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Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON
what board is this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseSince I been here no mod has ever edited any of my posts. I don't think I ever seen anybodies post edited by a mod. Yet all of a sudden a baby mod does it cuz I criticized his favorite fighter. :LOLATYOU: No wonder that board is a grave yardQuote:
Originally Posted by smashup
The UK board. Smashedintheass runs it. 20 posts in a thread is a lot over there. I tried to give it some action. Said something about A Mere Con's chin. And the post got edited. When I called him on it, he deleted it.Quote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTONwhat board is this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseSince I been here no mod has ever edited any of my posts. I don't think I ever seen anybodies post edited by a mod. Yet all of a sudden a baby mod does it cuz I criticized his favorite fighter. :LOLATYOU: No wonder that board is a grave yardQuote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Edited something about Khan? He should have tried to edit his chin out of his last fight.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseThe UK board. Smashedintheass runs it. 20 posts in a thread is a lot over there. I tried to give it some action. Said something about A Mere Con's chin. And the post got edited. When I called him on it, he deleted it.Quote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTONwhat board is this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
That would be impossible POB because Amir Khan has no chin ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTONEdited something about Khan? He should have tried to edit his chin out of his last fight.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseThe UK board. Smashedintheass runs it. 20 posts in a thread is a lot over there. I tried to give it some action. Said something about A Mere Con's chin. And the post got edited. When I called him on it, he deleted it.Quote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON
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Originally Posted by ICBThat would be impossible POB because Amir Khan has no chin ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTONEdited something about Khan? He should have tried to edit his chin out of his last fight.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
I stand corrected:cool:
Yeah right. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Deanrw#1 Pavlik is not my hero, but he is a fighter I respect. He takes on all comers. There should be many more like him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Deanrw
I guess you guys are excited by your new hero.. like a kid with a new toy. ;D
I predict in two years time Pavlik will be the new Lacy. ;D
#2 Joe has shown indications of preferring the safe route. On top of that he feeds complete and utter bullshit to the press in the hopes to promote his current fight he has lined up. Contradicts himself left and right in his quest to go out in, this is his own words mind you, a "Blaze Of Glory". The guy is a fruitcake plain and simple. I cannot believe I used to respect that turd.
Pavlik may very well lose soon, maybe even against Hopkins, but at least he is approaching his craft with old fashioned honor and dignity and willing to test himself.
Pavliks last two fights have been against a guy he previously blasted out in 7 rounds and a guy not even good enough to win a British title, who took the place of the fearsome and deadly John Duddy!!!
Now he is facing a Calzaghe victim in ancient old Bernard Hopkins - at 170. Avoiding Arthur Abraham and conveniently IGNORING the supermiddleweights - Kessler and Bute. All the while chasing another OLDMAN in no-hands Calzaghe.
Stop kidding yourself with the Kelly Pavlik throwback spiel. Pavlik wants the oldboys for the MONEY!!! He is no different to any other modern fighter with the potential to EARN. If guided CAREFULLY enough he might last a while. Fact.
Glad the thread is doing great maybe someone close to either man will see how hotly debated this issue is and make the F`ing fight!
One thing is for sure, the debates would be legendery!
I think Joe will fight him in fact i'd bet a lot of money on it;)
Pavliks men will try every trick in the book to bait him after he spanks Jones and i think he'll bite,then school Pavlik and retire even more of a legend;D
There's always a first time;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseSince I been here no mod has ever edited any of my posts. I don't think I ever seen anybodies post edited by a mod. Yet all of a sudden a baby mod does it cuz I criticized his favorite fighter. :LOLATYOU: No wonder that board is a grave yardQuote:
Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
I never edited your post to suit my own needs, just edited something you posted which was bad taste...
Don't worry I'd NEVER stop the masses seeing what a proper prick you are;D
I've edited posts - mostly for comic effect if someone is being a self important tool. Much more fun than getting in to a fight. :cool:
;D
He needs to lay off the white stuff..makes you paranoid too much of that sh*T..
For the record and as i stated before all i did was simply remove a reference to Paul Ingle being Khans next opponent
I'll leave it at that Denise;)
Anyway Missy have you read your comments today;D
My laptop is tilted hahahahaha:lickish:
And do you love Calzaghe too?
Exactly. Calzaghe gets a lot of shit for his career, but in the last two years he fought three fighters who (at the time) were the number 1 choice of his critics to face. 1) He HAD to fight Lacy, and he did, 2) summer of 2007 Calzaghe was chasing Taylor, and ALL the boxing boards had poll's, and guess what they were all for Kessler as most fans were disinterested in Taylor after his performances against smaller men. 3) Hopkins was next on the list.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterYeah right. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Deanrw#1 Pavlik is not my hero, but he is a fighter I respect. He takes on all comers. There should be many more like him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
#2 Joe has shown indications of preferring the safe route. On top of that he feeds complete and utter bullshit to the press in the hopes to promote his current fight he has lined up. Contradicts himself left and right in his quest to go out in, this is his own words mind you, a "Blaze Of Glory". The guy is a fruitcake plain and simple. I cannot believe I used to respect that turd.
Pavlik may very well lose soon, maybe even against Hopkins, but at least he is approaching his craft with old fashioned honor and dignity and willing to test himself.
Pavliks last two fights have been against a guy he previously blasted out in 7 rounds and a guy not even good enough to win a British title, who took the place of the fearsome and deadly John Duddy!!!
Now he is facing a Calzaghe victim in ancient old Bernard Hopkins - at 170. Avoiding Arthur Abraham and conveniently IGNORING the supermiddleweights - Kessler and Bute. All the while chasing another OLDMAN in no-hands Calzaghe.
Stop kidding yourself with the Kelly Pavlik throwback spiel. Pavlik wants the oldboys for the MONEY!!! He is no different to any other modern fighter with the potential to EARN. If guided CAREFULLY enough he might last a while. Fact.
Pavlik is a good exciting young fighter with a bright future ahead of him, yet he's talked up by some as past JC in achievement already????????????
Joe was ciriticised in summer of 2007 for chasing Taylor rather than Kessler, yet Taylor is Pavlik's ONLY win world level. We're endlessly told how Pavlik has incredible power, yet he had to land a hundred flush power shots to get Miranda out of their, something Abraham did with less than a dozen.
Calzaghe fans are told endlessly thread after thread that Pavlik would KHTFO, yet when Smash says something in the same vain in return he is set upon like fleas on shit (and apparaently it's us Brits who overrate our fighters).
you're spot on Fenster about Pavlik's opposition, if he wanted to make a statement he'd chase a strong supermiddle rather than a 43 yr old with stamina issues. I'm sure someone will call me a hypocrite since Joe chose the same opponent last time out, yet Hopkins hadn't shown the same stamina issues prior, and Joe is old himself.
Well said bomp...
They really don't wanna f*ck with the Smash
Remember that shit "goes off" big time while annoying little flies/fleas always get swatted;)
Why would he go to a division were Calzaghe beat ever one conviningly he is facing a man who in alot of eyes beat Calzaghe and made he look bad. I never seen so many missed shots in my life. I can not believe some of the punches they counted for Calzaghe which were not what i call punches. Some one here says Pavlik only beat Taylor well buddy considering that Taylor beat Hopkins in his best division and was younger Hopkins i say Pavlik win is pretty impressive over Taylor. I mean what is Calzaghe best win over a 43 year old Hopkins.Then maybe he might win over a 40 year old Roy Jones jr who has not won a fight with a top LHW in a long time so to me Calzaghe in his long career has not done best he could of. He while be forgot in i say 10 years by the world i say but hey wales while remeber him and i guess parts of the Uk while as well so eh. The only guy i have really been a fan of to come out of UK was Lennox Lewis so that were i stand i guess he only guy to come form Uk who was not a disspointment.
You guys are wrong: Calzaghe's best win is by far the Kessler fight. Beating Hopkins and potentially Jones is not comparable imo.
Kessler is a great fighter in his prime or near it, strong jab, technically sound, and a great resume leading up to the fight.
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Originally Posted by boozeboxer
Agreed and the way he adapted and changed tactics mid fight was different gear;)
I think with his slappy style he just leaves his opponent more stunned than hurt and totally breaks them with relentless pressure.
I'll defend Pavlik's last two fights. Lockett, I'll give you, that was just a fight to keep Pavlik in the ring and in shape. Taylor the second time was an unavoidable fight. They previously both knocked each other down, the linear title switch hands, and went through arguably the fight of the year, a rematch was a no-brainer. With all those factors, like I said, the rematch was unavoidable not "a guy he previously blasted out in 7 rounds."Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterYeah right. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Deanrw#1 Pavlik is not my hero, but he is a fighter I respect. He takes on all comers. There should be many more like him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
#2 Joe has shown indications of preferring the safe route. On top of that he feeds complete and utter bullshit to the press in the hopes to promote his current fight he has lined up. Contradicts himself left and right in his quest to go out in, this is his own words mind you, a "Blaze Of Glory". The guy is a fruitcake plain and simple. I cannot believe I used to respect that turd.
Pavlik may very well lose soon, maybe even against Hopkins, but at least he is approaching his craft with old fashioned honor and dignity and willing to test himself.
Pavliks last two fights have been against a guy he previously blasted out in 7 rounds and a guy not even good enough to win a British title, who took the place of the fearsome and deadly John Duddy!!!
Now he is facing a Calzaghe victim in ancient old Bernard Hopkins - at 170. Avoiding Arthur Abraham and conveniently IGNORING the supermiddleweights - Kessler and Bute. All the while chasing another OLDMAN in no-hands Calzaghe.
Stop kidding yourself with the Kelly Pavlik throwback spiel. Pavlik wants the oldboys for the MONEY!!! He is no different to any other modern fighter with the potential to EARN. If guided CAREFULLY enough he might last a while. Fact.
About facing Bernard Hopkins: First off, Pavlik never wanted this fight, his promotion company set this up and Kelly just went along with it. When it's all said and done, he just takes the fights that are given to him. NO ONE WANTS to fight Hopkins because he makes people look ugly. Abraham, Kessler, etc will still be there in a year so he's not ducking anyone. Hopkins and Calzaghe aren't going to be around for as long so why not fight them now while they're still here. Pavlik wants Calzaghe, and being impressive against Hopkins will make that fight closer to happening. PLUS! He makes way more money fighting Hopkins or Calzaghe than fighting Abraham and Kessler. Even though he initially didn't want the fight against Hopkins, looking at it this way makes sense in order to get Calzaghe in the ring.
If Kelly isn't a throwback fighter than I don't know who is. Like I said earlier, he doesn't choose his opponents, his promoter does and he just trains and fights. Look at De La Hoya, Mayweather, Pacquiao and other boxers of that stature. Those guys have a say in who they fight but Kelly doesn't deal with it that way. He's a fighter and nothing more...
Zertuche, Miranda, Taylor, Taylor, Lockett, Hopkins in two years is not "protected" if you ask me...
Well Cal i got to say that is a great post could not of said it better.
The guy he had blasted out in 7 rounds, had a rematch clause. The guy not even good enough to win a British title, was actually a mandatory from the Warren Boxing Organization. You know them, the same ones that spoon fed Joe the Tucker Pudwell's during his distinguished reign to keep that reign intact? They were trying to create a new Calzaghe to keep that great tradition alive.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterYeah right. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Deanrw#1 Pavlik is not my hero, but he is a fighter I respect. He takes on all comers. There should be many more like him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
#2 Joe has shown indications of preferring the safe route. On top of that he feeds complete and utter bullshit to the press in the hopes to promote his current fight he has lined up. Contradicts himself left and right in his quest to go out in, this is his own words mind you, a "Blaze Of Glory". The guy is a fruitcake plain and simple. I cannot believe I used to respect that turd.
Pavlik may very well lose soon, maybe even against Hopkins, but at least he is approaching his craft with old fashioned honor and dignity and willing to test himself.
Pavliks last two fights have been against a guy he previously blasted out in 7 rounds and a guy not even good enough to win a British title, who took the place of the fearsome and deadly John Duddy!!!
Now he is facing a Calzaghe victim in ancient old Bernard Hopkins - at 170. Avoiding Arthur Abraham and conveniently IGNORING the supermiddleweights - Kessler and Bute. All the while chasing another OLDMAN in no-hands Calzaghe.
Stop kidding yourself with the Kelly Pavlik throwback spiel. Pavlik wants the oldboys for the MONEY!!! He is no different to any other modern fighter with the potential to EARN. If guided CAREFULLY enough he might last a while. Fact.
You call Hopkins a Calzaghe victom?:D The only victom's were the fans watching it. So pavlik wants to earn some money while going after the two self proclaimed kingpins around his weight class and use them as stepping stones. Yes that is considered taking on all comers. And don't even bother mentioning Abraham, he has his mandatory to get through first and will probably over price himself big time anyway.
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Originally Posted by caleoh12I'll defend Pavlik's last two fights. Lockett, I'll give you, that was just a fight to keep Pavlik in the ring and in shape. Taylor the second time was an unavoidable fight. They previously both knocked each other down, the linear title switch hands, and went through arguably the fight of the year, a rematch was a no-brainer. With all those factors, like I said, the rematch was unavoidable not "a guy he previously blasted out in 7 rounds."Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterYeah right. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Deanrw
Pavliks last two fights have been against a guy he previously blasted out in 7 rounds and a guy not even good enough to win a British title, who took the place of the fearsome and deadly John Duddy!!!
Now he is facing a Calzaghe victim in ancient old Bernard Hopkins - at 170. Avoiding Arthur Abraham and conveniently IGNORING the supermiddleweights - Kessler and Bute. All the while chasing another OLDMAN in no-hands Calzaghe.
Stop kidding yourself with the Kelly Pavlik throwback spiel. Pavlik wants the oldboys for the MONEY!!! He is no different to any other modern fighter with the potential to EARN. If guided CAREFULLY enough he might last a while. Fact.
About facing Bernard Hopkins: First off, Pavlik never wanted this fight, his promotion company set this up and Kelly just went along with it. When it's all said and done, he just takes the fights that are given to him. NO ONE WANTS to fight Hopkins because he makes people look ugly. Abraham, Kessler, etc will still be there in a year so he's not ducking anyone. Hopkins and Calzaghe aren't going to be around for as long so why not fight them now while they're still here. Pavlik wants Calzaghe, and being impressive against Hopkins will make that fight closer to happening. PLUS! He makes way more money fighting Hopkins or Calzaghe than fighting Abraham and Kessler. Even though he initially didn't want the fight against Hopkins, looking at it this way makes sense in order to get Calzaghe in the ring.
If Kelly isn't a throwback fighter than I don't know who is. Like I said earlier, he doesn't choose his opponents, his promoter does and he just trains and fights. Look at De La Hoya, Mayweather, Pacquiao and other boxers of that stature. Those guys have a say in who they fight but Kelly doesn't deal with it that way. He's a fighter and nothing more...
Zertuche, Miranda, Taylor, Taylor, Lockett, Hopkins in two years is not "protected" if you ask me...
It's a fact Pavlik ko'd Taylor in 7 rounds. The reason for the second fight was Taylor invoked his 160+lbs rematch clause. Otherwise Pavlik would have been fighting Duddy.
So.. Pavlik didn't WANT to fight Hopkins, and has NO say in who he fights (have you got a link so i can read this)? Who did Pavlik WANT to fight?
And if that's the case.. it says EVERYTHING about the confidence his promotional team have in him. Since beating Taylor he has been linked with - Duddy, Lockett, Griffin, welterweight Williams, ancient Trinidad etc.. as I said previously, if he is CAREFULLY managed he may stay at the top for a while.
Abraham, Kessler and Bute are all, like Pavlik, young hungry guys in their PRIME. They are arguably far more dangerous opponents than 43 year-old no-legs Hopkins. And maybe even more dangerous than 37 year-old no-hands Calzaghe. BUT they don't offer the same MONEY rewards for the risk involved.
Fighters fight for MONEY! Pavlik is no different. ;)
Oh that I agree with 100%. That is the main priority for all of them. It is just some of them also desire to be the top dog also. Pavlik probably did not want to fight Hopkins because Hopkins makes some lousy fights and was coming off a loss, but still took what was offered and he said himself Hopkins was the only guy available. Don't even mention Bute. His team has made a career of avoiding any live fighter as of late and is only fighting Andrade because they are now forced to.Quote:
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Originally Posted by caleoh12I'll defend Pavlik's last two fights. Lockett, I'll give you, that was just a fight to keep Pavlik in the ring and in shape. Taylor the second time was an unavoidable fight. They previously both knocked each other down, the linear title switch hands, and went through arguably the fight of the year, a rematch was a no-brainer. With all those factors, like I said, the rematch was unavoidable not "a guy he previously blasted out in 7 rounds."Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
About facing Bernard Hopkins: First off, Pavlik never wanted this fight, his promotion company set this up and Kelly just went along with it. When it's all said and done, he just takes the fights that are given to him. NO ONE WANTS to fight Hopkins because he makes people look ugly. Abraham, Kessler, etc will still be there in a year so he's not ducking anyone. Hopkins and Calzaghe aren't going to be around for as long so why not fight them now while they're still here. Pavlik wants Calzaghe, and being impressive against Hopkins will make that fight closer to happening. PLUS! He makes way more money fighting Hopkins or Calzaghe than fighting Abraham and Kessler. Even though he initially didn't want the fight against Hopkins, looking at it this way makes sense in order to get Calzaghe in the ring.
If Kelly isn't a throwback fighter than I don't know who is. Like I said earlier, he doesn't choose his opponents, his promoter does and he just trains and fights. Look at De La Hoya, Mayweather, Pacquiao and other boxers of that stature. Those guys have a say in who they fight but Kelly doesn't deal with it that way. He's a fighter and nothing more...
Zertuche, Miranda, Taylor, Taylor, Lockett, Hopkins in two years is not "protected" if you ask me...
It's a fact Pavlik ko'd Taylor in 7 rounds. The reason for the second fight was Taylor invoked his 160+lbs rematch clause. Otherwise Pavlik would have been fighting Duddy.
So.. Pavlik didn't WANT to fight Hopkins, and has NO say in who he fights (have you got a link so i can read this)? Who did Pavlik WANT to fight?
And if that's the case.. it says EVERYTHING about the confidence his promotional team have in him. Since beating Taylor he has been linked with - Duddy, Lockett, Griffin, welterweight Williams, ancient Trinidad etc.. as I said previously, if he is CAREFULLY managed he may stay at the top for a while.
Abraham, Kessler and Bute are all, like Pavlik, young hungry guys in their PRIME. They are arguably far more dangerous opponents than 43 year-old no-legs Hopkins. And maybe even more dangerous than 37 year-old no-hands Calzaghe. BUT they don't offer the same MONEY rewards for the risk involved.
Fighters fight for MONEY! Pavlik is no different. ;)
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Originally Posted by caleoh12I'll defend Pavlik's last two fights. Lockett, I'll give you, that was just a fight to keep Pavlik in the ring and in shape. Taylor the second time was an unavoidable fight. They previously both knocked each other down, the linear title switch hands, and went through arguably the fight of the year, a rematch was a no-brainer. With all those factors, like I said, the rematch was unavoidable not "a guy he previously blasted out in 7 rounds."Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterYeah right. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Deanrw
Pavliks last two fights have been against a guy he previously blasted out in 7 rounds and a guy not even good enough to win a British title, who took the place of the fearsome and deadly John Duddy!!!
Now he is facing a Calzaghe victim in ancient old Bernard Hopkins - at 170. Avoiding Arthur Abraham and conveniently IGNORING the supermiddleweights - Kessler and Bute. All the while chasing another OLDMAN in no-hands Calzaghe.
Stop kidding yourself with the Kelly Pavlik throwback spiel. Pavlik wants the oldboys for the MONEY!!! He is no different to any other modern fighter with the potential to EARN. If guided CAREFULLY enough he might last a while. Fact.
About facing Bernard Hopkins: First off, Pavlik never wanted this fight, his promotion company set this up and Kelly just went along with it. When it's all said and done, he just takes the fights that are given to him. NO ONE WANTS to fight Hopkins because he makes people look ugly. Abraham, Kessler, etc will still be there in a year so he's not ducking anyone. Hopkins and Calzaghe aren't going to be around for as long so why not fight them now while they're still here. Pavlik wants Calzaghe, and being impressive against Hopkins will make that fight closer to happening. PLUS! He makes way more money fighting Hopkins or Calzaghe than fighting Abraham and Kessler. Even though he initially didn't want the fight against Hopkins, looking at it this way makes sense in order to get Calzaghe in the ring.
If Kelly isn't a throwback fighter than I don't know who is. Like I said earlier, he doesn't choose his opponents, his promoter does and he just trains and fights. Look at De La Hoya, Mayweather, Pacquiao and other boxers of that stature. Those guys have a say in who they fight but Kelly doesn't deal with it that way. He's a fighter and nothing more...
Zertuche, Miranda, Taylor, Taylor, Lockett, Hopkins in two years is not "protected" if you ask me...
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When Calzaghe faces some duff opposition, but also includes the three fighters all his critics wanted him to face he is called a ducker/diver/pussy, yet when Pavlik fights 'whoever
his promoter puts in front of him' he's called a take on anyone anywhere throwback wtf??????????????
You use your ignorance of european fighters to convenientl;y back up your arguments. Lockett is a god awful opponent for a world champion to face, he's lower than the duffs Calzaghe faced (Pudwill, Ashira) the BIG difference is that those guys were late replacements for higher caliber fighters while Lockett was a choice made 2 months prior to the fight, while the other guys on the shortlist were also below top level in Duddy and Rubio.
I have NO problem with Pavlik. He is what he is, an outstanding athlete (+very exciting fighter-good for the sport) who has plenty of time to secure a legacy if he turns out to be good enough. But if you think he's already there with the likes of Calzaghe/Hopkins in terms of legacy then I'd like to know what you're smoking cos it must be good. He's had victories over 1 world class opponent, the same opponent JC was criticised for courting cos he was 'ducking' Kessler. The same opponent who openly refused to fight the 'legend' that is Carl Froch.
you have to prove yourself against all styles to be a true great. He may yet do this.
Mr140: I'm sure you will forget about JC in ten years time, that's what unkowledgable people do, stick their heads between their legs, and lick their own anus until all the bad thoughts that disprove their theories leave their heads.
The Old guard in full effect....
Bomp n Fenster;)
OK. Pavlik fights his silly gimme mismatch mandatory. Then fights a 43 year-old coming off a loss in a meaningless catchweight contest. Of course he'd much rather face a serious challenger but his promotional team wont let him... But you accuse Calzaghe of taking the safe route? Come on, behave. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by DeanrwOh that I agree with 100%. That is the main priority for all of them. It is just some of them also desire to be the top dog also. Pavlik probably did not want to fight Hopkins because Hopkins makes some lousy fights and was coming off a loss, but still took what was offered and he said himself Hopkins was the only guy available. Don't even mention Bute. His team has made a career of avoiding any live fighter and is only fighting Andrade because they are now forced to.Quote:
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Originally Posted by caleoh12
It's a fact Pavlik ko'd Taylor in 7 rounds. The reason for the second fight was Taylor invoked his 160+lbs rematch clause. Otherwise Pavlik would have been fighting Duddy.
So.. Pavlik didn't WANT to fight Hopkins, and has NO say in who he fights (have you got a link so i can read this)? Who did Pavlik WANT to fight?
And if that's the case.. it says EVERYTHING about the confidence his promotional team have in him. Since beating Taylor he has been linked with - Duddy, Lockett, Griffin, welterweight Williams, ancient Trinidad etc.. as I said previously, if he is CAREFULLY managed he may stay at the top for a while.
Abraham, Kessler and Bute are all, like Pavlik, young hungry guys in their PRIME. They are arguably far more dangerous opponents than 43 year-old no-legs Hopkins. And maybe even more dangerous than 37 year-old no-hands Calzaghe. BUT they don't offer the same MONEY rewards for the risk involved.
Fighters fight for MONEY! Pavlik is no different. ;)
Joe has some good wins, he has some bad ones. Same as Pavlik. My main issue with Joe is he seems to be determined at every opportunity to try to discredit Pavlik as a possible opponent, when pure common sense dictates that he is THE opponent everyone wants for Joe.Quote:
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Originally Posted by caleoh12I'll defend Pavlik's last two fights. Lockett, I'll give you, that was just a fight to keep Pavlik in the ring and in shape. Taylor the second time was an unavoidable fight. They previously both knocked each other down, the linear title switch hands, and went through arguably the fight of the year, a rematch was a no-brainer. With all those factors, like I said, the rematch was unavoidable not "a guy he previously blasted out in 7 rounds."Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
About facing Bernard Hopkins: First off, Pavlik never wanted this fight, his promotion company set this up and Kelly just went along with it. When it's all said and done, he just takes the fights that are given to him. NO ONE WANTS to fight Hopkins because he makes people look ugly. Abraham, Kessler, etc will still be there in a year so he's not ducking anyone. Hopkins and Calzaghe aren't going to be around for as long so why not fight them now while they're still here. Pavlik wants Calzaghe, and being impressive against Hopkins will make that fight closer to happening. PLUS! He makes way more money fighting Hopkins or Calzaghe than fighting Abraham and Kessler. Even though he initially didn't want the fight against Hopkins, looking at it this way makes sense in order to get Calzaghe in the ring.
If Kelly isn't a throwback fighter than I don't know who is. Like I said earlier, he doesn't choose his opponents, his promoter does and he just trains and fights. Look at De La Hoya, Mayweather, Pacquiao and other boxers of that stature. Those guys have a say in who they fight but Kelly doesn't deal with it that way. He's a fighter and nothing more...
Zertuche, Miranda, Taylor, Taylor, Lockett, Hopkins in two years is not "protected" if you ask me...
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When Calzaghe faces some duff opposition, but also includes the three fighters all his critics wanted him to face he is called a ducker/diver/pussy, yet when Pavlik fights 'whoever
his promoter puts in front of him' he's called a take on anyone anywhere throwback wtf??????????????
You use your ignorance of european fighters to convenientl;y back up your arguments. Lockett is a god awful opponent for a world champion to face, he's lower than the duffs Calzaghe faced (Pudwill, Ashira) the BIG difference is that those guys were late replacements for higher caliber fighters while Lockett was a choice made 2 months prior to the fight, while the other guys on the shortlist were also below top level in Duddy and Rubio.
I have NO problem with Pavlik. He is what he is, an outstanding athlete (+very exciting fighter-good for the sport) who has plenty of time to secure a legacy if he turns out to be good enough. But if you think he's already there with the likes of Calzaghe/Hopkins in terms of legacy then I'd like to know what you're smoking cos it must be good. He's had victories over 1 world class opponent, the same opponent JC was criticised for courting cos he was 'ducking' Kessler. The same opponent who openly refused to fight the 'legend' that is Carl Froch.
you have to prove yourself against all styles to be a true great. He may yet do this.
Mr140: I'm sure you will forget about JC in ten years time, that's what unkowledgable people do, stick their heads between their legs, and lick their own anus until all the bad thoughts that disprove their theories leave their heads.
Lockett was a mandatory and Pavlik was coming off two tough fights and needed an easy win. I will give him the coaster fight, but only one. If he does more, he gets on my shitlist also.
I respect guys like Froch, Abraham etc, as they want to get in there. Froch has a big mouth yes, but he is also willing to try backing it up. That is cool in my book.
All I want to see is the best available fight each other. That is it, nothing more and nothing less. I could really care less of who wins or loses, but to me, they just need to happen.
What do you not understand about the term "Nobody else was available"? Hell Arum tried to make a fight with a shitload of guys, he had at least 6 or 8 of them on the go, but they all over priced themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterOK. Pavlik fights his silly gimme mismatch mandatory. Then fights a 43 year-old coming off a loss in a meaningless catchweight contest. Of course he'd much rather face a serious challenger but his promotional team wont let him... But you accuse Calzaghe of taking the safe route? Come on, behave. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by DeanrwOh that I agree with 100%. That is the main priority for all of them. It is just some of them also desire to be the top dog also. Pavlik probably did not want to fight Hopkins because Hopkins makes some lousy fights and was coming off a loss, but still took what was offered and he said himself Hopkins was the only guy available. Don't even mention Bute. His team has made a career of avoiding any live fighter and is only fighting Andrade because they are now forced to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Kessler was not available, Abraham was not available, Joe was not available. The only one that could have been available was Joe as the Jones fight is an option fight. Kessler and Abraham both have mandatory fights to get through.
After Pavlik and Taylor's first fight, the public definitely wanted to see them fight a second time, regardless of a rematch clause.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterQuote:
Originally Posted by caleoh12I'll defend Pavlik's last two fights. Lockett, I'll give you, that was just a fight to keep Pavlik in the ring and in shape. Taylor the second time was an unavoidable fight. They previously both knocked each other down, the linear title switch hands, and went through arguably the fight of the year, a rematch was a no-brainer. With all those factors, like I said, the rematch was unavoidable not "a guy he previously blasted out in 7 rounds."Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
About facing Bernard Hopkins: First off, Pavlik never wanted this fight, his promotion company set this up and Kelly just went along with it. When it's all said and done, he just takes the fights that are given to him. NO ONE WANTS to fight Hopkins because he makes people look ugly. Abraham, Kessler, etc will still be there in a year so he's not ducking anyone. Hopkins and Calzaghe aren't going to be around for as long so why not fight them now while they're still here. Pavlik wants Calzaghe, and being impressive against Hopkins will make that fight closer to happening. PLUS! He makes way more money fighting Hopkins or Calzaghe than fighting Abraham and Kessler. Even though he initially didn't want the fight against Hopkins, looking at it this way makes sense in order to get Calzaghe in the ring.
If Kelly isn't a throwback fighter than I don't know who is. Like I said earlier, he doesn't choose his opponents, his promoter does and he just trains and fights. Look at De La Hoya, Mayweather, Pacquiao and other boxers of that stature. Those guys have a say in who they fight but Kelly doesn't deal with it that way. He's a fighter and nothing more...
Zertuche, Miranda, Taylor, Taylor, Lockett, Hopkins in two years is not "protected" if you ask me...
It's a fact Pavlik ko'd Taylor in 7 rounds. The reason for the second fight was Taylor invoked his 160+lbs rematch clause. Otherwise Pavlik would have been fighting Duddy.
So.. Pavlik didn't WANT to fight Hopkins, and has NO say in who he fights (have you got a link so i can read this)? Who did Pavlik WANT to fight?
And if that's the case.. it says EVERYTHING about the confidence his promotional team have in him. Since beating Taylor he has been linked with - Duddy, Lockett, Griffin, welterweight Williams, ancient Trinidad etc.. as I said previously, if he is CAREFULLY managed he may stay at the top for a while.
Abraham, Kessler and Bute are all, like Pavlik, young hungry guys in their PRIME. They are arguably far more dangerous opponents than 43 year-old no-legs Hopkins. And maybe even more dangerous than 37 year-old no-hands Calzaghe. BUT they don't offer the same MONEY rewards for the risk involved.
Fighters fight for MONEY! Pavlik is no different. ;)
In regards to a link. I read it on ESPN and it's no longer available to be viewed. (Trust me, I checked) It was back when the fight was first announced and Pavlik says something along the lines of "Hopkins isn't exactly the fight I want, but if they say you're fighting him, you gotta fight him." Pavlik didn't directly state who he wanted but it was obvious he didn't want Hopkins.
If Kessler and Abraham eventually become bigger in the US there's no doubt Pavlik would be fighting them. But as of right now, Hopkins and Calzaghe are the names which is why he is matched up with those two.
The difference between Calzaghe and Pavlik's opposition is somewhat debatable. Some say Joe has a better resume and some say Pavlik does. At the end of the day you have to realize that Joe is at the end of his career and his opposition is still being criticized. Pavlik can have his opposition criticized but he's just starting and has a whole career ahead of him.Quote:
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Originally Posted by caleoh12I'll defend Pavlik's last two fights. Lockett, I'll give you, that was just a fight to keep Pavlik in the ring and in shape. Taylor the second time was an unavoidable fight. They previously both knocked each other down, the linear title switch hands, and went through arguably the fight of the year, a rematch was a no-brainer. With all those factors, like I said, the rematch was unavoidable not "a guy he previously blasted out in 7 rounds."Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
About facing Bernard Hopkins: First off, Pavlik never wanted this fight, his promotion company set this up and Kelly just went along with it. When it's all said and done, he just takes the fights that are given to him. NO ONE WANTS to fight Hopkins because he makes people look ugly. Abraham, Kessler, etc will still be there in a year so he's not ducking anyone. Hopkins and Calzaghe aren't going to be around for as long so why not fight them now while they're still here. Pavlik wants Calzaghe, and being impressive against Hopkins will make that fight closer to happening. PLUS! He makes way more money fighting Hopkins or Calzaghe than fighting Abraham and Kessler. Even though he initially didn't want the fight against Hopkins, looking at it this way makes sense in order to get Calzaghe in the ring.
If Kelly isn't a throwback fighter than I don't know who is. Like I said earlier, he doesn't choose his opponents, his promoter does and he just trains and fights. Look at De La Hoya, Mayweather, Pacquiao and other boxers of that stature. Those guys have a say in who they fight but Kelly doesn't deal with it that way. He's a fighter and nothing more...
Zertuche, Miranda, Taylor, Taylor, Lockett, Hopkins in two years is not "protected" if you ask me...
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When Calzaghe faces some duff opposition, but also includes the three fighters all his critics wanted him to face he is called a ducker/diver/pussy, yet when Pavlik fights 'whoever
his promoter puts in front of him' he's called a take on anyone anywhere throwback wtf??????????????
You use your ignorance of european fighters to convenientl;y back up your arguments. Lockett is a god awful opponent for a world champion to face, he's lower than the duffs Calzaghe faced (Pudwill, Ashira) the BIG difference is that those guys were late replacements for higher caliber fighters while Lockett was a choice made 2 months prior to the fight, while the other guys on the shortlist were also below top level in Duddy and Rubio.
I have NO problem with Pavlik. He is what he is, an outstanding athlete (+very exciting fighter-good for the sport) who has plenty of time to secure a legacy if he turns out to be good enough. But if you think he's already there with the likes of Calzaghe/Hopkins in terms of legacy then I'd like to know what you're smoking cos it must be good. He's had victories over 1 world class opponent, the same opponent JC was criticised for courting cos he was 'ducking' Kessler. The same opponent who openly refused to fight the 'legend' that is Carl Froch.
you have to prove yourself against all styles to be a true great. He may yet do this.
Mr140: I'm sure you will forget about JC in ten years time, that's what unkowledgable people do, stick their heads between their legs, and lick their own anus until all the bad thoughts that disprove their theories leave their heads.
Unbelievable!!! ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by DeanrwWhat do you not understand about the term "Nobody else was available"? Hell Arum tried to make a fight with a shitload of guys, he had at least 6 or 8 of them on the go, but they all over priced themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterOK. Pavlik fights his silly gimme mismatch mandatory. Then fights a 43 year-old coming off a loss in a meaningless catchweight contest. Of course he'd much rather face a serious challenger but his promotional team wont let him... But you accuse Calzaghe of taking the safe route? Come on, behave. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Deanrw
Kessler was not available, Abraham was not available, Joe was not available. The only one that could have been available was Joe as the Jones fight is an option fight. Kessler and Abraham both have mandatory fights to get through.
So fighters are unavailable and pricing themselves out against Pavlik.. YET these things NEVER could have possibly happend in Calzaghe's career, right?
He prefers the easy route?
Come on, man. ;)
Even though i like Kelly Pavlik i was disappointed he didn't clean up Middleweight division, fighting Arthur Abraham.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterUnbelievable!!! ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by DeanrwWhat do you not understand about the term "Nobody else was available"? Hell Arum tried to make a fight with a shitload of guys, he had at least 6 or 8 of them on the go, but they all over priced themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Kessler was not available, Abraham was not available, Joe was not available. The only one that could have been available was Joe as the Jones fight is an option fight. Kessler and Abraham both have mandatory fights to get through.
So fighters are unavailable and pricing themselves out against Pavlik.. YET these things NEVER could have possibly happend in Calzaghe's career, right?
He prefers the easy route?
Come on, man. ;)
So you took that as Pavlik having no control over his career path?Quote:
Originally Posted by caleoh12After Pavlik and Taylor's first fight, the public definitely wanted to see them fight a second time, regardless of a rematch clause.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterQuote:
Originally Posted by caleoh12
It's a fact Pavlik ko'd Taylor in 7 rounds. The reason for the second fight was Taylor invoked his 160+lbs rematch clause. Otherwise Pavlik would have been fighting Duddy.
So.. Pavlik didn't WANT to fight Hopkins, and has NO say in who he fights (have you got a link so i can read this)? Who did Pavlik WANT to fight?
And if that's the case.. it says EVERYTHING about the confidence his promotional team have in him. Since beating Taylor he has been linked with - Duddy, Lockett, Griffin, welterweight Williams, ancient Trinidad etc.. as I said previously, if he is CAREFULLY managed he may stay at the top for a while.
Abraham, Kessler and Bute are all, like Pavlik, young hungry guys in their PRIME. They are arguably far more dangerous opponents than 43 year-old no-legs Hopkins. And maybe even more dangerous than 37 year-old no-hands Calzaghe. BUT they don't offer the same MONEY rewards for the risk involved.
Fighters fight for MONEY! Pavlik is no different. ;)
In regards to a link. I read it on ESPN and it's no longer available to be viewed. (Trust me, I checked) It was back when the fight was first announced and Pavlik says something along the lines of "Hopkins isn't exactly the fight I want, but if they say you're fighting him, you gotta fight him." Pavlik didn't directly state who he wanted but it was obvious he didn't want Hopkins.
If Kessler and Abraham eventually become bigger in the US there's no doubt Pavlik would be fighting them. But as of right now, Hopkins and Calzaghe are the names which is why he is matched up with those two.
I heard Pavlik say he's NOT interested in fighting outside the States (it was after a fight, probably Lockett) that rules out going to Denmark for Kessler, Germany for Abraham, Britain for Calzaghe.. if he REALLY WANTED only the best challenges how come he's not willing to travel?
Well he certainly seems to now. I know I would rather fight Jones over Pavlik in a safety sense. Before you say money, well Pavlik would have garnered him at least as much as Jones would have. Joe is knocking Pavlik now because even the media are questioning his decision in fighting Jones over Pavlik.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterUnbelievable!!! ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by DeanrwWhat do you not understand about the term "Nobody else was available"? Hell Arum tried to make a fight with a shitload of guys, he had at least 6 or 8 of them on the go, but they all over priced themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Kessler was not available, Abraham was not available, Joe was not available. The only one that could have been available was Joe as the Jones fight is an option fight. Kessler and Abraham both have mandatory fights to get through.
So fighters are unavailable and pricing themselves out against Pavlik.. YET these things NEVER could have possibly happend in Calzaghe's career, right?
He prefers the easy route?
Come on, man. ;)
If you find evidence where Joe seriously made an attempt to fight the top dogs 5-10 years ago when he early in his reign, I will take back my comment.
He was comfy cozy living the Warren dream of sitting back and fighting fringe guys that Warren spoon fed him over and over again.
Well I agree with you there. I can understand his unwillingness to fight Abraham in Germany though as Saunderland has been known to be shady. If it was another promoter, I would have no issue with him fighting there.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterSo you took that as Pavlik having no control over his career path?Quote:
Originally Posted by caleoh12After Pavlik and Taylor's first fight, the public definitely wanted to see them fight a second time, regardless of a rematch clause.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
In regards to a link. I read it on ESPN and it's no longer available to be viewed. (Trust me, I checked) It was back when the fight was first announced and Pavlik says something along the lines of "Hopkins isn't exactly the fight I want, but if they say you're fighting him, you gotta fight him." Pavlik didn't directly state who he wanted but it was obvious he didn't want Hopkins.
If Kessler and Abraham eventually become bigger in the US there's no doubt Pavlik would be fighting them. But as of right now, Hopkins and Calzaghe are the names which is why he is matched up with those two.
I heard Pavlik say he's NOT interested in fighting outside the States (it was after a fight, probably Lockett) that rules out going to Denmark for Kessler, Germany for Abraham, Britain for Calzaghe.. if he REALLY WANTED only the best challenges how come he's not willing to travel?
If he got a shot at Joe, I would fully expect him to fight Joe in Wales. Joe is the top dog and the top dog in my opinion should always get the pick.
Also the way I interpreted Pavlik's comment was that he was not interested in fighting Abraham or Sturm in Germany. He never said he would never travel.
This really can't be happening AGAIN ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by DeanrwWell he certainly seems to now. I know I would rather fight Jones over Pavlik in a safety sense. Before you say money, well Pavlik would have garnered him at least as much as Jones would have. Joe is knocking Pavlik now because even the media are questioning his decision in fighting Jones over Pavlik.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterUnbelievable!!! ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Deanrw
So fighters are unavailable and pricing themselves out against Pavlik.. YET these things NEVER could have possibly happend in Calzaghe's career, right?
He prefers the easy route?
Come on, man. ;)
If you find evidence where Joe seriously made an attempt to fight the top dogs 5-10 years ago when he early in his reign, I will take back my comment.
He was comfy cozy living the Warren dream of sitting back and fighting fringe guys that Warren spoon fed him over and over again.
Hopkins pricing himself out -
"A teleconference was set up in my office in New York for July 30th, 2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank Warren and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard. We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money would he want if he did. The response we got was $3million and the fight would have to take place in the United States. After a little scratching of the head, we said 'Okay, done.' Frank Warren agreed on the spot, Don King agreed and we agreed so as far as we were concerned all parties were singing off the one hymm sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard. Either that day or the next day, they came with a new demand: $6million, double the sum that had been agreed, the deal blew up.....he had then and still has no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear." - Jay Larkin, then Showtime TV Network's Senior Vice-President of Sports and Event Programming.
I have seen that one before. OK Warren may have tried to make that one, but others have claimed that they (Hopkins Camp) were also making side deals to fight ODLH.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterThis really can't be happening AGAIN ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by DeanrwWell he certainly seems to now. I know I would rather fight Jones over Pavlik in a safety sense. Before you say money, well Pavlik would have garnered him at least as much as Jones would have. Joe is knocking Pavlik now because even the media are questioning his decision in fighting Jones over Pavlik.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
If you find evidence where Joe seriously made an attempt to fight the top dogs 5-10 years ago when he early in his reign, I will take back my comment.
He was comfy cozy living the Warren dream of sitting back and fighting fringe guys that Warren spoon fed him over and over again.
Hopkins pricing himself out -
"A teleconference was set up in my office in New York for July 30th, 2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank Warren and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard. We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money would he want if he did. The response we got was $3million and the fight would have to take place in the United States. After a little scratching of the head, we said 'Okay, done.' Frank Warren agreed on the spot, Don King agreed and we agreed so as far as we were concerned all parties were singing off the one hymm sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard. Either that day or the next day, they came with a new demand: $6million, double the sum that had been agreed, the deal blew up.....he had then and still has no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear." - Jay Larkin, then Showtime TV Network's Senior Vice-President of Sports and Event Programming.
Other things like what weight class was the fight supposed to be at and other got left out. But at least in that instance an attempt was made.
He fought Oscar over 2 years later after facing Hakkar, Joppy and Allen for far less than the Calzaghe offer (although i guess there's "reasons" for that too)Quote:
Originally Posted by DeanrwI have seen that one before. OK Warren may have tried to make that one, but others have claimed that they (Hopkins Camp) were also making side deals to fight ODLH.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterThis really can't be happening AGAIN ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Deanrw
Hopkins pricing himself out -
"A teleconference was set up in my office in New York for July 30th, 2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank Warren and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard. We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money would he want if he did. The response we got was $3million and the fight would have to take place in the United States. After a little scratching of the head, we said 'Okay, done.' Frank Warren agreed on the spot, Don King agreed and we agreed so as far as we were concerned all parties were singing off the one hymm sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard. Either that day or the next day, they came with a new demand: $6million, double the sum that had been agreed, the deal blew up.....he had then and still has no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear." - Jay Larkin, then Showtime TV Network's Senior Vice-President of Sports and Event Programming.
Other things like what weight class was the fight supposed to be at and other got left out. But at least in that instance an attempt was made.
Who else did you want him to fight? Sven Ottke was top supermiddle but even his trainer, Ulli Wegner, has recently confirmed Ottke wanted NOTHING to do with Calzaghe (he earned top money without having to leave Germany).
There really isn't many BIG names. Calzaghe attempted to move-up to face Glenn Johnson at light-heavy before pulling-out injured 50 times and eventually resuming at supermiddle.
This topic has been done to death.. Lacy fans, Kessler fans, now Pavlik fans.. unfortunately for you Pavlik fans - you might not get the chance of seeing your man schooled by Calzaghe ;)
(i must be sick in the head to be going over this agian :rolleyes:)
I have - go check.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Do I love him? No. That will always be Barrera:cool: I can not tell a lie. I have got on JC's case for the slapping, even though it's worked for him and for fighting pensioners. ;) But y'know what. Good luck to him.
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Originally Posted by DeanrwWhat do you not understand about the term "Nobody else was available"? Hell Arum tried to make a fight with a shitload of guys, he had at least 6 or 8 of them on the go, but they all over priced themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterOK. Pavlik fights his silly gimme mismatch mandatory. Then fights a 43 year-old coming off a loss in a meaningless catchweight contest. Of course he'd much rather face a serious challenger but his promotional team wont let him... But you accuse Calzaghe of taking the safe route? Come on, behave. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Deanrw
Kessler was not available, Abraham was not available, Joe was not available. The only one that could have been available was Joe as the Jones fight is an option fight. Kessler and Abraham both have mandatory fights to get through.
Lacy fan - not even close! I knew he was one-dimensional from the get-go.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHe fought Oscar over 2 years later after facing Hakkar, Joppy and Allen for far less than the Calzaghe offer (although i guess there's "reasons" for that too)Quote:
Originally Posted by DeanrwI have seen that one before. OK Warren may have tried to make that one, but others have claimed that they (Hopkins Camp) were also making side deals to fight ODLH.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Other things like what weight class was the fight supposed to be at and other got left out. But at least in that instance an attempt was made.
Who else did you want him to fight? Sven Ottke was top supermiddle but even his trainer, Ulli Wegner, has recently confirmed Ottke wanted NOTHING to do with Calzaghe (he earned top money without having to leave Germany).
There really isn't many BIG names. Calzaghe attempted to move-up to face Glenn Johnson at light-heavy before pulling-out injured 50 times and eventually resuming at supermiddle.
This topic has been done to death.. Lacy fans, Kessler fans, now Pavlik fans.. unfortunately for you Pavlik fans - you might not get the chance of seeing your man schooled by Calzaghe ;)
(i must be sick in the head to be going over this agian :rolleyes:)
Kessler fan - only when he fought Calzaghe. I don't really care much about him.
I definitely am a fan of Pavlik though.
Not if Joe keeps running. Maybe Pavlik will have to shoot him in the foot. Schooled by Calzaghe? Like Hopkins was right? LMAO You are so silly. I still love ya tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHe fought Oscar over 2 years later after facing Hakkar, Joppy and Allen for far less than the Calzaghe offer (although i guess there's "reasons" for that too)Quote:
Originally Posted by DeanrwI have seen that one before. OK Warren may have tried to make that one, but others have claimed that they (Hopkins Camp) were also making side deals to fight ODLH.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Other things like what weight class was the fight supposed to be at and other got left out. But at least in that instance an attempt was made.
Who else did you want him to fight? Sven Ottke was top supermiddle but even his trainer, Ulli Wegner, has recently confirmed Ottke wanted NOTHING to do with Calzaghe (he earned top money without having to leave Germany).
There really isn't many BIG names. Calzaghe attempted to move-up to face Glenn Johnson at light-heavy before pulling-out injured 50 times and eventually resuming at supermiddle.
This topic has been done to death.. Lacy fans, Kessler fans, now Pavlik fans.. unfortunately for you Pavlik fans - you might not get the chance of seeing your man schooled by Calzaghe ;)
(i must be sick in the head to be going over this agian :rolleyes:)
Damn Dean I didn't know you were such a violent strong Pavlik fan?
I like both guys alot. I actually think Calzaghe would take it however. I mean I thought Kessler was a helluva specimen. I mean a real complete fighter.
I think Kessler would have destroyed taylor as well. But is that good logic. I don't know.