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Re: August 26, 1975 ~ 'Press Conference' ~ Ali Tries To Make Gorilla Out Of Joe Frazi
What is overlooked here is that Ali's insults were mostly childish, prank-like. Countless fighters since then, and nowadays, say much worse things. But we conveniently forget because we're too busy attacking Ali, who has long since become something of an elder statesman, loved and respected by many.
What about Margarito and Rios making fun of Roach's Parkinson's disease. I think this is ten times worse than waving a toy gorilla at Frazier. What about Tyson telling Lewis he was going to eat his children? What about everything that comes out of Broner's mouth?
I think we've lost a little perspective here.
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Re: August 26, 1975 ~ 'Press Conference' ~ Ali Tries To Make Gorilla Out Of Joe Frazi
This sums up everything you need to know about Cassius.
http://cache3.asset-cache.net/gc/136...PjyTUwPQ%3D%3D
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Re: August 26, 1975 ~ 'Press Conference' ~ Ali Tries To Make Gorilla Out Of Joe Frazi
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Master
Ali said this....
Ali did that...
Grow up ffs!
I'm not an Ali hater, I do see him as an atg, love watching him on YouTube. He was a master at the prehype fight but I do think his treatment of Frazier was shameful. How did he get blacks to believe Frazier was fighting for the white establishment. I've said before Bryant Gumble wrote a book titled Joe Frazier, white fighter in a black man's body. Gumble, who I really like now says he regrets doing it but says it was easy to get caught up in that at the time. Sure Tyson, Broner and others say stupid things but Ali took it where it didn't need to go.
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Re: August 26, 1975 ~ 'Press Conference' ~ Ali Tries To Make Gorilla Out Of Joe Frazi
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
What is overlooked here is that Ali's insults were mostly childish, prank-like. Countless fighters since then, and nowadays, say much worse things. But we conveniently forget because we're too busy attacking Ali, who has long since become something of an elder statesman, loved and respected by many.
What about Margarito and Rios making fun of Roach's Parkinson's disease. I think this is ten times worse than waving a toy gorilla at Frazier. What about Tyson telling Lewis he was going to eat his children? What about everything that comes out of Broner's mouth?
I think we've lost a little perspective here.
Seems like it started with Ali, doesn't it. Another strike against the disrespectful prick.
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Re: August 26, 1975 ~ 'Press Conference' ~ Ali Tries To Make Gorilla Out Of Joe Frazi
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Originally Posted by
beenKOed
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
What is overlooked here is that Ali's insults were mostly childish, prank-like. Countless fighters since then, and nowadays, say much worse things. But we conveniently forget because we're too busy attacking Ali, who has long since become something of an elder statesman, loved and respected by many.
What about Margarito and Rios making fun of Roach's Parkinson's disease. I think this is ten times worse than waving a toy gorilla at Frazier. What about Tyson telling Lewis he was going to eat his children? What about everything that comes out of Broner's mouth?
I think we've lost a little perspective here.
Seems like it started with Ali, doesn't it. Another strike against the disrespectful prick.
The perspective of a hater is always going to be a little skewed with respect to reality. But hey.... you're entitled to your opinion, no matter how skewed. After all......
"Look, I am going to make this simple for you. I respect Ali for being a great fighter, because he was! I also have a deep and abiding dislike for Ali, because he was a disrespect prick, especially to other black fighters! There are many boxing fans who think Ali does not need any forgiveness and there are many who have forgiven him. I am not one of those and I never will be. I cannot make it any plainer."
You've made it simple and cannot make it any plainer..... so all of us unenlightened ones can understand.
;)
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Re: August 26, 1975 ~ 'Press Conference' ~ Ali Tries To Make Gorilla Out Of Joe Frazi
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
beenKOed
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
What is overlooked here is that Ali's insults were mostly childish, prank-like. Countless fighters since then, and nowadays, say much worse things. But we conveniently forget because we're too busy attacking Ali, who has long since become something of an elder statesman, loved and respected by many.
What about Margarito and Rios making fun of Roach's Parkinson's disease. I think this is ten times worse than waving a toy gorilla at Frazier. What about Tyson telling Lewis he was going to eat his children? What about everything that comes out of Broner's mouth?
I think we've lost a little perspective here.
Seems like it started with Ali, doesn't it. Another strike against the disrespectful prick.
The perspective of a hater is always going to be a little skewed with respect to reality. But hey.... you're entitled to your opinion, no matter how skewed. After all......
"Look, I am going to make this simple for you. I respect Ali for being a great fighter, because he was! I also have a deep and abiding dislike for Ali, because he was a disrespect prick, especially to other black fighters! There are many boxing fans who think Ali does not need any forgiveness and there are many who have forgiven him. I am not one of those and I never will be. I cannot make it any plainer."
You've made it simple and cannot make it any plainer..... so all of us unenlightened ones can understand.
;)
Thanks for that endorsement, I didn't think I was making any headway at all! ;D
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Re: August 26, 1975 ~ 'Press Conference' ~ Ali Tries To Make Gorilla Out Of Joe Frazi
How does it go........ "Haters gonna hate"?
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Re: August 26, 1975 ~ 'Press Conference' ~ Ali Tries To Make Gorilla Out Of Joe Frazi
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Originally Posted by
beenKOed
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
What is overlooked here is that Ali's insults were mostly childish, prank-like. Countless fighters since then, and nowadays, say much worse things. But we conveniently forget because we're too busy attacking Ali, who has long since become something of an elder statesman, loved and respected by many.
What about Margarito and Rios making fun of Roach's Parkinson's disease. I think this is ten times worse than waving a toy gorilla at Frazier. What about Tyson telling Lewis he was going to eat his children? What about everything that comes out of Broner's mouth?
I think we've lost a little perspective here.
Seems like it started with Ali, doesn't it. Another strike against the disrespectful prick.
Actualyl it didn't start with Ali He openly admits he copied Gorgeous George the wrestler. He saw that everywhere George fought the place was packed. Some were there to see him win but most were there to see him lose They all bought a ticket
Everyone that really knows will tell you that bravado was all an act. Ali was really a quiet reserved almost shy sort of guy
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Re: August 26, 1975 ~ 'Press Conference' ~ Ali Tries To Make Gorilla Out Of Joe Frazi
I was exectly one years old on April 26th 1975
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Re: August 26, 1975 ~ 'Press Conference' ~ Ali Tries To Make Gorilla Out Of Joe Frazi
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C.J.Rock
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Originally Posted by
beenKOed
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
What is overlooked here is that Ali's insults were mostly childish, prank-like. Countless fighters since then, and nowadays, say much worse things. But we conveniently forget because we're too busy attacking Ali, who has long since become something of an elder statesman, loved and respected by many.
What about Margarito and Rios making fun of Roach's Parkinson's disease. I think this is ten times worse than waving a toy gorilla at Frazier. What about Tyson telling Lewis he was going to eat his children? What about everything that comes out of Broner's mouth?
I think we've lost a little perspective here.
Seems like it started with Ali, doesn't it. Another strike against the disrespectful prick.
Actualyl it didn't start with Ali He openly admits he copied Gorgeous George the wrestler. He saw that everywhere George fought the place was packed. Some were there to see him win but most were there to see him lose They all bought a ticket
Everyone that really knows will tell you that bravado was all an act. Ali was really a quiet reserved almost shy sort of guy
Apparently Ali did a much better job than Gorgeous ever did.
I doubt GG remained hated decades after his career was over.
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Re: August 26, 1975 ~ 'Press Conference' ~ Ali Tries To Make Gorilla Out Of Joe Frazi
Was it all Fun 'n' Games by Muhammad Ali to promote the fight.
NO !!!
Muhammad Ali's marketing team actually had '2000' Dark-Blue T-Shirts printed up, and sold them at
$7.00 apiece in New York City that day.
http://cache3.asset-cache.net/gc/136...PjyTUwPQ%3D%3D
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That is a clear connection between Joe Frazier and gorilla.
Ali and everyone knew it.
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Re: August 26, 1975 ~ 'Press Conference' ~ Ali Tries To Make Gorilla Out Of Joe Frazi
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Bill Paxtom
Ali's Marketing team did that not Ali Hell theyre still selling memorabilia on the Ali website as fast as they can make it
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Re: August 26, 1975 ~ 'Press Conference' ~ Ali Tries To Make Gorilla Out Of Joe Frazi
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Originally Posted by
C.J.Rock
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Originally Posted by
Bill Paxtom
Ali's Marketing team did that not Ali Hell theyre still selling memorabilia on the Ali website as fast as they can make it
Muhammad Ali 'was' his Marketing Team.
It was his idea for the ........... GORILLA
He should get all credit for the 1975 'SCUM BAG of the Year'
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Re: August 26, 1975 ~ 'Press Conference' ~ Ali Tries To Make Gorilla Out Of Joe Frazi
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Originally Posted by
Bill Paxtom
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Originally Posted by
C.J.Rock
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Originally Posted by
Bill Paxtom
Ali's Marketing team did that not Ali Hell theyre still selling memorabilia on the Ali website as fast as they can make it
Muhammad Ali 'was' his Marketing Team.
It was his idea for the ........... GORILLA
He should get all credit for the 1975 'SCUM BAG of the Year'
Entrepreneur of the year more like.
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Re: August 26, 1975 ~ 'Press Conference' ~ Ali Tries To Make Gorilla Out Of Joe Frazi
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Bill Paxtom
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Originally Posted by
C.J.Rock
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Originally Posted by
Bill Paxtom
Ali's Marketing team did that not Ali Hell theyre still selling memorabilia on the Ali website as fast as they can make it
Muhammad Ali 'was' his Marketing Team.
It was his idea for the ........... GORILLA
He should get all credit for the 1975 'SCUM BAG of the Year'
Entrepreneur of the year more like.
More like ....... 1975 Sport Magazine's 'Scum-Bag of the Year'
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When he was promoting fights I didn't mind the hype and the insults and the derogatory and incitetful behavior and language. But in between fights sometimes he would not fight for almost one year he would say and do the most insulting things to other human beings both black and white that he really cannot be looked upon as such a spiritual person like he likes to portray himself.
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Re: August 26, 1975 ~ 'Press Conference' ~ Ali Tries To Make Gorilla Out Of Joe Frazi
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brocktonblockbust
When he was promoting fights I didn't mind the hype and the insults and the derogatory and incitetful behavior and language. But in between fights sometimes he would not fight for almost one year he would say and do the most insulting things to other human beings both black and white that he really cannot be looked upon as such a spiritual person like he likes to portray himself.
TRIPLE B
The man was closer to a 'Scum-Bag' than a Humanitarian.
He is not a person to look up to. For those who do, they have little self-esteem.
Yes, you can appreciate his boxing talents and achievements inside the Boxing Ring.
But, was he really a special individual outside the Ring.
I think not. He was just another Celebrity looking for publicity.
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Re: August 26, 1975 ~ 'Press Conference' ~ Ali Tries To Make Gorilla Out Of Joe Frazi
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Originally Posted by
Bill Paxtom
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Originally Posted by
brocktonblockbust
When he was promoting fights I didn't mind the hype and the insults and the derogatory and incitetful behavior and language. But in between fights sometimes he would not fight for almost one year he would say and do the most insulting things to other human beings both black and white that he really cannot be looked upon as such a spiritual person like he likes to portray himself.
TRIPLE B
The man was closer to a 'Scum-Bag' than a Humanitarian.
He is not a person to look up to. For those who do, they have little self-esteem.
Yes, you can appreciate his boxing talents and achievements inside the Boxing Ring.
But, was he really a special individual outside the Ring.
I think not. He was just another Celebrity looking for publicity.
I think THAT's the nail on the head, he was nothing special, he happened to be born with good looks, and took advantage of that like anyone else would, hell, like I did, too bwAAAAHAHAHAHA
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Re: August 26, 1975 ~ 'Press Conference' ~ Ali Tries To Make Gorilla Out Of Joe Frazi
You are the only one with low self esteem Bill. After all these years holding a grudge this long makes you very shallow.
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Re: August 26, 1975 ~ 'Press Conference' ~ Ali Tries To Make Gorilla Out Of Joe Frazi
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Master
You are the only one with low self esteem Bill. After all these years holding a grudge this long makes you very shallow.
Hang in there Bill, I'm shallower than you and Brock is the shallowest guy I've ever seen. He could probably take a bath in a a teacup! :)
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beenKOed
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Master
You are the only one with low self esteem Bill. After all these years holding a grudge this long makes you very shallow.
Hang in there Bill, I'm shallower than you and Brock is the shallowest guy I've ever seen. He could probably take a bath in a a teacup! :)
I don't bathe bitch!
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Re: August 26, 1975 ~ 'Press Conference' ~ Ali Tries To Make Gorilla Out Of Joe Frazi
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Originally Posted by
brocktonblockbust
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Originally Posted by
beenKOed
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Originally Posted by
Master
You are the only one with low self esteem Bill. After all these years holding a grudge this long makes you very shallow.
Hang in there Bill, I'm shallower than you and Brock is the shallowest guy I've ever seen. He could probably take a bath in a a teacup! :)
I don't bathe bitch!
;D
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Re: August 26, 1975 ~ 'Press Conference' ~ Ali Tries To Make Gorilla Out Of Joe Frazi
Bill doesnt have low self-esteem, its not equal to tell him that just because he harps on Ali. Focusing on a certain topic or even obsessing on a topic is not an indication of low self-esteem. People obsess on lots of things for various reasons/combinations of reasons. Low self-esteem could be one, or it could have nothing to do with it.
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Re: August 26, 1975 ~ 'Press Conference' ~ Ali Tries To Make Gorilla Out Of Joe Frazi
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Originally Posted by
Bill Paxtom
True, was a low act for sure.
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Re: August 26, 1975 ~ 'Press Conference' ~ Ali Tries To Make Gorilla Out Of Joe Frazi
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Andre
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Originally Posted by
Bill Paxtom
True, was a low act for sure.
Ah, it was no big deal, Ali never meant to hurt anyone. It was just one black man trying to help out another black man. :rolleyes:
I really have a lot of respect for Ali, he was a good man through and through. You can tell he was a very respectful person from the way he spoke about other black fighters! :rolleyes: Right?
You are what you say, and I have a lot of disrespect for Muhammad Ali. ;)
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Re: August 26, 1975 ~ 'Press Conference' ~ Ali Tries To Make Gorilla Out Of Joe Frazi
He thought it was cool to keep changing what he said from one year to another. And nobody would remember his track record. You cant say the white man is the devil in '66, then say some white men are the devil in '69, then say you were wrong and that there are red devils, green devils, black devils, etc., in '71, then say you champion black rights in then turn around aND CALL fellow blacks monkeys, gorillas, ignorant, uneducated, backwards, Uncle Tom, etc., from year to year HE KEPT GETTING IT WRONG, yet the following year he would get something else wrong, showing no remorse, and expecting people to keep kissing his ass, expecting people to forgive each and every one of his insults, remarks, etc.
now he is old, sick and mute, and if it werent for that, he might get alot less sympathy
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Re: August 26, 1975 ~ 'Press Conference' ~ Ali Tries To Make Gorilla Out Of Joe Frazi
I'm sure all this hate keeps Ali up at night.
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Re: August 26, 1975 ~ 'Press Conference' ~ Ali Tries To Make Gorilla Out Of Joe Frazi
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TitoFan
I'm sure all this hate keeps Ali up at night.
I think Ali has moved on maybe others should too.
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Re: August 26, 1975 ~ 'Press Conference' ~ Ali Tries To Make Gorilla Out Of Joe Frazi
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brocktonblockbust
Out and out racism and at the very least cruelty.
Mean cruelty.
This coming from a "highly religious" man who "really supported his people".
I guess berating poor Joe for years like this was "supporting" his people.
Disgusting show of willful and persistent cruelty to a decent, humble ATG Joe Frazier.
Karma is a bitch, huh?
The thing with Ali was that he wasn't too bright & he got over excited too easily; he was virtually like a child when he was in pre-fight mode.
He said some terrible things to Smokin' Joe, but I don't believe the meant those things truly.
Deep down, Ali had great respect for Joe because he knew that Joe was always going to give him a hard time.
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Re: August 26, 1975 ~ 'Press Conference' ~ Ali Tries To Make Gorilla Out Of Joe Frazi
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Originally Posted by
Master
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TitoFan
I'm sure all this hate keeps Ali up at night.
I think Ali has moved on maybe others should too.
It was a sarcastic jab at the haters.
;)
Hate has never mattered much to Ali, and at this point in his life is even more of a non-factor.
Besides... Ali's surrounded by nothing but love and admiration nowadays.
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Re: August 26, 1975 ~ 'Press Conference' ~ Ali Tries To Make Gorilla Out Of Joe Frazi
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
I'm sure all this hate keeps Ali up at night.
I think Ali has moved on maybe others should too.
It was a sarcastic jab at the haters.
;)
Hate has never mattered much to Ali, and at this point in his life is even more of a non-factor.
Besides... Ali's surrounded by nothing but love and admiration nowadays.
I know but I was trying to reach out for the haters to change just in time for Christmas. :)
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@Master are you saying that Bill Paxton is Ebenezer Scrooge
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Re: August 26, 1975 ~ 'Press Conference' ~ Ali Tries To Make Gorilla Out Of Joe Frazi
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brocktonblockbust
@
Master are you saying that Bill Paxton is Ebenezer Scrooge
If he sees the error of his ways then yes he will be.
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Re: August 26, 1975 ~ 'Press Conference' ~ Ali Tries To Make Gorilla Out Of Joe Frazi
How despicable a supposed Sportsman must be;
To call another competitor 'A Gorilla'.
Yet, Cassius Clay never called the North Vietnamese 'Gooks'.
A mean-sprited Cassius Clay says >
"You'll see Joe Frazier, the Gorilla in training. "You'll see how ugly he is."
Who's laughing now ........ SCUM BAG.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=wMUFRhasKZw
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Re: August 26, 1975 ~ 'Press Conference' ~ Ali Tries To Make Gorilla Out Of Joe Frazi
You are the only scumbag here
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Re: August 26, 1975 ~ 'Press Conference' ~ Ali Tries To Make Gorilla Out Of Joe Frazi
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Originally Posted by
Master
You are the only scumbag here
Why ~ Because I never called another man 'A Gorilla'.
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Re: August 26, 1975 ~ 'Press Conference' ~ Ali Tries To Make Gorilla Out Of Joe Frazi
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Originally Posted by
Bill Paxtom
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Originally Posted by
Master
You are the only scumbag here
Why ~ Because I never called another man 'A Gorilla'.
No for calling someone else a scumbag when they are not.
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Re: August 26, 1975 ~ 'Press Conference' ~ Ali Tries To Make Gorilla Out Of Joe Frazi
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Bill Paxtom
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Originally Posted by
Master
You are the only scumbag here
Why ~ Because I never called another man 'A Gorilla'.
No for calling someone else a scumbag when they are not.
If you were a competitor of his. He would have called you 'A Gorilla'.
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Re: August 26, 1975 ~ 'Press Conference' ~ Ali Tries To Make Gorilla Out Of Joe Frazi
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Originally Posted by
Bill Paxtom
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Bill Paxtom
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Originally Posted by
Master
You are the only scumbag here
Why ~ Because I never called another man 'A Gorilla'.
No for calling someone else a scumbag when they are not.
If you were a competitor of his. He would have called you 'A Gorilla'.
I would have laughed and called him rabbit for rabbiting so much. I would then make t shirts, slippers, and hats. We would laugh so much.
