Sergio Martinez vs. Matthew Macklin - St. Pat's day fight thread

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Originally Posted by Memphis

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

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Originally Posted by Memphis

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

McGirt is an awful trainer. Let him come out for the final round.

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I dont like the guy but I think they got that one right. That 2nd knockdown was a sickener, Macklin didnt have a scoobie what was going on.

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They had a whole minute to let him get it together and instead it was immediately 'no more, no more'. He was up, hands up and back in his corner without too much of an issue.

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I didnt see Macklin complain much mate :-\

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True, but it's better to use the minute to assess the fighter rather than stopping it immediately. If then he still seems out of it then for sure call it off. I'm not one for premature stoppages and especially at the end of a round when there is recovery time.

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Originally Posted by Mars_ax

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Originally Posted by Maravilla2012

Martinez wins by stoppage. Yet he looked like a normal fighter, seemed more like an undercard fight more then a main event.

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I thought he looked great the last 4 rounds of the fight, including the close in the 11th. He did what champions do, took the fight over when he needed to.

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Agreed

He clearly underestimated him a bit, when it got serious he put his game face on and dispatched him in good style.

All of a sudden Martinez is shite now?

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

I really like Martinez...but honestly I feel he and Mayweather could be one of the biggest pose offs and snooze fests this year. Purely styles

Oh but I like Martinez in it ;D

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I completely agree with that.

Mayweather against Martinez would definitely be boring. You would have 20 punches a round combined. Tedious.

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Originally Posted by Memphis

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Originally Posted by Mars_ax

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Originally Posted by Maravilla2012

Martinez wins by stoppage. Yet he looked like a normal fighter, seemed more like an undercard fight more then a main event.

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I thought he looked great the last 4 rounds of the fight, including the close in the 11th. He did what champions do, took the fight over when he needed to.

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Agreed

He clearly underestimated him a bit, when it got serious he put his game face on and dispatched him in good style.

All of a sudden Martinez is shite now?

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The man had no legs at all, before he got knocked down, every time he threw something he was off balance. He'd be an idiot to try an continue.

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

Martinez is pulling away with this. Not a very exciting fight.

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The first 7 rounds weren't really worth watching, but the 8th round on was entertaining/exciting for me, but then i'm a Martinez fan.

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Originally Posted by fan johnny

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Originally Posted by Memphis

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Originally Posted by Mars_ax

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Originally Posted by Maravilla2012

Martinez wins by stoppage. Yet he looked like a normal fighter, seemed more like an undercard fight more then a main event.

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I thought he looked great the last 4 rounds of the fight, including the close in the 11th. He did what champions do, took the fight over when he needed to.

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Agreed

He clearly underestimated him a bit, when it got serious he put his game face on and dispatched him in good style.

All of a sudden Martinez is shite now?

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The man had no legs at all, before he got knocked down, every time he threw something he was off balance. He'd be an idiot to try an continue.

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I have no idea what you just tried to say :confused:

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Originally Posted by Memphis

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Originally Posted by Mars_ax

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Originally Posted by Maravilla2012

Martinez wins by stoppage. Yet he looked like a normal fighter, seemed more like an undercard fight more then a main event.

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I thought he looked great the last 4 rounds of the fight, including the close in the 11th. He did what champions do, took the fight over when he needed to.

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Agreed

He clearly underestimated him a bit, when it got serious he put his game face on and dispatched him in good style.

All of a sudden Martinez is shite now?

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You can bet Martinez will get criticized after this fight for not putting Macklin away sooner, he's shit, he's getting old, et al. What the critics don't seem to get is, you aren't always going to look great in every round of every fight, and sometimes you've got to suck it up and work hard to get a victory.

I haven't seen the fight, but Martinez is almost always a slow starter. I've seen him talk about how he doesn't watch film and that he likes to get a feel for his opponent during the early rounds. It'll bite him in the ass someday, but it hasn't yet.

Just wanted to add, yes McGirt is an idiot, but truth be told Macklin was done, if he came out for the 12th round Martinez would have went for the kill, continuing would have been pointless. Live to fight another day.

Good fight, well worth watching again, i'll check it out in the morning.

P.S. Macklin is a likable kid who gave it his all, I hope he gets another shot at Sturm.

Anyone know what the official scores were on this? Im intrigued to know since there were some real close rounds

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Originally Posted by CFH

I haven't seen the fight, but Martinez is almost always a slow starter. I've seen him talk about how he doesn't watch film and that he likes to get a feel for his opponent during the early rounds. It'll bite him in the ass someday, but it hasn't yet.

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After a somewhat bogus KD by Macklin in the 7th round, Macklin was likely ahead on points, to Sergio's credit, he knew he was falling behind on the cards, and started turning it up a notch from the 8th round on. But yeah, playing catch up and/or getting to the point where you need a KO to win, might come back to bite him on the ass.

I do have to say that Martinez looked really good the last 4 rounds of the fight, and it was an impressive finish for him.

No stream for the fight?

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Originally Posted by J_C

Anyone know what the official scores were on this? Im intrigued to know since there were some real close rounds

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Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the scores were 105-101, 105-101, 103-103 in favor of Martinez.

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Originally Posted by TigerFan

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Originally Posted by J_C

Anyone know what the official scores were on this? Im intrigued to know since there were some real close rounds

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Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the scores were 105-101, 105-101, 103-103 in favor of Martinez.

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Damn thats way closer than I had it. That 103-103 is crazy imo. The 105-101 is fair enough, though I had it wider.

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Originally Posted by CFH

I haven't seen the fight, but Martinez is almost always a slow starter. I've seen him talk about how he doesn't watch film and that he likes to get a feel for his opponent during the early rounds. It'll bite him in the ass someday, but it hasn't yet.

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After a somewhat bogus KD by Macklin in the 7th round, Macklin was likely ahead on points, to Sergio's credit, he knew he was falling behind on the cards, and started turning it up a notch from the 8th round on. But yeah, playing catch up and/or getting to the point where you need a KO to win, might come back to bite him on the ass.

I do have to say that Martinez looked really good the last 4 rounds of the fight, and it was an impressive finish for him.

No stream for the fight?

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I was out. It was a fight I really wanted to see because I thought their styles would make for a good scrap, but I haven't been watching much boxing at all lately.

How did you all have teh score at the time of stoppage???

cheers

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Originally Posted by fightscorecollector

How did you all have teh score at the time of stoppage???

cheers

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The official scorecards at the time of the stoppage were:

judge: Carlos Ortiz Jr. 105-101 | judge: Don Trella 105-101 | judge: Julie Lederman 103-103


I thought 105-101 sounded about right, but Julie Lederman must have had her head up her ass or was swayed by the Irish crowd while she was scoring the fight, no way was that 103-103.

Just watched the last two rounds.

I don't understand why McGirt stopped it so quickly. Macklin was clearly hurt, but why wouldn't McGirt give him the full minute to see if he could recover? From everything I have read, it wasn't like Macklin was getting blown out. McGirt stopped it almost as soon as the round ended.

McGirt was saving him from getting knocked unconcious. It was blatantly obvious how badly he slowed down and tired and anyone that knows his history could see that.

Macklin said afterwards - "with hindsight Billy Graham (one of his previous trainers) should have stopped him going out for the 11th round against Jamie Moore" (he was sparked face first unconcious)

He knew he was finished and didn't protest in the slightest.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

McGirt was saving him from getting knocked unconcious. It was blatantly obvious how badly he slowed down and tired and anyone that knows his history could see that.

Macklin said afterwards - "with hindsight Billy Graham (one of his previous trainers) should have stopped him going out for the 11th round against Jamie Moore" (he was sparked face first unconcious)

He knew he was finished and didn't protest in the slightest.

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I understand that and I'm not saying McGirt should have let the fight go on, only that I don't understand why he wouldn't give him the full minute to see if he could recover.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

McGirt was saving him from getting knocked unconcious. It was blatantly obvious how badly he slowed down and tired and anyone that knows his history could see that.

Macklin said afterwards - "with hindsight Billy Graham (one of his previous trainers) should have stopped him going out for the 11th round against Jamie Moore" (he was sparked face first unconcious)

He knew he was finished and didn't protest in the slightest.

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I understand that and I'm not saying McGirt should have let the fight go on, only that I don't understand why he wouldn't give him the full minute to see if he could recover.

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Because Macklin had visibly slowed and had pretty much no chance of winning. He didn't have the power to hurt Martinez, and because he'd been badly hurt himself, he no longer had the ability to land anything of meaningful substance.

He might have 'gone out on his shield' or had the pleasure of 'seeing the final bell' but when you've been badly shaken twice in in quick succession then i don't think there's any point when you have zero chance of winning the fight - especially when you have a big chance of getting knocked out badly.

I couldn't believe Sergio still had enough energy to dance circles around Macklin in round 11. He has godly stamina for his age.

Macklin's awkward, bobbing look was a smart move but I think they underestimated Sergio's intelligence and adaptability. The fight was over the moment Sergio made adjustments and landed his "left straight from hell" in round 9. No one has ever come back after taking that punch.

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Originally Posted by JazzWolf

I couldn't believe Sergio still had enough energy to dance circles around Macklin in round 11. He has godly stamina for his age.

Macklin's awkward, bobbing look was a smart move but I think they underestimated Sergio's intelligence and adaptability. The fight was over the moment Sergio made adjustments and landed his "left straight from hell" in round 9. No one has ever come back after taking that punch.

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i disagree. it wasn't that martinez had made adjustments due to his intelligence and adaptability. its that macklin has endurance issues and tired down the stretch. he became easier to hit while throwing fewer punches... which granted martinez(who does have great endurance), the opportunities to capitalize on. which of course he did.

i posit that if martinez had been fighting a more skilled and better rounded fighter that his poor performance may have resulted in a points loss.

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Originally Posted by JazzWolf

I couldn't believe Sergio still had enough energy to dance circles around Macklin in round 11. He has godly stamina for his age.

Macklin's awkward, bobbing look was a smart move but I think they underestimated Sergio's intelligence and adaptability. The fight was over the moment Sergio made adjustments and landed his "left straight from hell" in round 9. No one has ever come back after taking that punch.

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I believe it was Steward (it might have been Merchant) who said that Martinez looked as fresh in the 11th round as he did the 1st.

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Originally Posted by ruthless rocco

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Originally Posted by JazzWolf

I couldn't believe Sergio still had enough energy to dance circles around Macklin in round 11. He has godly stamina for his age.

Macklin's awkward, bobbing look was a smart move but I think they underestimated Sergio's intelligence and adaptability. The fight was over the moment Sergio made adjustments and landed his "left straight from hell" in round 9. No one has ever come back after taking that punch.

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i disagree. it wasn't that martinez had made adjustments due to his intelligence and adaptability. its that macklin has endurance issues and tired down the stretch. he became easier to hit while throwing fewer punches... which granted martinez(who does have great endurance), the opportunities to capitalize on. which of course he did.

i posit that if martinez had been fighting a more skilled and better rounded fighter that his poor performance may have resulted in a points loss.

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No argument there. He's still got the power, speed, and the durability but his disadvantage in technical skill has been exposed in his past couple fights; his "hands down" style is costing him at times, allowing his opponents to score counter shots in between his punches. Macklin nearly landed some decent counter punches but narrowly missed because of slow execution or lack of leverage. If it were someone like Chavez Jr or Bute, there would be serious issues.

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Originally Posted by ruthless rocco

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Originally Posted by JazzWolf

I couldn't believe Sergio still had enough energy to dance circles around Macklin in round 11. He has godly stamina for his age.

Macklin's awkward, bobbing look was a smart move but I think they underestimated Sergio's intelligence and adaptability. The fight was over the moment Sergio made adjustments and landed his "left straight from hell" in round 9. No one has ever come back after taking that punch.

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i disagree. it wasn't that martinez had made adjustments due to his intelligence and adaptability. its that macklin has endurance issues and tired down the stretch. he became easier to hit while throwing fewer punches... which granted martinez(who does have great endurance), the opportunities to capitalize on. which of course he did.

i posit that if martinez had been fighting a more skilled and better rounded fighter that his poor performance may have resulted in a points loss.

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Well, that's the thing, Sergio leaves a lot, perhaps too much, to chance. Actually, I agree that he leaves a little too much room for error in the time it takes him to figure his opponent out. However, I've also noticed that he tends to fight well in the final rounds. Like you said, his stamina is excellent and he is a great athlete. He also, like other champions, can make adjustments. I disagree with you on that. For example, it took him 12 rounds to figure out Paul Williams, and although I thought he beat Paul Williams in their first fight, the next time around, he had already figured him out, and made the adjustment, which led to the knockout.
Who is a fighter in your estimation that would have taken advantage of Martinez's imperfect performance?