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So it's settled.
Tito never fought 3 HOFers and he's a scratch above being a one dimensional fighter.
@Master - Carr who? Vargas PED user. Reid was more committed to being a pirate than a fighter.
Oh! ...and Floyd Mayweather Jr. TBE ATG P4P#1 PPV#1&2!
Thank you for responding, even if it is all garbage.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Vargas is HOF.
The PPV numbers will be beat. ;)
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Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Ok..... NOW it's settled.
One thing I've concluded, though. As with Batman, when Trinidad took Oscar's "0".........
he must've psychologically reamed your own "0".
How else to explain the hate.....
I specifically said DON'T say Oscar. He didn't beat Oscar.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by VG_AddictIn other words, you can't name any HOFers Trinidad beat.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
Of course you can find this information yourself, since you can probably read..... but I'll humor your ignorant ass just this once just so there's no hard feelings, ok?
Who did Vargas beat before fighting Trinidad?
How about Raul Marquez, Winky Wright, Ike Quartey, Campas.
Oh..... but those aren't worth shit either, right kid?
Who did Vargas beat after fighting Trinidad?
Answer: Nobody of note. Probably 'cause he got ruined by Trinidad.
Following me so far?
Following.......... me.............. so.............. far?
Who did Campas beat before fighting Trinidad?
Probably nobody you ever heard of.
He was "only" 56-0 at the time..... but he was probably just a bum anyway, right?
He did knockout Raul Marquez a couple of years later and went on to have a pretty decent career, but who cares, right?
He's still a bum.
Carr?
Another bum.
He was "only" 32-0 when he fought Trinidad, but who cares?
Everybody knew he was no good.
Get my drift here?
We can play these games all night, except you're probably in bed by now, I guess.
Tomorrow after recess, you can respond with some nifty comebacker and we'll all laugh at your wit.
On the other hand, if you've got nothing constructive or factual to say, then just STFU.
Thanks for finally admitting that.
Two pages ago, I mentioned he beat Camacho and De La Hoya.
Admittedly, I didn't write it in crayon, so I doubt you could've read it.
Looks like you can't even follow simple instructions.
What PRIME HOFers did Trinidad beat? That leaves out Camacho and Whitaker.
That is true, they were past it. Whitaker was WELL past it and in a real bad way with the cocaine use.Quote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
Tito was what he was: a GREAT puncher and a good boxer who brought a lot of excitement to the masses and was in some massive fights.
He came up against some really slick guys - DLH, Winky, B-Hop - and he didn't have the ring IQ to crack those puzzles. But I don't think there is any shame in losing to those guys.
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Originally Posted by VG_AddictI specifically said DON'T say Oscar. He didn't beat Oscar.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by VG_AddictIn other words, you can't name any HOFers Trinidad beat.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
Of course you can find this information yourself, since you can probably read..... but I'll humor your ignorant ass just this once just so there's no hard feelings, ok?
Who did Vargas beat before fighting Trinidad?
How about Raul Marquez, Winky Wright, Ike Quartey, Campas.
Oh..... but those aren't worth shit either, right kid?
Who did Vargas beat after fighting Trinidad?
Answer: Nobody of note. Probably 'cause he got ruined by Trinidad.
Following me so far?
Following.......... me.............. so.............. far?
Who did Campas beat before fighting Trinidad?
Probably nobody you ever heard of.
He was "only" 56-0 at the time..... but he was probably just a bum anyway, right?
He did knockout Raul Marquez a couple of years later and went on to have a pretty decent career, but who cares, right?
He's still a bum.
Carr?
Another bum.
He was "only" 32-0 when he fought Trinidad, but who cares?
Everybody knew he was no good.
Get my drift here?
We can play these games all night, except you're probably in bed by now, I guess.
Tomorrow after recess, you can respond with some nifty comebacker and we'll all laugh at your wit.
On the other hand, if you've got nothing constructive or factual to say, then just STFU.
Thanks for finally admitting that.
Two pages ago, I mentioned he beat Camacho and De La Hoya.
Admittedly, I didn't write it in crayon, so I doubt you could've read it.
Looks like you can't even follow simple instructions.
What PRIME HOFers did Trinidad beat? That leaves out Camacho and Whitaker.
The question was how many HOF'ers has Trinidad beaten.
Now YOU'RE the one qualifying the questions.
"I specifically said..."??!?
Who the f*ck gave YOU a badge?
That may work at your kindergarten class... but not here.
That being said.... both you... AND your instructions.... can go back to taking it up your poop hole.
Have a nice day.
Now.... I've SPECIFICALLY told you to go f*ck yourself.
I hope you can follow THOSE simple instructions.
;)
I should be more understanding of the haters' frustration.....
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I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerThat is true, they were past it. Whitaker was WELL past it and in a real bad way with the cocaine use.Quote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
Tito was what he was: a GREAT puncher and a good boxer who brought a lot of excitement to the masses and was in some massive fights.
He came up against some really slick guys - DLH, Winky, B-Hop - and he didn't have the ring IQ to crack those puzzles. But I don't think there is any shame in losing to those guys.
Titofan -- don't bury your head in the sand just because your hero has been proven to be a little less than you believed. He lost to truly great fighters. No shame in that.
Carr, Vargas, and Mayorga aren't HOFers.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by VG_AddictI specifically said DON'T say Oscar. He didn't beat Oscar.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by VG_AddictIn other words, you can't name any HOFers Trinidad beat.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
Of course you can find this information yourself, since you can probably read..... but I'll humor your ignorant ass just this once just so there's no hard feelings, ok?
Who did Vargas beat before fighting Trinidad?
How about Raul Marquez, Winky Wright, Ike Quartey, Campas.
Oh..... but those aren't worth shit either, right kid?
Who did Vargas beat after fighting Trinidad?
Answer: Nobody of note. Probably 'cause he got ruined by Trinidad.
Following me so far?
Following.......... me.............. so.............. far?
Who did Campas beat before fighting Trinidad?
Probably nobody you ever heard of.
He was "only" 56-0 at the time..... but he was probably just a bum anyway, right?
He did knockout Raul Marquez a couple of years later and went on to have a pretty decent career, but who cares, right?
He's still a bum.
Carr?
Another bum.
He was "only" 32-0 when he fought Trinidad, but who cares?
Everybody knew he was no good.
Get my drift here?
We can play these games all night, except you're probably in bed by now, I guess.
Tomorrow after recess, you can respond with some nifty comebacker and we'll all laugh at your wit.
On the other hand, if you've got nothing constructive or factual to say, then just STFU.
Thanks for finally admitting that.
Two pages ago, I mentioned he beat Camacho and De La Hoya.
Admittedly, I didn't write it in crayon, so I doubt you could've read it.
Looks like you can't even follow simple instructions.
What PRIME HOFers did Trinidad beat? That leaves out Camacho and Whitaker.
The question was how many HOF'ers has Trinidad beaten.
Now YOU'RE the one qualifying the questions.
"I specifically said..."??!?
Who the f*ck gave YOU a badge?
That may work at your kindergarten class... but not here.
That being said.... both you... AND your instructions.... can go back to taking it up your poop hole.
Have a nice day.
We already established that Camacho and Whitaker were shot by the time Trinidad fought them.
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Originally Posted by VG_AddictCarr, Vargas, and Mayorga aren't HOFers.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by VG_AddictI specifically said DON'T say Oscar. He didn't beat Oscar.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by VG_AddictIn other words, you can't name any HOFers Trinidad beat.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
Of course you can find this information yourself, since you can probably read..... but I'll humor your ignorant ass just this once just so there's no hard feelings, ok?
Who did Vargas beat before fighting Trinidad?
How about Raul Marquez, Winky Wright, Ike Quartey, Campas.
Oh..... but those aren't worth shit either, right kid?
Who did Vargas beat after fighting Trinidad?
Answer: Nobody of note. Probably 'cause he got ruined by Trinidad.
Following me so far?
Following.......... me.............. so.............. far?
Who did Campas beat before fighting Trinidad?
Probably nobody you ever heard of.
He was "only" 56-0 at the time..... but he was probably just a bum anyway, right?
He did knockout Raul Marquez a couple of years later and went on to have a pretty decent career, but who cares, right?
He's still a bum.
Carr?
Another bum.
He was "only" 32-0 when he fought Trinidad, but who cares?
Everybody knew he was no good.
Get my drift here?
We can play these games all night, except you're probably in bed by now, I guess.
Tomorrow after recess, you can respond with some nifty comebacker and we'll all laugh at your wit.
On the other hand, if you've got nothing constructive or factual to say, then just STFU.
Thanks for finally admitting that.
Two pages ago, I mentioned he beat Camacho and De La Hoya.
Admittedly, I didn't write it in crayon, so I doubt you could've read it.
Looks like you can't even follow simple instructions.
What PRIME HOFers did Trinidad beat? That leaves out Camacho and Whitaker.
The question was how many HOF'ers has Trinidad beaten.
Now YOU'RE the one qualifying the questions.
"I specifically said..."??!?
Who the f*ck gave YOU a badge?
That may work at your kindergarten class... but not here.
That being said.... both you... AND your instructions.... can go back to taking it up your poop hole.
Have a nice day.
We already established that Camacho and Whitaker were shot by the time Trinidad fought them.
Even more shot when DLH got the nerve enough to fight them.
They're still HOF'ers.
What part of that do you not understand?
These are "yes" or "no" questions:
Are De La Hoya, Camacho, and Whitaker in the Boxing HOF?
Answer: Yes
Did Felix Trinidad beat each one of them?
Answer: Yes
Given "a" and "b"... is it true that Trinidad beat Boxing HOF'ers?
Answer: Yes
Tomorrow we'll review basic arithmetic and social studies.
Whitaker was even more shot when Oscar fought him? You do know that Oscar fought Whitaker BEFORE Trinidad, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by VG_AddictCarr, Vargas, and Mayorga aren't HOFers.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by VG_AddictI specifically said DON'T say Oscar. He didn't beat Oscar.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by VG_AddictIn other words, you can't name any HOFers Trinidad beat.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
Of course you can find this information yourself, since you can probably read..... but I'll humor your ignorant ass just this once just so there's no hard feelings, ok?
Who did Vargas beat before fighting Trinidad?
How about Raul Marquez, Winky Wright, Ike Quartey, Campas.
Oh..... but those aren't worth shit either, right kid?
Who did Vargas beat after fighting Trinidad?
Answer: Nobody of note. Probably 'cause he got ruined by Trinidad.
Following me so far?
Following.......... me.............. so.............. far?
Who did Campas beat before fighting Trinidad?
Probably nobody you ever heard of.
He was "only" 56-0 at the time..... but he was probably just a bum anyway, right?
He did knockout Raul Marquez a couple of years later and went on to have a pretty decent career, but who cares, right?
He's still a bum.
Carr?
Another bum.
He was "only" 32-0 when he fought Trinidad, but who cares?
Everybody knew he was no good.
Get my drift here?
We can play these games all night, except you're probably in bed by now, I guess.
Tomorrow after recess, you can respond with some nifty comebacker and we'll all laugh at your wit.
On the other hand, if you've got nothing constructive or factual to say, then just STFU.
Thanks for finally admitting that.
Two pages ago, I mentioned he beat Camacho and De La Hoya.
Admittedly, I didn't write it in crayon, so I doubt you could've read it.
Looks like you can't even follow simple instructions.
What PRIME HOFers did Trinidad beat? That leaves out Camacho and Whitaker.
The question was how many HOF'ers has Trinidad beaten.
Now YOU'RE the one qualifying the questions.
"I specifically said..."??!?
Who the f*ck gave YOU a badge?
That may work at your kindergarten class... but not here.
That being said.... both you... AND your instructions.... can go back to taking it up your poop hole.
Have a nice day.
We already established that Camacho and Whitaker were shot by the time Trinidad fought them.
Even more shot when DLH got the nerve enough to fight them.
They're still HOF'ers.
What part of that do you not understand?
These are "yes" or "no" questions:
Are De La Hoya, Camacho, and Whitaker in the Boxing HOF?
Answer: Yes
Did Felix Trinidad beat each one of them?
Answer: Yes
Given "a" and "b"... is it true that Trinidad beat Boxing HOF'ers?
Answer: Yes
Tomorrow we'll review basic arithmetic and social studies.
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Originally Posted by VG_AddictWhitaker was even more shot when Oscar fought him? You do know that Oscar fought Whitaker BEFORE Trinidad, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by VG_AddictCarr, Vargas, and Mayorga aren't HOFers.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by VG_AddictI specifically said DON'T say Oscar. He didn't beat Oscar.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by VG_AddictIn other words, you can't name any HOFers Trinidad beat.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
Of course you can find this information yourself, since you can probably read..... but I'll humor your ignorant ass just this once just so there's no hard feelings, ok?
Who did Vargas beat before fighting Trinidad?
How about Raul Marquez, Winky Wright, Ike Quartey, Campas.
Oh..... but those aren't worth shit either, right kid?
Who did Vargas beat after fighting Trinidad?
Answer: Nobody of note. Probably 'cause he got ruined by Trinidad.
Following me so far?
Following.......... me.............. so.............. far?
Who did Campas beat before fighting Trinidad?
Probably nobody you ever heard of.
He was "only" 56-0 at the time..... but he was probably just a bum anyway, right?
He did knockout Raul Marquez a couple of years later and went on to have a pretty decent career, but who cares, right?
He's still a bum.
Carr?
Another bum.
He was "only" 32-0 when he fought Trinidad, but who cares?
Everybody knew he was no good.
Get my drift here?
We can play these games all night, except you're probably in bed by now, I guess.
Tomorrow after recess, you can respond with some nifty comebacker and we'll all laugh at your wit.
On the other hand, if you've got nothing constructive or factual to say, then just STFU.
Thanks for finally admitting that.
Two pages ago, I mentioned he beat Camacho and De La Hoya.
Admittedly, I didn't write it in crayon, so I doubt you could've read it.
Looks like you can't even follow simple instructions.
What PRIME HOFers did Trinidad beat? That leaves out Camacho and Whitaker.
The question was how many HOF'ers has Trinidad beaten.
Now YOU'RE the one qualifying the questions.
"I specifically said..."??!?
Who the f*ck gave YOU a badge?
That may work at your kindergarten class... but not here.
That being said.... both you... AND your instructions.... can go back to taking it up your poop hole.
Have a nice day.
We already established that Camacho and Whitaker were shot by the time Trinidad fought them.
Even more shot when DLH got the nerve enough to fight them.
They're still HOF'ers.
What part of that do you not understand?
These are "yes" or "no" questions:
Are De La Hoya, Camacho, and Whitaker in the Boxing HOF?
Answer: Yes
Did Felix Trinidad beat each one of them?
Answer: Yes
Given "a" and "b"... is it true that Trinidad beat Boxing HOF'ers?
Answer: Yes
Tomorrow we'll review basic arithmetic and social studies.
I'll own up to that one. The lone exception in the career of Trinidad and DLH. Otherwise, the pattern is clear and established. So Whitaker was shot when both DLH and Trinidad fought him. It happens. He got into the ring, so obviously he thought he was competitive. There's roughly half dozen other cases where it was the other way around (Trinidad finishes them off..... DLH gets the scraps).
Why is Vargas not a HoFamer?
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Originally Posted by Master
He's probably borderline and could still be inducted at some point.
By the time of his first world championship he won all his 14 bouts by knockout. He won his first world title in 1998, knocking out Yori Boy Campas in seven rounds for the IBF light middleweight championship. Vargas successfully defended the title throughout 1999, with victories over Howard Clarke (TKO 4), Raúl Márquez (TKO 11), Winky Wright (MD 12), and Ike Quartey (UD 12).Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
He's probably borderline and could still be inducted at some point.
Vargas lost the title to Félix Trinidad in 2000. Vargas was knocked down twice in the first round, he was able to fight his way back by knocking down Trinidad in the fourth round until finally being knocked out in the 12th and final round.
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I liked Vargas very much. He was very exciting!Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBy the time of his first world championship he won all his 14 bouts by knockout. He won his first world title in 1998, knocking out Yori Boy Campas in seven rounds for the IBF light middleweight championship. Vargas successfully defended the title throughout 1999, with victories over Howard Clarke (TKO 4), Raúl Márquez (TKO 11), Winky Wright (MD 12), and Ike Quartey (UD 12).Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
He's probably borderline and could still be inducted at some point.
Vargas lost the title to Félix Trinidad in 2000. Vargas was knocked down twice in the first round, he was able to fight his way back by knocking down Trinidad in the fourth round until finally being knocked out in the 12th and final round.
He said Tito's punches felt like rocks hitting him(hand wraps anyone?).
But then he got busted for PEDs and he lost a bit of lustre for me.
I'm of the opinion that it's not often that the time you get caught cheating is likely to be the first time you cheated... So I don't really know what to make of Vargas and Trinidad for this reason.
That is the real Rocco I know! Vargas was a brilliant fighter, I think he got caught against Oscar. Vargas did have alcohol and drug issues which shortened his career but I think it was recreational drug use, like Tyson, not PED. Except for the Oscar fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoI liked Vargas very much. He was very exciting!Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBy the time of his first world championship he won all his 14 bouts by knockout. He won his first world title in 1998, knocking out Yori Boy Campas in seven rounds for the IBF light middleweight championship. Vargas successfully defended the title throughout 1999, with victories over Howard Clarke (TKO 4), Raúl Márquez (TKO 11), Winky Wright (MD 12), and Ike Quartey (UD 12).Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
He's probably borderline and could still be inducted at some point.
Vargas lost the title to Félix Trinidad in 2000. Vargas was knocked down twice in the first round, he was able to fight his way back by knocking down Trinidad in the fourth round until finally being knocked out in the 12th and final round.
He said Tito's punches felt like rocks hitting him(hand wraps anyone?).
But then he got busted for PEDs and he lost a bit of lustre for me.
I'm of the opinion that it's not often that the time you get caught cheating is likely to be the first time you cheated... So I don't really know what to make of Vargas and Trinidad for this reason.
What if Floyd fought Alexander? Who would have won?
Fernando Vargas was a bad man in his time for sure.
Fernando Vargas would beat Floyd who would not dare go up in weight to fight him.
Vargas would beat Canelo.
There I said it.
Vargas would've beaten the crap out of Canelo... that's for sure.
Vargas would also destroy Floyd, too small and lightweight. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Vargas would also murder my 6 year old niece, too small and cuddly.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterVargas would also destroy Floyd, too small and lightweight. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
I am being serious! You take me seriously!Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoVargas would also murder my 6 year old niece, too small and cuddly.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterVargas would also destroy Floyd, too small and lightweight. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Fernando Vargas IS NOT MAYWEATHER CLASS! Easy win for Floyd.
Canelo vs Vargas... hmmm... toss up for me.
This is why you know nothing about boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Vargas that won the title at his peak which was for a short amount of time beats Floyd and he would not dare take on the man like he did Canelo.
VARGAS IS NOT MAYWEATHER CLASS :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Class is one thing, weight is another. If they fought at light middle, Vargas wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerVARGAS IS NOT MAYWEATHER CLASS :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Lopez had more class than Tyson but no way would he beat him. :)
Floyd overcomes weight disadvantages every time he fights.
Child please... :rolleyes:
You believe that bollocks. You really have your tongue firmly up Floyds ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Rocco, tell bean flicker, prime Vargas beats Floyd.
Of course I believe it, I have the documented proof.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterYou believe that bollocks. You really have your tongue firmly up Floyds ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Rocco, tell bean flicker, prime Vargas beats Floyd.
One simply needs to look at the unofficial weights to realize how much weight Floyd gives up each fight.
Canelo had about 25lbs or more on him when they fought, and Floyd spanked him like a red headed Mexican stepchild. And that's REAL talk.
The fight was closer than you think and if an old Oscar nearly beat Floyd at light middle what do you think a peak Vargas would do? Also a peak Oscar, that beat Vargas would smash pretty boys features as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerOf course I believe it, I have the documented proof.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterYou believe that bollocks. You really have your tongue firmly up Floyds ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Rocco, tell bean flicker, prime Vargas beats Floyd.
One simply needs to look at the unofficial weights to realize how much weight Floyd gives up each fight.
Canelo had about 25lbs or more on him when they fought, and Floyd spanked him like a red headed Mexican stepchild. And that's REAL talk.
a) No it wasn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
b) An old Oscar didn't nearly beat Floyd.
The people who think that fight was close are the same people who thought Tito beat Oscar, aka mofos who can't score a fight.
And that's what's up!
You know sweet FA about boxing. Official saddo fact. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflickera) No it wasn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
b) An old Oscar didn't nearly beat Floyd.
The people who think that fight was close are the same people who thought Tito beat Oscar, aka mofos who can't score a fight.
And that's what's up!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
WTF are you smoking? Even Floyd's dad thought Oscar won the fight.
Yes..... that tongue is firmly wedged up in there.
When Titofan and CJRoss are siding with you, you know you're fucked! @Master... Hahahhaha!
Or if Beanflicker is backing you, you know you are wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
@ruthless rocco can you confirm that a prime Vargas would beat Floyd at light middleweight please?
P4P... Prime for prime at the same weight... Floyd beats Vargas all day.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterOr if Beanflicker is backing you, you know you are wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
@ruthless rocco can you confirm that a prime Vargas would beat Floyd at light middleweight please?