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I feel the same. I thought the first half was close with Frampton edging it with his counter-punching. I thought Santa Cruz clearly was the better fighter in the 2nd half.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Same here. Frampton landed cleaner early but Santa Cruz landed so many more putting early rounds rather even for me but Santa Cruz dominated the 2nd half of the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
I was watching it wanting Frampton to win but I can't make a case for him winning seven rounds, never mind those cards.
True enough statement. Close smart but he was doing half the work for him giving height to Frampton who arguably held his own on equal footing in Santa Cruz strength early. Will say composure seemed to belong to Frampton throughout.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Rigo congratulates Frampton and says he's willing to go to Belfast to settle differences.
I like Frampton, seems a nice and real enough guy and he is stoic, but there's no way he's going to fight Rigo, he'll get destroyed at his own game.
No one of consequence is going to fight Rigo. He's high risk and no reward.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought Santa Cruz won. I had it 115-113. There were some close rounds for sure so I don't mind frampton winning, but those scores were wide. Santa Cruz was just so much busier and he landed some huge shots. Frampton did well (a lot better than I expected), but overall, I thought Cruz did better.
Well done Frampton by the way chaps they were American judge's were they not.
It was a close hard fight but I had Frampton as the winner.
Frampton is a Haymon fighter though, and at least one of the judges is a complete joke on a very consistent basis. I wouldn't have a problem if he won close, but I don't see how you could give him more than 2 of the last 6 rounds really. Oh well, very good fight.
I am so happy waking up to hear that Carl Frampton has won the title!
Taking on the US fighter in his home country at his own weight takes a lot of courage and risk.
Credit Carl for that.
First time I have stayed up all night in ages, very good fight, feel for Santa Cruz had it a draw tbh and was a bit shocked by the wide margin on two judges cards, got to be a rematch.
Bet you are tired.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dean Duke
Brilliant performance from Frampton and doing it as the away fighter made it even more sweet for him.
By the 11th round i had it a draw if im honest as Santa Cruz came on strong but it was exactly that, a fight of 2 halves with Frampton winning most rounds by the half way mark.
Rematch or go after Lee Selby ?
Santa Cruz says he is willing to travel to Ireland for a rematch
http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakin...t-747494.html?
FULL FIGHT HERE Pretty sticky upload but watchable
http://www.allthebestfights.com/fram...16/#more-61636
I have watched it again still had Frampton the winner.
Cruz volume of punch's was higher but he missed a lot.
Leo looks good against lesser fighters Frampton is a different animal, a good fight in the rematch I feel Carl will beat him more convincingly.
Cruz said my dad told me I won he would say that he is his father.
Leo also said he wanted the rematch in LA ,! Frampton was the away fighter on home soil he will I think win more convincingly maybe even stop Cruz.
After watching the fight 3 times I still have Frampton as the winner.
Hell of a fight this is what we want great fighters in great fights.
Frampton won't have to do the rematch anywhere but Ireland ;-)
Was a good un, just the way we hardly saw the ref have to go near the fighters said it all.:cool:
One for the purists as action wise it was lacking but a great watch nontheless
Blimey, some of you had Santa Cruz winning? What? I guess if you gave him all the close rounds I can see a draw - at a stretch.
Frampton countered him all night, held his own in the toe-to-toe exchanges, controlled the distance and constantly landed the most eye catching shots. Terrific fight but there was only one winner.
Can't believe how many people wrote Frampton off beforehand, seemed to me he got written off because the Quigg fight was pony. Ridiculous.
I felt the showtime crew was very pro frampton. I was rooting for santa cruz, but felt frampton took the fight. There was were just too many times that frampton landed on wading santa cruz and stepped away before Santa cruz would open his eyes get his bearings and give chase. When Santa cruz fought like the taller fighter, he took those rounds. When he dove into the trenches, it felt like he played into framptons plans and as such it looked like frampton was is control more often than not. Frampton faded down the stretch as i expected he would but it didn't seem like LSC had much more of plan than wade in bomb frampton out and collect his belts and his checks.
Basically every round was pretty close. Frampton did land some great counters, but Cruz also landed huge shots and dictated the pace in many rounds. It was a close fight and gave no problem with the winner, but the scorecards were wide.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I think there were two rounds that were fairly clearly framptons round, but Cruz had a few rounds like that too. Neither fighter could gain much of an edge. I felt like when one would have success, the other would come back and have success. Close fight and a rematch should happen.
Yep Cruz was missing Frampton countering landing the heavy shot's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I can't believe how they were thinking Cruz won you got to land clean to score.
Frampton well won that fight Cruz felt the power and he could not impose him self on Carl good fight good rematch but in Belfast.
I had it a draw LSC won the second half half of the fight which are the Championship rounds. The fight was close and. I have no problem with frampton winning but two of the those cards were disgusting. Then again who is promoting LSC to place vs Frampton in NY? That is not protecting your fighter. Frampton is now offering rematch in Belfast when he just got a small gift in its sister city.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Have it in Vegas or Macau in the big leagues. I was impressed with Frampton but he did not do enough to take away a champions belt. Smells like the network marketing of a PPV puppet, LSC lacks PPV drawing power Frampton has.
Why Belfast NY was home court for frampton. Fight was close enough for a rematch on the big stage in Vegas. If LSC had won there would be no shout out by LSC offering a rematch in Mexico City. Stop being the fan boy and be a fight fanQuote:
Originally Posted by smashup
LSC can blame himself for the loss. He lost the fight before the fight by leaving GBP in favor of Haymon. GBP would never had staged the fight in Belfast, NY it would have been in Vegas, San Antonio, El Paso or home of Los Angeles . This fight was close but more of a case of location location location. Had this been in any of the city's mentioned above it would be LSC celebrating a close fight or draw. No way a rematch in Belfast is fair. If a rematch is reached back in NY is a slightly more neutral site. Based on two judges scores no one in their right mind will believe LSC wins a decision and no kills PPV demand. Haymon screwed his fighter and LSC is one stupid fighter to fight in Belfast for a rematch. A rematch in a neutral site is a must! Hayman promotes both and chose to sit on the side of Frampton he is more marketable. If a rematch is made in Belfast and I were LSC I would be pissed and only accept back in NY with a different fight plan where only a KO will net him a win. Gotta be the money that got him to fight in NY to pay for dad's meds.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_Undisputed
What fight were you watching Frampton made Cruz miss or land on gloves and arms.Quote:
Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxingLSC can blame himself for the loss. He lost the fight before the fight by leaving GBP in favor of Haymon. GBP would never had staged the fight in Belfast, NY it would have been in Vegas, San Antonio, El Paso or home of Los Angeles . This fight was close but more of a case of location location location. Had this been in any of the city's mentioned above it would be LSC celebrating a close fight or draw. No way a rematch in Belfast is fair. If a rematch is reached back in NY is a slightly more neutral site. Based on two judges scores no one in their right mind will believe LSC wins a decision and no kills PPV demand. Haymon screwed his fighter and LSC is one stupid fighter to fight in Belfast for a rematch. A rematch in a neutral site is a must! Hayman promotes both and chose to sit on the side of Frampton he is more marketable. If a rematch is made in Belfast and I were LSC I would be pissed and only accept back in NY with a different fight plan where only a KO will net him a win. Gotta be the money that got him to fight in NY to pay for dad's meds.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_Undisputed
Sister City LOL Cruz lost mate, either you like volume or quality punches.
Volume that missed or quality punches that score.
Was the fight in America yes is the home of Cruz is it not.
So not many Hispanics turned up and ever plastic paddy turned up to support Frampton LOL.
This isn't working. If you find another one, I would really appreciate it. I've looked and found nada!Quote:
Originally Posted by Freedom
Cruz threw over 1000 punches which is top in the fittest fighter categories but Frampton landed more power punches from the boxing stats.
I do not think there will be an immediate rematch. I think Frampton will want an easier first defence at home.
The people that thought Cruz won are thankfully in a small minority. Fuck knows what they were watching, ironically they'll be the first people to criticise judges or cry about corruption.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoYep Cruz was missing Frampton countering landing the heavy shot's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I can't believe how they were thinking Cruz won you got to land clean to score.
Frampton well won that fight Cruz felt the power and he could not impose him self on Carl good fight good rematch but in Belfast.
Ironically enough, if Cruz would have won a decision, you would have been calling it corruptionQuote:
Originally Posted by FensterThe people that thought Cruz won are thankfully in a small minority. Fuck knows what they were watching, ironically they'll be the first people to criticise judges or cry about corruption.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoYep Cruz was missing Frampton countering landing the heavy shot's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I can't believe how they were thinking Cruz won you got to land clean to score.
Frampton well won that fight Cruz felt the power and he could not impose him self on Carl good fight good rematch but in Belfast.
If a fighter starts counting on location, location, location to net him the win... He deserves the loss. You train to win anywhere, in the most effective way possible. You don't just train for the KO if the fights not in your hometown. Everyone wonders why Boxing isn't what it was. The sports being watered down by people trying to squeak out the most money and wins for the smallest amount of effort possible. Santa Cruz figured his usually volume and swarming would be enough and it wasn't, there didn't seem to be any tactical training at all. A punch he was trying to land, a place he was trying to land from or real estate he was trying to occupy to force his opponent into a position he wanted him in. He just figured with enough pressure, Frampton would fold and he'd by points or stoppage. The rematch better be held in a phone booth if LSC wants a shot at winning with that plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoWhat fight were you watching Frampton made Cruz miss or land on gloves and arms.Quote:
Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxingLSC can blame himself for the loss. He lost the fight before the fight by leaving GBP in favor of Haymon. GBP would never had staged the fight in Belfast, NY it would have been in Vegas, San Antonio, El Paso or home of Los Angeles . This fight was close but more of a case of location location location. Had this been in any of the city's mentioned above it would be LSC celebrating a close fight or draw. No way a rematch in Belfast is fair. If a rematch is reached back in NY is a slightly more neutral site. Based on two judges scores no one in their right mind will believe LSC wins a decision and no kills PPV demand. Haymon screwed his fighter and LSC is one stupid fighter to fight in Belfast for a rematch. A rematch in a neutral site is a must! Hayman promotes both and chose to sit on the side of Frampton he is more marketable. If a rematch is made in Belfast and I were LSC I would be pissed and only accept back in NY with a different fight plan where only a KO will net him a win. Gotta be the money that got him to fight in NY to pay for dad's meds.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_Undisputed
Sister City LOL Cruz lost mate, either you like volume or quality punches.
Volume that missed or quality punches that score.
Was the fight in America yes is the home of Cruz is it not.
So not many Hispanics turned up and ever plastic paddy turned up to support Frampton LOL.
This was such a good fight I watched it again sober which is something I almost never do. I was watching the fight hoping Frampton was going to win but on the night I thought Santa Cruz managed to land enough big punches to take enough rounds. I was probably allowing for a house fighter outcome with Santa Cruz being the house fighter. I was definitely pissed. Watching it again even with quite a few close rounds I'd give it to Frampton by a round or two. It was a hell of a performance by him and he's going to be able to pick the fights he wants now although I don't think Haymon will want him fighting in Belfast, he'll want him primetime in America.
Carl Frampton parties with fans in Manhattan after winning world title - BBC Sport
Great video of Frampton enjoying the post fight celebrations - na na na na na naa naa naaa naaa naaa na na
Two different takes on the winner again shows how boxing is the only sport that isn't a game.
No way to score a (fight) objectively.
I hope to watch it tonight and give my score.
Santa Cruz has a rematch clause and he says he wants it now, anywhere.
Frankly I was rooting for Frampton but the more he talks the more I think I will root against him going forward. He says he has no interest in ever fighting Rigo because there is no money in it but in the very next sentence says he would like to fight Gary Russell Jr. GTFOOHWTN, there is no money in fighting Gary Russell Jr, probably significantly less than in fighting Rigo. I really wanted to like this guy but it's impossible when he says such BS. If he'd just say Rigo is too good to make it worthwhile I would say "fair enough" but you can't use no money as an excuse and then say you want to fight a fight that makes less
Just got a chance to watch it. Great fight. Score cards were a bit wide but that was no robbery. Frampton did well to keep his composure and hold his own against such an experienced and relentless opponent. The Jackal was effective and did what he had to do. He proved he can change and adapt. Not so sure Cruz has the same flexibility.
The problem is that people think that rigo is a high risk, low reward fight. In reality, it's huge reward type of fight. If frampton wins, it would boost him to a top 10 fighter in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Alright, I also have Frampton winning 7-5 on a second watch, the fight did look different to me watching live on a stream. I felt like LSC might have swept the second half then, Framptons body language seemed to betray him in a couple of rounds where he landed better stuff watching it back in quality. The 4th and 12th could've so easily gone either way, and the wide scores for Frampton aren't indefensible by any means, would only take one charitable round to him.
1: Frampton
2: Frampton
3: Frampton
4: LSC
5:Frampton
6:LSC
7:LSC
8:Frampton
9:Frampton
10:LSC
11:LSC
12:Frampton
you are reinforcing what I said. Of the fight had been on Vegas it would be the reverse every bean on the west coast would be there. I am not disputing Frampton win it was a close fight. Saw fight with Box Nation narrators hugging for Frampton and on Showtime same thing. Every punch Frampton hit LSC was highlighted. Only difference is Box Nation had it a draw as did I. I do see how Frampton won a decision but not by that disparity on two of the judges cards. That is what made a great fight stink !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoWhat fight were you watching Frampton made Cruz miss or land on gloves and arms.Quote:
Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxingLSC can blame himself for the loss. He lost the fight before the fight by leaving GBP in favor of Haymon. GBP would never had staged the fight in Belfast, NY it would have been in Vegas, San Antonio, El Paso or home of Los Angeles . This fight was close but more of a case of location location location. Had this been in any of the city's mentioned above it would be LSC celebrating a close fight or draw. No way a rematch in Belfast is fair. If a rematch is reached back in NY is a slightly more neutral site. Based on two judges scores no one in their right mind will believe LSC wins a decision and no kills PPV demand. Haymon screwed his fighter and LSC is one stupid fighter to fight in Belfast for a rematch. A rematch in a neutral site is a must! Hayman promotes both and chose to sit on the side of Frampton he is more marketable. If a rematch is made in Belfast and I were LSC I would be pissed and only accept back in NY with a different fight plan where only a KO will net him a win. Gotta be the money that got him to fight in NY to pay for dad's meds.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_Undisputed
Sister City LOL Cruz lost mate, either you like volume or quality punches.
Volume that missed or quality punches that score.
Was the fight in America yes is the home of Cruz is it not.
So not many Hispanics turned up and ever plastic paddy turned up to support Frampton LOL.