Carl Frampton was outstanding.
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Carl Frampton was outstanding.
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Thurman and Tete advance in the ratings.
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Kovalev was damaging
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Thanks Lineal, I look forward to this after every weekend fight. I think you have addressed this but why do you still have Ward as the champ.
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Although I agree that Wards inactivity is frustrating and not ideal, he did earn his championships in the ring. Stripping a champion should be a last resort and my ratings policy has already been established. I do intend to review the inactivity clause for champions in the near future but I feel it would be unfair to implement any changes at this time for the sole purpose of avoiding an uncomfortable situation.Quote:
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Thanks Walrus, I appreciate the support. I posted this reply to Master a week or so ago, I do have changes to implement to my Ratings Policy but am holding off for the time being.Quote:
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Braehmer was devastating with his left.
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Linares v Mitchell may be next.
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Can't wait to see your featherweight ratings :D
Gary Russell Jr lived up to his potential.
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Do you know how many people are following you on word press, I just signed up.
Walters must be the champion at featherweight?
Not many on Wordpress, not sure how many boxing fans are on there. Between that, Twitter, Google Plus and Facebook I think it's around 60 altogether but growing weekly. Thanks I really appreciate you taking the time to follow and please spread the word.Quote:
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No, number's one and two need to fight to fill a vacant championship, in certain extreme situations a fight between one and three maybe considered. When Walter's fought Donarie neither was ranked in the top three.Quote:
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At this stage a fight between Walters (#1) and Gradovich (#2) would fill the vacancy.
If Gradovich were to lose to Selby; Lomachenko would more than likely move to number #2 meaning Walters and Lomachenko would need to fight for the vacant championship.
Thanks again to everyone on this site for all the support, I read and post in many other thread on this forum and take note of many of the valuable and knowledgeable opinions from its users.
Beterbiev is a beast.
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Roman Martinez performed superbly.
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So did McWilliams Arroyo, fighting on the same card. ;D ;D
That was a great left hook that drop Ruiz. But Arroyo wasn't fighting a ranked guy. Martinez defeated a ranked guy and forced his way back into the ratings.Quote:
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So did McWilliams Arroyo, fighting on the same card. ;D ;D
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Originally Posted by LinealThat was a great left hook that drop Ruiz. But Arroyo wasn't fighting a ranked guy. Martinez defeated a ranked guy and forced his way back into the ratings.Quote:
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So did McWilliams Arroyo, fighting on the same card. ;D ;D
True. McWilliams' ceiling might be higher than Martinez's, though. Arroyo dropped a narrow decision to Amnat Ruenroeng in Thailand in the fight before this one, and I think he's (Arroyo) got the goods. I think Ruiz was a last-minute substitution for the guy Arroyo was originally supposed to fight, plus he wasn't ranked, as you say. I think Arroyo bursts his way into the rankings pretty soon, though.
The win kept Martinez relevant after inactivity and his previous bout at Lightweight. McWilliams is already rated.Quote:
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So did McWilliams Arroyo, fighting on the same card. ;D ;D
True. McWilliams' ceiling might be higher than Martinez's, though. Arroyo dropped a narrow decision to Amnat Ruenroeng in Thailand in the fight before this one, and I think he's (Arroyo) got the goods. I think Ruiz was a last-minute substitution for the guy Arroyo was originally supposed to fight, plus he wasn't ranked, as you say. I think Arroyo bursts his way into the rankings pretty soon, though.
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Matthysse and Crawford both emerged victorious.
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Isn't Crawford the best lightweight in the world now? Just looked he fought at super lightweight.
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Badou Jack resurrected his career recording his best victory to date.
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Floyd Mayweather Jr proved himself the better boxer at the weekend.
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Floyd was the best welterweight anyway I think at light middle he might not fight there again anyway.
Gennady Golovkin put on another big drama show.
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15 months is better than 18 months so I assume Ward can be dropped from light heavy because he never should have been champ there.
Ward will remain Champion at 175. The update came into effect on 20 May 2015, before that a champion was given 18 months to schedule a fight. Ward had scheduled his fight with Smith before 17 May 2015 so was within the time frame.Quote:
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Ward beat the previous Champion under the weight limit, there is no minimum weight a fighter must weigh in at; so if the fight is under the weight division limit then the title is on the line.
Dawson was not at his championship weight so his title should not be on the line. Stevenson took it from him and is the rightful owner.Quote:
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Ward beat the previous Champion under the weight limit, there is no minimum weight a fighter must weigh in at; so if the fight is under the weight division limit then the title is on the line.
Here's a few examples from history:
4/24/31- World Lightweight and World Junior Welterweight Titles- World Lightweight Champion Tony Canzoneri/World Junior Welterweight Champion Jackie "Kid" Berg- Limit- 135; Canzoneri weighed in at 132; Berg at 134 1/4; Winner- Canzoneri KO-3
9/10/31- World Lightweight and World Junior welterweight Titles- Champion Tony Canzoneri/Challenger Jackie "Kid" Berg- Limit- 135; (weights not available); Winner- Canzoneri UD 15
11/20/31- World Lightweight and World Junior Welterweight Titles- Champion Tony Canzoneri/Challenger Kid Chocolate- Limit- *135; (weights not available); Winner- Canzoneri SD 15 (*- Note: Had Canzoneri made the 130-pound limit, which he didn't, he would have been awarded Kid Chocolate's World Junior Lightweight title. That would have made Canzoneri, a former World Featherweight champion, boxing's first four-divisional champion.)
6/23/33- World Lightweight and World Junior Welterweight Titles- Champion Tony Canzoneri/Challenger Barney Ross- Limit- 135; Canzoneri weighed in at 133 1/2; Ross at 134 3/4; Winner- Ross MD 10
9/12/33- World Lightweight and World Junior Welterweight Titles- Champion Barney Ross/Challenger Tony Canzoneri- Limit- 135; Ross weighed in at 135; Canzoneri at 133 1/2; Winner- Ross SD 15
3/16/39- World Lightweight and World Welterweight Titles- Champion Henry Armstrong/Challenger Lew Feldman- Limit- 135; Armstrong weighed in at 135; Feldman at 134; Winner- Armstrong KO-1
An interesting fact, Armstrong should have lost the lightweight and welterweight championships to Lou Ambers in August 1939, both weighed in under 135. The officiating was horrible but we have to respect the official decision even if we don't agree with it.
My policy is pretty clear, if a champion fights under his championship weight then the title is on the line. When you start picking and choosing and muddying the waters it becomes no better than the alphabet boys. Or you get situations like Judah or Peterson holding belts they should have lost.
All examples in 1930's? Coincidence?
No coincidence, it's just not that common. You can add in Leonard/ LaLonde, Mayweather/ Maidana both fights and now Mayweather/ Pacquiao.
You have to have two champions from different divisions willing to face each other, with the higher weight holder willing to weigh under the lighter division limit. Normally a fighter wants every advantage possible so dual weight championship fights are rare.
Those examples were to show that even though Dawson was not at his championship weight his title was on the line.
Also the Light-heavy linage is pretty messy but you could make a case that it leads back to Ward.
Michalczewski-Gonzalez-Erdei-Grachev-Rodriguez-Ward.
I consider Ward to rightful Light-Heavyweight Champion.
James DeGale won a close but career best victory.
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Selby was fantastic.
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Selby did great and you have him in the right place.
Where is Froch from you supermiddle list, Ward has been more inactive?
Froch has been inactive for over a year. A Champion previously had 18 months to schedule a fight. Ward scheduled his bout with Smith before the 16th of May.Quote:
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The inactivity clause was recently amended, a ranked fighter has 12 months to schedule a fight under their division limit, a Champion has 15 months to schedule a fight under their division limit.
Thanks again as always @Master I really appreciate the support and feedback.
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That is harsh on Froch when Ward has not fought even a longer time.
It may seem a little harsh, but the Policy rules need to be consistent. A ranked fighter needs to schedule a fight under their weight division limit within 12 months, a Champion now has 15 months (previously 18 months, amended 20th May 2015) to schedule a fight under their weight division limit.Quote:
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It's harsh on a guy like Viktor Postol, who although active with 12 months had not scheduled a bout under the 140 limit within a year, so was removed.
But hey if Froch decides to continue fighting and decides to take on Golovkin or DeGale, then a victory would more than likely secure him the top spot.
Miguel Cotto defended his Championship for the first time.
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