in on Vasquez Imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHI really think a boxer-puncher with a good chin and good power (Vazquez, JMM) would beat him if he doesn't improve his defense, but he looked outstanding tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerQuote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Now you see why Celestino "THE TOWERING INFERNO" Caballero was avoided by top super bantams... I pick Caballero against any super bantams...
Props to Molitor for taking this fight... I hope he can recover well from this loss...
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I'm gonna go smoke some weed, that might cheer me up. :(
You must spread reputation around before giving it to CFH again.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
If Vasquez can do anything, its drag you to the deep watersQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'NawlinsAgreed,I think Vasquez wrecks Caballero.Molitor,with respect, had not been "in the trenches" and Cab would pay much for sloppy D coming in on Vasquez Imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHI really think a boxer-puncher with a good chin and good power (Vazquez, JMM) would beat him if he doesn't improve his defense, but he looked outstanding tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
those are the breaks. some nights every punch landed hurts and tonight was one of those nights for molitor. he must have been hurt early in the first round because he didn't fight normal. he usually throws sharp accurate punches and projects calmness. tonight he looked really worried and tight from the outset.
My only doubt is if Izzy or JuanMa or Rafa will accept a fight against Cab (I guess Cab is calling them out loud)...Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHI'd like to see either one of those fight. Caballero just seems to leave his chin so exposed, that would concern me against a puncher like Vazquez or JMLQuote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerYep Caballero vs. Vazquez or Cab vs. JML (not JMM ;) ) will be good fights and I'm still leaning on Cab to defeat either of this two...Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
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Again props to your boy for taking this fight...
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Plus, if it gives me a panic attack like it sometimes does, it'll be a good excuse to pop a tranq. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by amatYou must spread reputation around before giving it to CFH again.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
I haven't felt this shitty since I watched Miranda get destroyed by Pavlik a few days after my mom died.
I'd go against Cab in any of those fights, but none of them are a foregone conclusion. Vazquez and Rafa might have taken a lot out of eachother, and JML is still relatively inexperienced. I'd like to see how Cab's chin holds up to shots from Izzy or JML.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerMy only doubt is if Izzy or JuanMa or Rafa will accept a fight against Cab (I guess Cab is calling them out loud)...Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHI'd like to see either one of those fight. Caballero just seems to leave his chin so exposed, that would concern me against a puncher like Vazquez or JMLQuote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
Again props to your boy for taking this fight...
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As soon as I saw the stats before the fight, I thought about Amir Khan and I could not get Khan out of my head as I watched this fight. I had a feeling that Steve was going to get knocked out. :(
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids...3636845508.jpg
Ohh Ohhh this is brutal and very sadistic...
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The thing that concerns me (as a Molitor fan), is that the punch didn't even seem to land all that cleanly and it still fucked him up.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
As soon as it started, I couldn't get Mijares - Vic out of my head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny_G