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Dark Lord Al
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walrus
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Dark Lord Al
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imp
I just dont believe in evolution.
I dont believe in coming from apes and all that stuff.
Sorry. Imho.
The brain was created imho.
The brain continues to grow and learn new things and adapt to each era but i still believe it was created.
Imho.
You don't believe in evolution ? something that is proven , but you believe in God something that isn't proven ?
I see, interesting, good luck with that one.
When was evolution proven, like I said the fossil record does not support current notions on the subject.
So you haven't seen any evidence of animals evolving and becoming specialised ?
Not in my lifetime and I know my cat would love thumbs but nothing yet
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These people can/will breed.
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Fenster
These people can/will breed.
Say what
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Dark Lord Al
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walrus
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Dark Lord Al
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imp
I just dont believe in evolution.
I dont believe in coming from apes and all that stuff.
Sorry. Imho.
The brain was created imho.
The brain continues to grow and learn new things and adapt to each era but i still believe it was created.
Imho.
You don't believe in evolution ? something that is proven , but you believe in God something that isn't proven ?
I see, interesting, good luck with that one.
When was evolution proven, like I said the fossil record does not support current notions on the subject.
So you haven't seen any evidence of animals evolving and becoming specialised ?
There are alot of skeptics that doubt darwins theory of skulls found that showed evidence of ape/human design.
Some dont believe in God
Some dont believe in evolution
Im the latter.
I do hope we all live forever though and end up living in paradise flying around each other.
Doesnt do any harm in believing there could be another life after this?
Either way, that wont stop me from enjoying this life and when im buried hopefully i get a recall.
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These people can/will breed.
Say what
These people can/will breed.
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Let me clarify, I'm not saying evolution did not happen. I'm just saying it has yet to explain all the unique species on life. To tie it in with God, even if evolution becomes fact it does not negate faith. The perspective of many Christians is humans were created with things nothing else was. Science and religion are not in conflict.The theories on man keep changing. Certain ape like species that man was originally thought to have evolved from where now found to be living alongside man. That has made science go back to the drawing board. Many of us believe much in the bible is allegory. The bible is not a science book, I'm not telling anyone to believe in the bible, I'm just discussing the origins of this post. I have said several times evolution does not conflict with the Christian faith. We were just given something other species have not. If you don't feel we were given things other species have not, fine.
I should say evolution, or so to speak, has been observed at the micro level. That might suggest it happens at the macro level. It is shown evolution does happen within a species. Not long ago the average height for a human was five five. Today it is not. Some some evidence of evolution is there. What is not scientific fact is evolution of life from the primordial ooze. I like to look at all sides of a discussion even though I am debating myself at the moment.
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imp
I just dont believe in evolution.
I dont believe in coming from apes and all that stuff.
Sorry. Imho.
The brain was created imho.
The brain continues to grow and learn new things and adapt to each era but i still believe it was created.
Imho.
But this is where the conversation ends up where it started. Evolution is a fact. Like gravity. It really matters not whether you believe in it or not. The question here really is how much of a role did it play in our development and did something else get involved. I mean "do you believe in God" really means what is the origin of life. For example, perhaps God intervened right about the time we jumped out of the tree.There are all kinds of holes in evolution and avenues unexplained. I wonder why he/she/it made the dolphin brain so big? Those things cant even walk let alone handle a table saw or climb a tree. Yet their cerebral cortex is much larger then ours in relationship to body weight.
I can go along with something else being involved. I mean just the complexity of language and the earth being so damn intricate. Like a single organism. I mean if one really thinks about it the mathematical odds of all of this happening by random chance are really no different then the stories told in religion or specifically Christian. Both are dogmatic and fundamentalist and discussions more often then not generate heat and very little light whatsoever.
I dont believe that at 4 a.m. x billion years ago we crawled out on shore from some Amino acid organic soup.
Nor do I believe that a creator or designer if it exists resembles in any way shape or form the one that is described in the bible or its fundamentalist followers. That God seems to be a man made invention speaking of design.
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Btw watching a doc presently called the Lost Gospels.
Interesting.
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imp
I just dont believe in evolution.
I dont believe in coming from apes and all that stuff.
Sorry. Imho.
The brain was created imho.
The brain continues to grow and learn new things and adapt to each era but i still believe it was created.
Imho.
But this is where the conversation ends up where it started. Evolution is a fact. Like gravity. It really matters not whether you believe in it or not. The question here really is how much of a role did it play in our development and did something else get involved. I mean "do you believe in God" really means what is the origin of life. For example, perhaps God intervened right about the time we jumped out of the tree.There are all kinds of holes in evolution and avenues unexplained. I wonder why he/she/it made the dolphin brain so big? Those things cant even walk let alone handle a table saw or climb a tree. Yet their cerebral cortex is much larger then ours in relationship to body weight.
I can go along with something else being involved. I mean just the complexity of language and the earth being so damn intricate. Like a single organism. I mean if one really thinks about it the mathematical odds of all of this happening by random chance are really no different then the stories told in religion or specifically Christian. Both are dogmatic and fundamentalist and discussions more often then not generate heat and very little light whatsoever.
I dont believe that at 4 a.m. x billion years ago we crawled out on shore from some Amino acid organic soup.
Nor do I believe that a creator or designer if it exists resembles in any way shape or form the one that is described in the bible or its fundamentalist followers. That God seems to be a man made invention speaking of design.
Valid points. Once again I am not trying to preach I just want to address something you referred to. The bible doesn't explain God so to speak. It does attempt to explain Christ, who was part of God but it says over and over our minds can not understand God. None of us claim to be able to understand in its entirety, just bits and pieces. Evolution takes an act of faith to believe in. As I said aspects of it can be observed but not once species evolving into another. Gravity can be explained mathematically so it can be tested but the equation Newton developed was changed by Einstein and Einstein's are now the accepted where Newtons were for hundreds of years.Recently science has found gravity does not act the same in quantum mechanics, once again throwing a wrench in accepted science. Evolution at its core is both fact and theory, using it to explain the start of life can not be proven.
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The only reason Christians countenance evolution is because once again it jumped on its heels and changed the goalposts. It's like the Catholic church suddenly getting into the telescope fad. 'Ooh, we can be hip too'. Half of America statistically denies evolution even exists. And yes, VC, that is supported by polls of your very own populace, so don't get all defensive at the foreigner being critical. Unfortunately, idiots appear to be breeding and immigration checks allow anyone in regardless of rationality, and so even in the UK you have the number of evidence deniers increasing rather than going away. It is a problem.
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walrus
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imp
I just dont believe in evolution.
I dont believe in coming from apes and all that stuff.
Sorry. Imho.
The brain was created imho.
The brain continues to grow and learn new things and adapt to each era but i still believe it was created.
Imho.
But this is where the conversation ends up where it started. Evolution is a fact. Like gravity. It really matters not whether you believe in it or not. The question here really is how much of a role did it play in our development and did something else get involved. I mean "do you believe in God" really means what is the origin of life. For example, perhaps God intervened right about the time we jumped out of the tree.There are all kinds of holes in evolution and avenues unexplained. I wonder why he/she/it made the dolphin brain so big? Those things cant even walk let alone handle a table saw or climb a tree. Yet their cerebral cortex is much larger then ours in relationship to body weight.
I can go along with something else being involved. I mean just the complexity of language and the earth being so damn intricate. Like a single organism. I mean if one really thinks about it the mathematical odds of all of this happening by random chance are really no different then the stories told in religion or specifically Christian. Both are dogmatic and fundamentalist and discussions more often then not generate heat and very little light whatsoever.
I dont believe that at 4 a.m. x billion years ago we crawled out on shore from some Amino acid organic soup.
Nor do I believe that a creator or designer if it exists resembles in any way shape or form the one that is described in the bible or its fundamentalist followers. That God seems to be a man made invention speaking of design.
Valid points. Once again I am not trying to preach I just want to address something you referred to. The bible doesn't explain God so to speak. It does attempt to explain Christ, who was part of God but it says over and over our minds can not understand God. None of us claim to be able to understand in its entirety, just bits and pieces. Evolution takes an act of faith to believe in. As I said aspects of it can be observed but not once species evolving into another. Gravity can be explained mathematically so it can be tested but the equation Newton developed was changed by Einstein and Einstein's are now the accepted where Newtons were for hundreds of years.Recently science has found gravity does not act the same in quantum mechanics, once again throwing a wrench in accepted science. Evolution at its core is both fact and theory, using it to explain the start of life can not be proven.
http://www.atheistmemebase.com/wp-co...evolution1.jpg
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Ha, that's a very funny chart. Also, GB made me laugh earlier in the thread too. You can't beat a God thread to bring out the absurdity which all fine comedy is at heart.
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Galaxy
I don't believe in god
I don't either. One personality created the universe and gives a shit what we do and say on this little crumb of a planet in a massive universe? It just seems too convenient. And too suspiciously like the idea thought up by someone with daddy issues. Which is not to say I wouldn't believe in a god (or gods) if you showed me sufficient evidence. But nobody's ever put forth convincing proof. It's usually New Agey babble when they try.
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one thing is known, we will all find out eventually. The ride on this shit hole does not last forever.
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one thing is known, we will all find out eventually.
Hardly a given. When death comes, it could also be that we just cease finding out about anything. Rather than coming to a realization, we may stop realizing.
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It's coming up to the time, almost 12 months, one night I Believed In God I had drunk a bottle
of Grey goose vodka, and rather ill my my head stuck down the pan, I said GOD NEVER AGAIN.;D
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(I see us like good bugs and bad bugs in a massive system).
A system that we can only see one portion of one part of one eleventh of what is the whole).
Even this question (Do you believe in God) is false in real terms ,its a leading question and stilted in mans self importance because it suggests everything is external, like a God would be a person external and not of the whole thereof (and only male energy).
There ARE eleven dimensions around us which all together make up the twelfth which is part of another whole; live with it.
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Andre didn't I warn you about making sense, stop making sense Damnit. Now back to evolution. None of the intermediate fossils between invertebrates and vertebrates, fish and amphibians or between lower mammals and primates have been found. How do you feel on that, BFF.
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Dawkins is an as whole, use another source. When Richard Dawkins was pressed on where life came from he said we were brought here by aliens. Check it out, he was being interviewed by Ben Stein. He couldn't explain how the Aliens came to be.
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Dawkins is an as whole, use another source. When Richard Dawkins was pressed on where life came from he said we were brought here by aliens. Check it out, he was being interviewed by Ben Stein. He couldn't explain how the Aliens came to be.
Stop it, I saw that, and that's not what he said.
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walrus
Dawkins is an as whole, use another source. When Richard Dawkins was pressed on where life came from he said we were brought here by aliens. Check it out, he was being interviewed by Ben Stein. He couldn't explain how the Aliens came to be.
On where life comes from. It's a fairly loaded question, as no one can provide evidence of it.
The atheist position is that "we can not know". The creationist position is "we have absolute truths".
Do you agree with my statements?
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walrus
Dawkins is an as whole, use another source. When Richard Dawkins was pressed on where life came from he said we were brought here by aliens. Check it out, he was being interviewed by Ben Stein. He couldn't explain how the Aliens came to be.
On where life comes from. It's a fairly loaded question, as no one can provide evidence of it.
The atheist position is that "we can not know". The creationist position is "we have absolute truths".
Do you agree with my statements?
Actually we have been talking only on evolution at this point. Evolution does not explain the beginning of life on the planet. Interspecies evolution has been observed at the micro level so I am not saying evolution as a whole is not.
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walrus
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killersheep
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walrus
Dawkins is an as whole, use another source. When Richard Dawkins was pressed on where life came from he said we were brought here by aliens. Check it out, he was being interviewed by Ben Stein. He couldn't explain how the Aliens came to be.
On where life comes from. It's a fairly loaded question, as no one can provide evidence of it.
The atheist position is that "we can not know". The creationist position is "we have absolute truths".
Do you agree with my statements?
Actually we have been talking only on evolution at this point. Evolution does not explain the beginning of life on the planet. Interspecies evolution has been observed at the micro level so I am not saying evolution as a whole is not.
This all relates, do you agree with the statements I have made?
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killersheep
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walrus
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killersheep
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walrus
Dawkins is an as whole, use another source. When Richard Dawkins was pressed on where life came from he said we were brought here by aliens. Check it out, he was being interviewed by Ben Stein. He couldn't explain how the Aliens came to be.
On where life comes from. It's a fairly loaded question, as no one can provide evidence of it.
The atheist position is that "we can not know". The creationist position is "we have absolute truths".
Do you agree with my statements?
Actually we have been talking only on evolution at this point. Evolution does not explain the beginning of life on the planet. Interspecies evolution has been observed at the micro level so I am not saying evolution as a whole is not.
This all relates, do you agree with the statements I have made?
In the past couple pages I wrote several posts on the subject. Don't forgot, evolution do feel they know how life was treated. Just a bunch of stuff from the primordial ooze created a single cell organism that evolved into the millions of plants and animals that we recognize today. So evolutionist feel they have proved where life has come from, so you are asking me to answer a question with false logic behind it.
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walrus
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killersheep
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walrus
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killersheep
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walrus
Dawkins is an as whole, use another source. When Richard Dawkins was pressed on where life came from he said we were brought here by aliens. Check it out, he was being interviewed by Ben Stein. He couldn't explain how the Aliens came to be.
On where life comes from. It's a fairly loaded question, as no one can provide evidence of it.
The atheist position is that "we can not know". The creationist position is "we have absolute truths".
Do you agree with my statements?
Actually we have been talking only on evolution at this point. Evolution does not explain the beginning of life on the planet. Interspecies evolution has been observed at the micro level so I am not saying evolution as a whole is not.
This all relates, do you agree with the statements I have made?
In the past couple pages I wrote several posts on the subject. Don't forgot, evolution do feel they know how life was treated. Just a bunch of stuff from the primordial ooze created a single cell organism that evolved into the millions of plants and animals that we recognize today. So evolutionist feel they have proved where life has come from, so you are king me to answer a question with false logic behind it.
We can not know, because we haven't reproduced it in a lab and it doesn't leave identifiable remains. While signs point to a conclusion, the fact of the matter is we can not know, we can only infer. Unlike the fossil record which is well documented.
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Even if you believe in the miracles, the virgin birth, the resurrection etc that doesn't mean that Gods word is right.
The bible condones slavery, treats woman as less than men & is full of contradictions
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That is part of my discussion on evolution. But evolutionists are sure it was just a chance occurrence of amino acids etc coming together kind of like a tornado going through a junk yard and assembling a Boeing 747
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That is part of my discussion on evolution. But evolutionists are sure it was just a chance occurrence of amino acids etc coming together kind of like a tornado going through a junk yard and assembling a Boeing 747
So where's your proof that God created the universe?
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That is part of my discussion on evolution. But evolutionists are sure it was just a chance occurrence of amino acids etc coming together kind of like a tornado going through a junk yard and assembling a Boeing 747
No, now you are misrepresenting the view. Many postulations are there, from atmospheric conditions, to cosmological interference such as an asteroid, or simply by chance. The theory points to an abiogenisis moment, but we can not know the means.......what caused life. It exists because it fits the model.
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and what model is that. Are there opposing models. Does the model you mention explain RNA and DNA which are a species directions. Was that created by atmospheric interference. prior you said it can't be known now a model explains it
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and what model is that. Are there opposing models. Does the model you mention explain RNA and DNA which are a species directions. Was that created by atmospheric interference.
I am well familiar with DNA and rDNA I did take high school biology. What I said was we can not know what started life on earth. We can come up with ideas that fit the model, but we can not provide evidence.
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The theory of evolution says it proves it. I disagree
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The theory of evolution says it proves it. I disagree
The theory of evolution says it exists, but can not define it with certainty other than "it must have happened" we can not know what caused life and the theory of evolution doesn't claim to. As I said there are ways the are posited, but nothing that is confirmed to the point we can say this is definitely the way it happened.
We can not know.
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I believe in spiritual parents. God being the father and Nature the mother. I believe in faith and luck, positioning and relocating, i believe in life of my surroundings and everything working in gear determining scenarios. Most importantly, I believe in myself!
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The theory of evolution says it proves it. I disagree
The theory of evolution says it exists, but can not define it with certainty other than "it must have happened" we can not know what caused life and the theory of evolution doesn't claim to. As I said there are ways the are posited, but nothing that is confirmed to the point we can say this is definitely the way it happened.
We can not know.
You need to go back and review evolution
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walrus
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walrus
The theory of evolution says it proves it. I disagree
The theory of evolution says it exists, but can not define it with certainty other than "it must have happened" we can not know what caused life and the theory of evolution doesn't claim to. As I said there are ways the are posited, but nothing that is confirmed to the point we can say this is definitely the way it happened.
We can not know.
You need to go back and review evolution
Actually I don't, you need to reassess your understanding of the theory because your understanding is flawed.
