I enjoyed the fight. Rematch asap!!!
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I enjoyed the fight. Rematch asap!!!
Collazo should of never took those 2 rounds off. Fukking biitch
From tonight Berto would be slaughtered by Cotto, Mosley etc....
Margarito would go to jail for murder if Berto fought him and tried that crap....He is the weakest of the title holders for sure
Collazo won that fight IMO.....
First robbery of 2009!!!!
I feel bad for Collazo he seems to get the short end all the time...
116-111 should have Clancey investgated....Piece of garbage judge
Not to mention the two points deducted...
How is this possible? Seriously what is Boxing anymore, We all wonder why that MMA is taking over another robbery in the game of boxing! I don't understand how that Judge gave it 116-111 what was wrong with that Guy! NY's Gov. David Paterson is Blind and he would have gave Collazo the fight! What a Disgrace!
Soon enough there wont be any fans left if they keep doing this shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Just didn't do quite enough just like in the Ricky Hatton fight, but i feel the Luis Collazo that fought Andre Berto. Fought much more spirited then the Luis Collazo who fought Ricky Hatton.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Well i have no problem with score i thought some rounds were very close and Berto i thought won rounds 11 12 which sealed it for him to tell you truth by no way is that a robbery want to see a robbery wacth Holyfeild last fight all i got say is Margrito going to be a problem and that is all.
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Originally Posted by ICB
I do agree though Berto did show a lot of heart....I respect him for that....Thing is I still have the same thing today to say about him that I did 7 months ago....
He needs to increase his stamina and he needs to improve big on defense......
I also think Berto would do better at a lighter weight....drop a bit of muscle and keep power with the speed and added stamina he would truly be a top notch fighter
yep. But let's face it, it's no big surprise. Berto's the upside guy, more people make money if he wins. I'm not the sort who likes to throw around words like crooked, but damn, the evidence continues to pile up.Quote:
Originally Posted by wesrman
I'm a Berto fan, & I can't lie I was prayin for a victory at the end but from the rounds I saw Collazo won it, although it seems it could very narrowly have gone the other way.
BUT... to score it 116-111 is just a pisstake, I didn't miss THAT many rounds. Gil Clancy must have got some of Al Haymon's money in his pocket. (Just wondering is Haymon the guy with the grey hair who came into the ring at the end grinning like the cheshire cat?)
Collazo was class personified after though, gotta rate him even more for that
When Collazo took those rounds off I had a feeling he was giving the fight away. And he did. Fukk him. I'm done with Collazo
Agreed Daxx.Margarito,Williams and yes Clottey Imo would bend Berto over and have their brutal way with him.Now I know why his handlers waited until AFTER he 'obtained' a trincket to actually fight a top ten guy in Berto is a very flawed hyped up fighter.
It's disgusting makes me almost not want to watch boxing. I didn't even think that fight was that close honestly sure berto would land flashy shots but collazo just did an insane amount of work on the inside, 116-111 that dude should have his fuckin license revoked and I don't claim to be the best judge of a fight but I would do a ten times better job, it's just sad cause collazo just can't catch a break, hatton very close fight, injury against mosley, and now in my eyes plain robbery.
Also dax did you score the fight round by round i thought it was close going into the 11 and the 12 both i thought berto won and yea i do think Margrito is going to be a big problem only think williams can beat him but i dont think he while ever get down to the weight ever again tell you truth
I agree. Berto aint for real. He's just a B level fighter after all. I wish people would stop overhyping him now.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Streams kept collapsing so I gave up on it in the end. Will download a copy when I get the chance so I can judge this. If a fight is close though, it can't be called a robbery. So if you had it 114-113 Collazo and it was given the other way, hard to call that a robbery. I'll watch it and judge for myself though.
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Yep; Margarito will hospitalize Berto and I soooo look forward to seeing it happen, hopefully. And Cotto will work that boy too.....At worst it was a draw; but Collazo won that fight.....116/111 is ridiculous to say the least. I look forward to watching Berto get knocked out brutally.
No he isn't he's still learning Luis Collazo is a very good fighter, i don't know why Andre Berto is getting alot of hate. He showed alot of heart to pull out those last 2 rounds, he's exciting he's good for the sport so why hate ? he won a close decision that could of gone either way.Quote:
Originally Posted by PacstraightleftQuote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
I agree. Berto aint for real. He's just a B level fighter after all. I wish people would stop overhyping him now.
Really like to see your scores for everyone saying it was a robbery that is a strong word to through around for me i dont think this fight was that.
Let's see Cotto deal with Berto's speed and power. It wasn't robbery at all. Berto would give Mosley and Cotto all they can handle.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
116-111 is obviously ridiculous, but I didn't have a problem with 114-113. I wouldn't have had a problem with it either way.
HBO notes: Harold Lederman had Luis winning round 7. Luis held his hands down, threw seldom, and landed only 4 punches to Berto's 21. I couldn't believe it when I saw that.
Bob is apparently unaware of the fact that there was no official KD in round 1.
Ok maybe the term robbery is to strong, but fuck I'm telling you if that was another fighter and not berto collazo would have gotten the nod, berto got the nod cause he's hbo's darling, and that's bullshit. I mean 116-111 that should tell you something is amiss, there is no way in the world that you can convince me collazo only won 3 rounds in that fight. Complete bull
Well i scored it 114-113 for Berto i though Collazo gave away rounds at the end and had it close going into the 11 and i thought Berto won the 11 and then won the 12 which sealed it for him showed alot of hart he took to many shots and wish he box more i think Cotto might have problems if he gets hit becasue of his chin Margrito is all wrong for Betro and Williams is a no winner in my view he does not have much chance against Williams but not to many people do so i dont know whats the deal.
I can agree that it was not a 'Robbery' by truest definition but Bertos Power is Hugely overrated.His speed translates to power and tonight he relied on one or two at a time,not explosive combination punching and getting out.Cotto is a question mark to me off Tony loss....but Imo if he played shot for shot with Mosley,Shane would knock him out.Most likely he'll rematch Collazo,no doubtQuote:
Originally Posted by TaethLet's see Cotto deal with Berto's speed and power. It wasn't robbery at all. Berto would give Mosley and Cotto all they can handle.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Before they announced the decision, I half expected some kind of screwy decision. The the two extra points in Collazo's favour, made a pretty close fight a convincing one for Collazo. 116-111 is fucking disgrace and that guy should be shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by wesrmanSoon enough there wont be any fans left if they keep doing this shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Collazo deserves an immediate rematch, anything less is criminal. Berto no way won that fight.
To say its a robbery, is just plain dumb... There were a few swing rounds that could have been scored either way...
Collazo is a tough,tough fighter who showed out tonite... He threw 200 more punches then Berto, but Andre landed more and threw the harder shots..
Luis makes people look bad because he is a slick southpaw.. I agree 116-111 was retarded, but it was far from a robbery and even Luis himself admitted that 116-111 was ridiculous that it should have been 114-113 on all three cards... He admitted himself he lost
Andre fought an ugly fight plain and simple, but he showed heart and determination and like Kellerman said another dimension and another gear..
All of the greats have had ugly fights were they looked like not elite, but they dig it out, go back to the gym and make adjustments
Collazo is a stylistic nightmare for anyone, people before the fight were proclaiming Luis was a good fighter and would beat Berto, Andre beats him and then your hating on his win from beating a good fighter...
Yep found that comical, Lennox gave him a funny look when they were doing the closing remarks when he said it;DQuote:
Originally Posted by DAWGSWIN
Miles I feel the same way but I've read some of the comments here and I'm thinking maybe I was rooting to dam hard for collazo and it clouded my judgement cause some people seem to think berto took fight. I don't know at the end of the day I just feel like there was some shady shit going on due to the 116-111 score that's just bogus!!!
Great fight, although I thought Collazo should've won it. Gotta protect that "0". Anyway, I don't see Berto as a threat to any of the truly elite WW's, namely Cotto and Margarito. Cotto will maim him, and Margarito will bury him.
One thing Im not clear on...was there an actual KD scored in the first?? I didnt see that properly because I was having stream issues. The commentators kept alluding to it, but I only saw Berto falling backwards, not knocked down.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesBefore they announced the decision, I half expected some kind of screwy decision. The the two extra points in Collazo's favour, made a pretty close fight a convincing one for Collazo. 116-111 is fucking disgrace and that guy should be shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by wesrmanSoon enough there wont be any fans left if they keep doing this shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Collazo deserves an immediate rematch, anything less is criminal. Berto no way won that fight.
Either way, Collazo was hard done by.
Collazo won the fight.
Answer: As long as boxing doesn't put it's foot down and hold refs accountable for bullsh*t decisions. Also, as long as HBO, et al, exert influence over who should be the next face of U.S. boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
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Decisions aside, your boy gave a great account of himself tonight, I had no idea his chin was that good man. I also had no idea he was capable of that output, good show.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanAnswer: As long as boxing doesn't put it's foot down and hold refs accountable for bullsh*t decisions. Also, as long as HBO, et al, exert influence over who should be the next face of U.S. boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
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I just hope collazo gets another shot, cause kellerman kept alluding to this might be collazo's last shot, why da fuck should it be??? We're to quick today to write of fighters just because they've had a few losses. hopefully this'll boost both guys careers, because berto didn't judge the fight and he can't be blamed for a decision that I think is bogus. Although as some others have mentioned I think the other big name welterweights take him out.
He surprised the hell out of me also, KS. Berto did tag him good, and I was surprised Collazo took it that well. And his work to the body was astounding. Overall an excellent fight, and a great way to start 2009.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepDecisions aside, your boy gave a great account of himself tonight, I had no idea his chin was that good man. I also had no idea he was capable of that output, good show.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanAnswer: As long as boxing doesn't put it's foot down and hold refs accountable for bullsh*t decisions. Also, as long as HBO, et al, exert influence over who should be the next face of U.S. boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
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There was no knockdown, Bob makes more miscalls than any other announcer I can think of. There was a round in the middle of the fight where Berto hit Collazo with a great jab and moved his head, almighty Bob say "Left from Berto misses"Quote:
Originally Posted by milesOne thing Im not clear on...was there an actual KD scored in the first?? I didnt see that properly because I was having stream issues. The commentators kept alluding to it, but I only saw Berto falling backwards, not knocked down.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesBefore they announced the decision, I half expected some kind of screwy decision. The the two extra points in Collazo's favour, made a pretty close fight a convincing one for Collazo. 116-111 is fucking disgrace and that guy should be shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by wesrman
Collazo deserves an immediate rematch, anything less is criminal. Berto no way won that fight.
Either way, Collazo was hard done by.
I scored the fight 114-113 Collazo, but I don't think it was a robbery, there were definate swing rounds including the first, where Berto battled back.
I would love to see a rematch this was a great fight. I have lots of respect for both guys. People will say Berto is overrated, I say that's disrespectful to the effort Collazo put in, Berto is THAT good, and Collazo was right there with him the whole fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanHe surprised the hell out of me also, KS. Berto did tag him good, and I was surprised Collazo took it that well. And his work to the body was astounding. Overall an excellent fight, and a great way to start 2009.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepDecisions aside, your boy gave a great account of himself tonight, I had no idea his chin was that good man. I also had no idea he was capable of that output, good show.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
I myself feel that Collazo deserves the rematch. The fight was closely contested, and both left it all out there. And I'm not saying Berto is not a real good fighter, but it just irks me that when the networks single out the next phenom, it tends to skew things their way. Judging in boxing is anything but consistent, and that hurts the sport. I honestly thought Collazo won the fight tonight. Sadly, I think the rematch won't happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepI would love to see a rematch this was a great fight. I have lots of respect for both guys. People will say Berto is overrated, I say that's disrespectful to the effort Collazo put in, Berto is THAT good, and Collazo was right there with him the whole fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanHe surprised the hell out of me also, KS. Berto did tag him good, and I was surprised Collazo took it that well. And his work to the body was astounding. Overall an excellent fight, and a great way to start 2009.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
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Originally Posted by TitoFanI myself feel that Collazo deserves the rematch. The fight was closely contested, and both left it all out there. And I'm not saying Berto is not a real good fighter, but it just irks me that when the networks single out the next phenom, it tends to skew things their way. Judging in boxing is anything but consistent, and that hurts the sport. I honestly thought Collazo won the fight tonight. Sadly, I think the rematch won't happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepI would love to see a rematch this was a great fight. I have lots of respect for both guys. People will say Berto is overrated, I say that's disrespectful to the effort Collazo put in, Berto is THAT good, and Collazo was right there with him the whole fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
The thing is who is Berto gonna fight if he doesn't rematch Collazo? The winner of Mosely/Margo? Paul Williams? Cotto? Judah? I mean Collazo rematch doesn't sound like a bad option Williams/Margo are both just too big. Cotto is a question mark til we see his return against Jennings. Judah, has been written off by just about everyone. Those are the names that could get on an HBO bill IMO.