What a shitty way to have the fight end, but Dawson has no one to blame but himself if he loses his titles. The fight was there for him to win and he gave it away because he was afraid to fight.
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What a shitty way to have the fight end, but Dawson has no one to blame but himself if he loses his titles. The fight was there for him to win and he gave it away because he was afraid to fight.
On a side note Titere is confusing the hell out of Ji Hoon Kim
Game set match.....exact. No one to blame but himselfQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Yeah huge lesson for Dawson.
exactly, he had Pascal out in the beginning of the round as well as he did in the 9th, if he would have stepped it up he would have gotten the KOQuote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Tavoris Cloud knocks out Pascal IMO.
Montreal will implode on itself if Pascal and Bute fight. Ya shitty ending, but it happens. Dawson lost this fight but could have won it, imo. But go Pascal! Would love to see that big Canuckian fight happen.
Taking forever to tally the scores.
Dawson doesn't have a killer instinct, and that hurt him too.
I think the 108-101 was obscene but I had the 106-103 scores...Dawson gave it away he has no one to blasme he looked tired when he had chances to land he let Pascal go....Then the headbutt was the nail in the coffin because he could have pulled out a KO
Bute will beat the living shit out of Pascal. He'll hurt him eventually and he won't let him off the hook like Dawson did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Youngblood
Maybe its just me but I never thought Pascal was on the verge of getting stopped. If Chad had kept it up nonstop over the next round and a half maybe.
As for the fight in general, Pascal was more ambitious. That's about it really.
Someone tell Pascal Calzaghe retired? Also tell buffer this wasnt a lightweight fight =P
The thing is, Pascal also apparently has a great chin, Dawson was making the mistake Hopkins did against Taylor, like he was gonna stop him late, but when the opportunity was there he stopped and looked. But if Pascal even seemingly hurt Dawson, he jumped on him regardless or not, that's the difference. If Dawson was like Pascal that everytime he seemed to hurt him jumped on him, he may have won this fight, but this is the difference between these two fighters. Pascal fought regardless of what happened and was always on Dawson whether hurt or not, and Dawson whenever he hurt Pascal just stood and watched.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myk_Myk
Maybe Dawson hurt him worse that we thought :p.Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
what just happened?
what is wrong with dawson, if he would have tried just a little that would have been an easy rd 2 KO...
at least now with pascal and bute fighting each other at least one of therm will be out of the picture soon
also dawsons corner allowed him to think he was winning that fight, he didnt even try to press the action when he had an EASY stoppage standing before him
I dont like him
I hate it when the loser whines and makes excuses. Fuck off Dawson, you have no one to blame but yourself.
Merchant "You ARE making excuses."
I usually don't like when fighters say "I take nothing away from him, or make any excuses.. BUT.."
Dawson has himself to blame for not stepping it up. Pascal has shown he has a heart of a champion fighting with one arm or even staying in there when he was hurt and trying to trade.
That was the factor, any other fighter would have probably been knocked out by Dawson tonight. But Dawson had to know he had a different kind of fighter in front of him and should have pressed it like he did. He didn't and he lost, end of story.
dawson thinks he will be ready to fight again in 3 months?
hes gonna have to start douching his eye vagina soon then
Who?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Good win for Pascal, thoroughly deserved, Chad whining like a bitch post fight glad he lost.
Pascal has done himself proud since losing to Carl Froch. He's now beaten Dioconu twice when he wasn't supposed to and has nowupset Chad Dawson.
I would LOVE to see him upset Lucian Bute too :cool:
Dawson win the rematch, hopefully he learns that he has to make shit happen and not just counter. He was connecting lefts down the pipe and right hooks just not enough.
Titere shows everyone how to handle a slugger with a well deserved UD over Ji Hoon Kim.
It sounded to me in the post fight like Dawson would fight the same fight in a rematch because he was sure he was gonna stop him late.Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
What this fight showed me, was that Dawson probably would have gotten beaten by Hopkins, who would have done something similar to what Pascal did but here is the thing, Bernard would have been grittier, wouldn't have gotten hurt, and has a better straight right hand. Dawson might have been stopped had that been Bernard in there.
Chad "Im not afraid but I put ear plugs in my child ears while I listened to my eminem CD" DawsonQuote:
Originally Posted by BilboWho?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Good win for Pascal, thoroughly deserved, Chad whining like a bitch post fight glad he lost.
Pascal has done himself proud since losing to Carl Froch. He's now beaten Dioconu twice when he wasn't supposed to and has nowupset Chad Dawson.
I would LOVE to see him upset Lucian Bute too :cool:
Hello hyperbole-man ;D Dawson's knocked out exactly zero elite-ish fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
But yes Chad has himself to blame.
All I can say is HELL YES !
Nobody else picked Pascal but me, least not that I saw.
I said he would be faster and had great heart and he showed both and won the damn fight tonight.
Great performance by Pascal.
Too bad about the cut tho.
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Originally Posted by CFHMaybe Dawson hurt him worse that we thought :p.Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
I don;t know why he got piss happy when Butes name was mentioned because though he won the fight he did not look anywhere good enough to beat Bute with that performance...Just my opp though....Pascal has 1 fight to choose before he has to face Dawson again....If it is Bute Dawson will be fighting him for personal pride not ring gold
Fuck!!!!
It did look like Dawson just followed Pascal around the ring and lost just because he didn't let his hands go, but maybe we're not giving Pascal enough credit. His speed, pop and reflexes were really bothering Dawson early.
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Originally Posted by Hulk
Actually I thought Pascal would win today as well although I didn't post anything. I've recently been thinking that Floyd Mayweather is the only truly great athlete in any combat sport and we've seen in boxing and MMA in recent weeks the great Fedor, Anderson Silva, Devon Alexander and now Chad Dawson exposed to a degree. Every time a supposed p4p top fighter loses my admiration for pretty boy Floyd grows, hereally is the best p4p fighter in any sport today, by a mile imo.
Ok, I am just back from the fight:
I've been superbly lucky because the Bell Center wasn't full capacity, they did exchange my tickets against 2 in the best section:cool: So all in all, the crowd went quite mad and I am certain Jean Pascal did get some new fans in there. From what I'Ve seen from a close distance, Jean Pascal really did more aggression and Dawson did look quite hurt a couple of time where Pascal looked quite ok, even in the 11th when he got battered in the first minute he wasn't too shaken, at least, it didn't look bad enough to fear a "final" knock out. Big win for Pascal, I know that there is a rematch clause in the contract but I wonder if Shaw will claim it right away for Chad's next bout or if he'll try to throw it in the cooker to rebuild Chad's confidence with a tune-up fight in the meantime.
Quite a good moment to be back in Montreal and though i am not a huge Pascal fan, I was quite happy with the end result. Chad's the only one to blame, he did look timid all fight long and did let Pascal build himself a huge advance on the card, his post-fight whining was utterly pathetic and I wouldn't be surprise if he would require a fair period of time to recover mentally from the lost.
congrats to jean pascal. only the second time i see him fight and i'm very impressed with his speed, power and overall ability. he really wanted it more tonight and took the fight to the talented dawson. i'd love to see him in there with lucian bute and would give him a good chance on beating him. a jean pascal/tavoris cloud fight would be a "sicko" fans dream fight. i mean it would be absolutely brutal with i believe pascal winning by KO.
i think Dawson KO's Pascal in a rematch
could be but yesterday, he never got him on the brink of K.O, even when Chad had his best moments in the 11th the k.o wasn't in sight. One thing for sure, that could dress the table for a Bute-Pascal and that, in Montreal, would be extremely huge and I am certain that this fight would interest HBO now.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
it did look like Pascal was about to go down a couple of times in the 11th, Pascal was hurt the worse of the two, but for whatever reason Dawson just backed off, i don't know if it was a case of Dawson underestimating Pascal and then not doing enough to get the decision, i'm not taking anything away from Pascal, he won the fight fair and square, but IMO Dawson is still the best fighter in the division and would KO Pascal in a rematchQuote:
Originally Posted by Namelesscould be but yesterday, he never got him on the brink of K.O, even when Chad had his best moments in the 11th the k.o wasn't in sight. One thing for sure, that could dress the table for a Bute-Pascal and that, in Montreal, would be extremely huge and I am certain that this fight would interest HBO now.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
To be honest, I was sure Dawson would pull a wide UD but he was just not active enough. I'Ve seen the fight from very close and though Pascal was not at his best and was ringed in the 11th, he was far from the KO, I was close enough to see his face and he didn't look faded or nothing and it is perhaps the only serious moment where Chad had him in danger where Pascal solidly buckled Dawson's knees 2-3 times in the fight. I wonder if it's just that Dawson took him lightly or simply had a bad day at the office but he was quite outmatched in this one. The revenge will be quite interesting and I wouldn't be surprised neither if Dawson would pull off that one but first, let's see how affected he is mentally.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesit did look like Pascal was about to go down a couple of times in the 11th, Pascal was hurt the worse of the two, but for whatever reason Dawson just backed off, i don't know if it was a case of Dawson underestimating Pascal and then not doing enough to get the decision, i'm not taking anything away from Pascal, he won the fight fair and square, but IMO Dawson is still the best fighter in the division and would KO Pascal in a rematchQuote:
Originally Posted by Namelesscould be but yesterday, he never got him on the brink of K.O, even when Chad had his best moments in the 11th the k.o wasn't in sight. One thing for sure, that could dress the table for a Bute-Pascal and that, in Montreal, would be extremely huge and I am certain that this fight would interest HBO now.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Chad Dawson didn't get exposed at all, alot of people thought it would be a close fight. Because Jean Pascal has improved as a fighter, and Jean Pascal's awkward style and speed will always be a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboQuote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
Actually I thought Pascal would win today as well although I didn't post anything. I've recently been thinking that Floyd Mayweather is the only truly great athlete in any combat sport and we've seen in boxing and MMA in recent weeks the great Fedor, Anderson Silva, Devon Alexander and now Chad Dawson exposed to a degree. Every time a supposed p4p top fighter loses my admiration for pretty boy Floyd grows, hereally is the best p4p fighter in any sport today, by a mile imo.
Chad Dawson just didn't let his hands go enough, and he was outhustled. But technically he looked the better fighter, and he landed more punches and he had Jean Pascal hurt quite badly in the 11th.
I think Chad Dawson wins a rematch, and he will gain more fans. Because he will have to up the pace and fight more aggressively.
Jean Pascal is a good fighter but i think Chad Dawson is still the better fighter, and he will prove it in a rematch.
When he decided to throw Jean Pascal never countered.
Good fights are ofter ruined by stupid excuses. Doesn't matter why. Dawson got beat, bottom line. There's no evidence that anything diffferent would happen in a rematch trilogy or if they fought ten times. Dawson had 12 rounds to prove something different but instead used the two or so minutes after the fight to try and explain why he didn't. Tough shit let's move on. Pascal to me last night looked like he made it appear he was doing more than he was, he was pestering dawson but not hurting him at all. I actually look forward to any of them fighting cloud, i think cloud has the ability to surprise any of them. Butte has got to be favored coming in still.
Dont know about that as Dawson doesn't even look like he 'thinks' ko. Has to be in mental make up and aside from early burst in 11th from which he backed off he gives so much away,passively. That uppercut he landed before the head butt was timed and executed nicely...Pascal was literally short circuited and frozen for a second and Dawsons instinct faultered...he should have pounced as if it was part of a combination. Personally I think he has things to strengthen and they cannot be found in the gym.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales