It won't as Hearn has already guaranteed Joshua will fight on Dec 10. Like Wlad, smug Eddie is hardly short of a few quid with a chock block stable of big fighters. Just has to find a sellable opponent.
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It won't as Hearn has already guaranteed Joshua will fight on Dec 10. Like Wlad, smug Eddie is hardly short of a few quid with a chock block stable of big fighters. Just has to find a sellable opponent.
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Originally Posted by Fenster
Could this be Hayes big announcement that he's promised today? ;D
Hes already come out with the claws and handbags on IFL ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
He's finding out what dealing with the Klitschkos is like;D
For the Wlad-Joshua fight not happening...meh, Wlad's been out of the ring since about this time last year, he may feel as though he's a bit rusty and that would put him at a big disadvantage fighting AJ who just stopped Breazeale in June. People seem to think Wlad is finished and it certainly isn't the first time they've believed that and eventually those doubters will be correct and the older Wlad gets the odds start getting better for the doubters. We're just going to have to wait and see what is left in the tank.
I think Anthony Joshua is the goods and he should be ready to beat any heavyweight in the world if not right now then fairly soon. Wlad is going to have to be on his A game to beat him...he's not going to have that A game unless he's knocked off the ring rust. There's already the chance that Wlad has overtrained as well which certainly wouldn't help him vs AJ.
It's disappointing for AJ not to get the fight vs Wlad immediately and I am sure it's disappointing for his fans, but if Wlad has anything left in the tank this fight will eventually happen and the odds are going to be in AJ's favor the longer it takes to make the fight because Wlad isn't getting any younger.
bottled it
Say what you want to, he's not out there shoveling cocaine up his nose and talking shit on Twitter.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Yeah, after about a year long layoff let me step in the ring with the hottest young prospect in the division....you're brilliant eric :vd:
So you admit he's bottled it?
If it makes you feel better you go right along with that, it won't bother me.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
I'm saying Wlad is going to knock off the ring rust...Wlad has nothing to prove to anyone in the sport of boxing, he has carte blanche as a boxer because he's been at the top of the heap for a decade. Wlad has been training to fight Tyson Fury, he was going to fight Tyson Fury and now that Fury is a mental case he's had to change his plans and he's waited a very long time as well so if Wlad thinks the better choice is fighting Browne, fine I see absolutely no issue with it. It likely means a short turnaround for the fight following that one.
Wlad was going to fight Fury and since he doesn't fight Anthony Joshua he's "bottled it"....doesn't seem to make much sense but run with it if you like I mean I can't stop you from being an idiot
Wants to knock off ring rust my bollox
hes bottled it big time
Take on an easy fight in Germany or fight away against a young hungry puncher. Easy choice and then unify for even more money against AJ.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Wlad had Eddie by the balls. :)
If that's what you want to believe go aheadQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44
It doesn't work that way Master. ONLY brash shit talking Brits are allowed to do such things! David Haye, Tyson Fury, but if a foreigner does it then by God they have bottled it!Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterTake on an easy fight in Germany or fight away against a young hungry puncher. Easy choice and then unify for even more money against AJ.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Wlad had Eddie by the balls. :)
I know just about any mug can chuck an article opn the interwebs these days but fuck me
Joshua vs. Klitschko NOT happening! - Boxing News
That was a shite article and totally nonsense.
Wlad won't fight aj
they are building up nothing
wlad will cuddle his way to the title then 2 or 3 more cuddling shows all in Germany then retire
So, Joshua Price then?
If it is then that should not be worthy of PPV.Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
Gotta be honest, did you ever think he would fight AJ if he didn't have to? He's 40 years old, spent the last 10 years avoiding big hitters and getting hit, and in his last fight he looked like a complete pile of shit! Why would he fight arguably the most dangerous , heavy handed fighter in the division?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
He can beat Browne, make a pile of dough, pick off one or two relatively easy mandatories until his TV contract is complete and roll off into the sunset with his jaw intact.
I think you're being a tad harsh on him , because is there anyone else in boxing with all the above that would do any different?
I'm not saying it's right mind, just realistic.
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Originally Posted by Primo CarneraGotta be honest, did you ever think he would fight AJ if he didn't have to? He's 40 years old, spent the last 10 years avoiding big hitters and getting hit, and in his last fight he looked like a complete pile of shit! Why would he fight arguably the most dangerous , heavy handed fighter in the division?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
He can beat Browne, make a pile of dough, pick off one or two relatively easy mandatories until his TV contract is complete and roll off into the sunset with his jaw intact.
I think you're being a tad harsh on him , because is there anyone else in boxing with all the above that would do any different?
I'm not saying it's right mind, just realistic.
I bolded my favorite part.
I increased the font size of my even more favorite part.
What hitters has WLAD avoided exactly? The only ones you might possibly be referring to are Wilder and Joshua who are relative newcomers to the game.
More Wilder than Joshua, because as you say, Joshua hasn't been around long . But that is the only piece of the post you can question?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
that's fair enough , I'll concede that to you if you concede the parts that said he's spent the last 10 years avoiding being hit and that he looked like a pile of shit in his last fight? seems fair to me. ;)
Wlad v Joshua might actually happen as Brownes team couldn't strike a deal with Klitschko ;)
Exclusive: Browne lawyer says 'Klitschko contact made' but 'deal unable to be made' | World Boxing News
Blaaaa
I still Don't reckon it'll happen. Either it'll go to purse bids , or WBA will pick the next in their rankings. Could be Ortiz (haha), Oquendo , maybe even David Haye!!! Joshua is nowhere in their rankings.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Besides, I heard Hearn talking last night to Kugan Cassius, and he's sorting a deal out this week because AJ Is definitely fighting in Manchester Dec 12th, and it's only 6-7 weeks away.
So Wlad has been the one avoiding Wilder....looking at their respective records I find that the slightest bit hard to believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
As for your accusations:
"He's spent the last 10 years avoiding being hit" - Yes....is that not the point of boxing hit and don't get hit? Did you just want him to go all Rock'em Sock'em Robot like literally NONE of the heavyweights did before him. Mike Tyson never went out and said "If I get hit I get hit" he actively avoided getting hit as do MOST successful boxers. Michael Moorer allowed George Foreman to hit him.....how'd that work out for him? Hmmm? You and a lot of other people have this silly idea that boxers can just set their feet and throw without regard to what is coming back at them....even the biggest of punchers don't want to get in slugging matches. The thing most fighters try to do regardless of their style is hit their opponent and do damage without taking damage in return....that make sense to you?
"He looked like shit in his last fight" - Yes and he lost. Your point? I guess we judge his ENTIRE career on that fight :rolleyes: in the future boxers will have to do better, sure you can fight roughly 2 times a year for a decade and win every fight, but you lose just 1, you have an off night, and God fucking help you.....seems a bit much, seems a little harsh, but that's just me.
[QUOTE=El Kabong;1402467]Let's address your little grievances shall we?Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
So Wlad has been the one avoiding Wilder....looking at their respective records I find that the slightest bit hard to believe.
You should learn to read posts before you reply as you will have noticed that I conceded that point
As for your accusations:
"He's spent the last 10 years avoiding being hit" - Yes....is that not the point of boxing hit and don't get hit? Did you just want him to go all Rock'em Sock'em Robot like literally NONE of the heavyweights did before him. Mike Tyson never went out and said "If I get hit I get hit" he actively avoided getting hit as do MOST successful boxers. Michael Moorer allowed George Foreman to hit him.....how'd that work out for him? Hmmm? You and a lot of other people have this silly idea that boxers can just set their feet and throw without regard to what is coming back at them....even the biggest of punchers don't want to get in slugging matches. The thing most fighters try to do regardless of their style is hit their opponent and do damage without taking damage in return....that make sense to you?
It wasn't really an accusation , it wasn't even really a criticism as such, more an observation. Floyd has avoided being hit for the last 10 years and I admire him for that. The only difference is Floyd knew when to stop. I'm feeling that you are very sensitive about this, but I feel you need to calm down a little and you might see what everybody else sees.
"He looked like shit in his last fight" - Yes and he lost. Your point? I guess we judge his ENTIRE career on that fight :rolleyes: in the future boxers will have to do better, sure you can fight roughly 2 times a year for a decade and win every fight, but you lose just 1, you have an off night, and God fucking help you.....seems a bit much, seems a little harsh, but that's just me.
Obviously this is a criticism, but what it also is my learned friend is a FACT! or are you going to try to tell me he didn't look like shit in his last fight? Hell, I bet if I saw Wlad in the street and said to him "you looked shit against Fury, he would probably agree.
"MY POINT?" My point was that he looked like shit! THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU? who judged his ENTIRE career on that fight? Like I said, I think you need to read my posts before replying. My original post was actually stating that Eric had been harsh in his view.
And if you look even further back , or care to remember, I actually thought Wlad would beat Fury fairly handily in the 1st fight and had many rows with @ross at the time. What actually happened was that a 39 year old man showed no desire whatsoever and grew old in the ring in one night. That isn't a criticism of his previous career , that is an observation of what happened that night. Wlad had an exceptional record over the previous 10 years, but that night he was shit! I personally couldn't believe he even wanted the rematch, I think his desire has gone and its very difficult to turn the clock back at that age.
We can say Ali went on too late, but not Wlad?
Finally, I have no problem with someone supporting a fighter, and I find it quite commendable when they stick up for their Man, but there has to be realism, and if you're Man was Shit, you have to take it on the chin instead of coming back in a demented fashion talking fucking rubbish and accusing people of saying things they never said to try to win your argument.
Because it's when you start to do that , you make yourself look a bit of a fool.please , please , please, don't "Rossify" yourself, I thought you had more to you than that.
Wlad's had about 70 professional fights, I'm sorry a couple were dogs. Hopkins didn't have many great bouts to watch either yet he's still great.
I'm not heated about your take it just doesn't make sense to me is all. Who else is judged to this standard?
Ok, so he was shit in his last fight, but we're not allowed to say that? And me saying he had a great 10 years but he was shit last time out is judging him harshly is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
And don't give it the old "who else is judged to this standard, poor Wlad it's not fair " bollocks.
Floyd, Ward, Rigondeaux, Golovkin, are all Judged to this standard. It's because of the high standards they have set, just like Wlad. Don't make him out to be hard done by.
You are EXACTLY LIKE ROSS! You cannot accept a justified criticism of your Man. And to deflect it, you go off on a tangent saying crap like I wiped Wlad's complete history off the record books. Do me a favour.
Uh, now you're just being paranoid.
You said Wlad had ducked big punchers...not true
And you said he was garbage in his last fight...which I agreed to. I merely said that it's not right to judge the guy on just 1 fight. And I mean that in the manner that Wlad has been written off before is all...I am a fan, never denied it or hidden it. To that end I'm interested to see if he can rebound from the Fury fight maybe he can maybe it's time for him to hang it up, I honestly don't know.
I don't know if Wlad intends on finding out either, the Browne fight has been confirmed now.
bloody 'ell so ross was right all along... wladimir v browne and joshua v a donkey(aka price :S), good prediction hats off to him !
ah well wladimir is old and has been out of action for a while, let him take on browne and then hopefully we will get a run of unification fights. I want wilder to get involved in this too !
There were too many obstacles for the Joshua v Klitschko fight to happen and Hearn knew it.
Its all an act! It's to make a Price fight more acceptable.
Anyone nes who took in Hearns rubbish and swallowed it hook line and sinker needs a word with themselves;D
Ha ha! how am I being paranoid ?:rofmaoal:Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I think somebody who accuses somebody else of criticizing Wlad's whole career just because he was shit last time out is probably a better bet for paranoia.
I made a few observations and you came back in a hissy fit .
To Sum up, Wlad has had a great career, he was shit in his last fight, he probably has lost his desire, but has enough to beat a Browne , but no wish to fight the likes of Joshua IMO. I don't think that is classed as losing your bottle, I totally understand why a 40 year old would not want to risk his legacy further by losing to a Young buck and possibly getting beat up bad.
Wlad will beat Browne to become champion again, fight a mandatory or 2 and either will never fight AJ or Wilder to unify , (not because he's ducking, but because he has no need to.) and if he does fight one of them, he will lose or retire.
I don't think Wlad is washed up. I think Tyson Fury would have made Wlad look like that at any point in his career. Tyson and lots of other people's criticisms of Wlad before and leading up to that fight was that he's robotic. The same criticism I'd give for Joshua although Wlad doesn't fight as stiff as Joshua and looked more a beast when he let his hands go before he started getting chinned. I think Joshua goes the same way but doesn't have the skill level of Wlad to be able to come back from it and dominate.
Look at Price he was similar and I said the same things about him prior to the Thompson fight and got laughed at. His career is almost going the same path, British level to a huge leap in class. If the Wlad fight really did come off which it won't Joshua would be the next Price. I saw little things that were going to get Price in trouble at world level. Same with Joshua. Good at throwing punches but I think he will look shit when they are thrown back or someone gives him real movement.
getting a bit bored of waiting for news on this now
Not read all the thread but if a Price fight happened do we think they would try sell it as a ppv ??
Nah
It will be PPV.
All Joshua's fights will be PPV until he loses
100% ppv
Better be a damm good undercard Joshua Price a funking liberty
Yes, you're being paranoid. Saying Wlad has ducked big punchers paired with he was shit in his last fight seems to me like you're not dissing just one fight but a portion of Wladimir's career. Wlad has not ducked anybody, AJ and Wilder are young and inexperienced and holy shit Deontay Wilder just got done fighting Cris Arreola...in 2016, not 2009. Artur Szpilka, Johann Duhaupas, Eric Molina, Jason Gavern.....not exactly a Murderer's Row. Wilder has had almost 40 fights and you'd be hard pressed to find 10 guys who had a legitimate chance against Deontay. Not saying Deontay is bad, I'm saying he's not had the most dangerous of matches.....yeah but Wlad is the one with no intention to fighting Deontay? Dude, when Wlad was being begged by his brother to retire Wlad went out and fought an undefeated Sam Peter who at the time was looking damn near unbeatable. I don't think Wlad looks at any heavyweight out there and says to himself "Gee, I had better not fight that guy"....he was the heavyweight champion for a decade for a reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
No wish to fight Joshua? Ok, I mean I don't know what Wlad is going to do, again, he has had a longer than usual layoff, longest of his career perhaps. Wlad fights twice a year typically, it's October his last fight was in November of 2015.....you think he might want to knock the ring rust off? I don't know. Maybe the numbers aren't to his liking, maybe the numbers aren't to Joshua's liking, who knows what the REAL hold up is, but I don't think a guy who was champion for a decade and has 68 professional fights under his belt is worried about who his opponent is....call it a hunch.
Why would Wlad's legacy be damaged if he lost to Anthony Joshua? #1 We as boxing fans have no idea what Anthony Joshua is going to become, he could remain undefeated for his entire career (unlikely, but it's still an attainable goal at this point). #2 Wlad is over the hill for a boxer, anything he achieves now is icing on the cake he has nothing to prove to anyone. It's like RJJ's career after losing to Tarver that doesn't undo what RJJ achieved in the sport his legacy isn't damaged.
I'm not so much attempting to defend Wlad as I'm playing Devils Advocate here. You think Wlad is ducking or avoiding or whatever, alright....I doubt that, but alright. You think he was shit in his last fight, I don't believe you'll find many INCLUDING Wlad who will disagree with that assessment. So the problem you have with my posts?? I don't know, do you want me to not respond? I can not respond if you don't like having to defend your opinion....but I kind of thought the forum was here for debate and discussion