I had Minto for a good profit there, knew we wasn't getting it but still. Fucking corrupt UK. Fact.
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I had Minto for a good profit there, knew we wasn't getting it but still. Fucking corrupt UK. Fact.
Joshua looks pretty good, great physicality and some skills, even though he's in with a total can. They should have just taken the gamble and put him in Prizefighter, I bet he'd have won.
Most pleasing development is that they didn't call him the future peoples champion.
The knowlegable york hall crowd are all doing the Rick Flair
cunts are still calling sprott froch
This was even worse than could have been expected. Sprott could get fed to Anthony Joshua in a few months time or something I guess, must be what they are lining up.
Could be given to Price as a comeback fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Yea for sure that makes sense, would be a better payday for Sprott to probably. Thought since Joshua fought on the same event they might give him the winner, maybe that's partly why they made sure not to get anyone good on the lineup.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeCould be given to Price as a comeback fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
So Sprott won? Toney lost?
Yeah, they didn't fight though. Toney lost to Gavern in the semi, it could've gone either way I guess but he was getting knocked around and his right hand looks comical these days. His balance is just terrible, he'd never beat anyone who can stay upright behind a jab anymore.
Fuck. Wasn't Gavern one of Toney's ex-sparring partners? I seem to recall him beating him up in sparring and Gavern being on a Toney undercard. Could be wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Poor Toney couldn't even win this Prizefighter. He's done. Been done. He was great.
Yup Gavern talked about that right after. He wouldn't even have been good sparring for James before a few years ago, hope Toney knows he can't fight anymore and made a bit of money today.
Actually, I was very impressed with Toney. The format was always going to be awkward for him, but he adjusted very well. He easily won the first fight and I actually think he won the second fight too. I think he looked really sharp and it was a significant difference to how he looked against Lucas Browne. He balance was actually a LOT better and his output noticeably improved. He was throwing combinations and he hasn't been doing that whilst clinically obese.
I don't think he needs to retire, I think he needs to stay busy and have a couple of ten rounders. The important thing is to keep this weight and stay in shape. A fight with Tarver after a couple more tune ups for instance would be quite fun.
If his balance looked better then I don't even want to know how bad it's been, last time I saw him was the Lebedev affair and while he didn't throw anything even then he looked better on his feet with a probable injury. He is all over the place every time he so much as blocks a punch or throws anything, he is practically knocking himself down out there. He would have absolutely no chance of beating anyone half decent over even 8 rounds today, and even Tarver may actually be the first man to stop Toney, which would be sad to see. He needs to retire badly, there is no such thing as a tune up for somebody in his condition.
Lebedev saw him injured in the second round or thereabout. Any normal fighter would have called it quits then. Imagine if Tyson had completed the fight against Danny Williams and of course Lebedev is far better than Danny Williams. Against Lucas Browne Toney hit the deck several times and fell very hard too. Just no coordination whatosever. Here, it really was quite good.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
I was honestly, quite pleasantly surprised as I myself got quite angry after the Browne fight as I thought he gave it away by being bloated. I see this Toney as being quite sharp, but can he sustain it over ten rounds? I'm not sure, so I would like to see him try. He won his two Prizefighter fights IMO and could easily have taken it. Looking at forums most think Toney deserved to progress.
The journey isn't going to end here, Toney needs to be tested and either he can do it or he can't. Getting the weight down is checked, now he just needs to stay active.
Toney is done and needs to retire.
He cant even go 3 rounds against shit opposition let alone 10-12.
Pretty shit Prizefighter last night I thought.
Hate to say it but Audley would have made that more interesting to watch.
I wanna see Joshua in with someone whos gonna hit him back in maybe 3-4 fights time too.
No use to him at all that guy last night infact hitting a punch bag would have been just as good a workout, at least the bag would have swung back.
I like Joshua and think he has some very good tools but fingers crossed he's got a decent chin.
Hopefully we will see him tested sometime next year , I understand he's being fed walkovers but the guy last night was a joke and the worst he's faced so far.
Lets hope Saturday proves more of a test ;-)
Joshua's opponent was complete pony but he went 6 rounds with Hughie Fury the other week, so at least you can judge Joshua with the form of other prospects.
Hector Alfredo Avila is the boxrec opponent for next week. He went 9 rounds with Chisora earlier in the year.
I think it's great Joshua and Luke Campbell are fighting so regular. Big difference to the last lot of Olympians. Five fights in two months instead of five fights in 12 months.
Yeah they are both being kept seriously busy which is good to see.
I really think AJ is streets ahead of what he's been facing so Saturday should answer some questions if he looks good and can get another early KO.
I think LC is one of our to prospects along with Callum Smith , can see both making a huge impact right up at the top level.
Infact I think Smith might be the pick of the lot, what he id with Acosta whos durable and had 2 title xhallenges begind him was superb and he's big at the weight.
Seriously rate Smith and think he's pure class with a great boxing brain.
i like audley in prizefighterQuote:
Originally Posted by smashup
they should have a who can beat audley in prizefighter series
or winner stays on :)
Regarding Toney.
As I said, if Bernard Hopkins was faced with some novices he would probably not get to the final over 3 the rounds format. Toney has always been a slow starter. He pushed Lucas Browne 12 rounds this year while weighing 250lbs. Lucas Browne just beat up Hayes top sarring partner;D
Toney still has something to offer over 12 rounds. Those who haven't boxed don't and say he looked fucked over just 3 rounds, don't realise how much more intense the pace is over those 3 rounds than pacing yourself over 12.
Get a world class marathon runner and ask them to do the 100 or 200 meters. 2 different things. Put Gavern in with Toney over 12 and it would be a different story, even though Toney could have got the nod last night.
Gavern landed a clean left hook on Toney and dropped himself;D
Regarding Joshua. Yes he's looking ok and looking more impressive than Hughie Fury over the same level of opposition but just as Price was he is not learning how to handle any pressure as yet and to be fair he shouldnt have to as hes only had 3 fights. Just remember though how impressive Price was looking before facing someone who doesnt fall over before you go over board in praise.
In fact I think hes going to suffer the same thing as Price in that hes too powerfull and sharp for the likes that hes supposed to learn against and when the time comes to move up, he wont have had any real hard learning fights.
Watching the Toney Gavern fight again, Toney should have got all three rounds. You listen to the commentators and are led to believe that Gavern is doing a lot more. He's missing everything and just pushing Toney in to the ropes. Actually watch it again and Toney is landing all the shots. His still poor balance gives Gaverns shots the look that they are effecting Toney.
Sir, face the facts. Toney is finished, let the guy go, stop fueling his idiocy.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Do you really get any pleasure watching him in the ring, now? Have mercy on the guy, let him fade away.
Price has only had 17 fights in over 4 years. Joshua will be having 5 fights in two months. If Joshua has had only 17 fights in four years time obviously something went badly wrong.
last night was the first time ive seen toney fight when it actually happenedQuote:
Originally Posted by beenKOed
Your not wrong there they seem to be putting him out there every card sofar it won't b long before he gets a tough test Hopfully, matchroom seem to be doing things right for the young olympians turning proQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Toney has some really devoted fans;D He can't do anything to anyone over 12 rounds, if he fights any kind of decent opponent again it's just a question of whether he'll be stopped for the first time, who want's to see that.