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He has certainly regressed into the worst kind of troll.
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Originally Posted by Beanz
He has certainly regressed into the worst kind of troll.
Hi Miles :OhNo: . Thanks for the dislike. Never thought you cared so much.
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Originally Posted by Beanz
Alpha doesn't give a shit about actual flights into space, real math and science dealing with scale, differences between night and day and how a rotating spherical shape is the only way to explain it, hundreds of thousands of flights around the world by countless people, etc. When it's brought up to him, he ignores it.
Alpha looks at water in a glass, sees it's flat, and figures the Earth is flat. Oh.... and calls it "science." You bring up real science... he keeps babbling about the damn glass.
Not content with denying real science, he denies every important historical event of significance.
To anyone who disagrees, he lobs insults, because that's what trolls do.
Pity the poor children who almost have to put up with that shit.
:lol: Ha ! Genius Miles you then disliked my post about your dislike.
So Miles, less of this :duel33: and more of this :smilie_whisper: eh?
I posted a Thom Yorke / Radiohead thing on the music thread specifically for you the other day and then you crawled back and disliked the tune below it ;D
Anyway hello :wavey:
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Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
He has certainly regressed into the worst kind of troll.
Alpha's not a troll, he comes here because he's a boxing fan, he just happens to have some quirky opinions about non-boxing stuff. He responded to being laughed at by laughing at what he perceives as blind ignorance.
It's clearly just as frustrating for him as it is you.
Come on man ..' quirky opinions ' ? ;DQuote:
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Originally Posted by Beanz
He has certainly regressed into the worst kind of troll.
Alpha's not a troll, he comes here because he's a boxing fan, he just happens to have some quirky opinions about non-boxing stuff. He responded to being laughed at by laughing at what he perceives as blind ignorance.
It's clearly just as frustrating for him as it is you.
I love his boxing posts and am more than happy for anyone to have even the most diametrically opposite opinion but when you then refuse to debate that opinion and resort to calling people schills, muppets, saying their life must be a mess they are chumps etc and then bring up Gandalfs racist Bell curve IQ nonsense you can't really pretend you are wanting to share an opinion or engage in a debate anymore. When you then complain about people actually having the temerity to disagree with really offensive bullshit like the Jews gassed themselves and lets all feel sorryfor the SS, you may not be a troll but you are hardly just a regular Saddo poster sharing an opinion. You are poking people with a stick and then moaning when they tell you it is not a good look.
https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/9/1...ony-flat-earth
This article seeks to explain the apparent, recent surge in flat Earth theorists. I found the following excerpts interesting:
"Also, the feeling of reading about a conspiracy theory is kind of like the sensation of watching Mr. Robot, says Mark Fenster, an expert in government transparency at the University of Florida law school and author of Conspiracy Theories: Secrets and Power in American Culture. That show, and the thrillers and mystery novels that preceded it, play with the idea that “you have a certain set of understandings and beliefs that you are taught and that you believe are true, but in fact, if you actually look closely at them and understand the truth of the matter, those beliefs are proven to be false. That is — in a fictional universe — extremely enticing and extremely exciting. It can be a source of fun.”
As for people who actually believe in flat Earth theory, Fenster says, you can’t really change their minds with photographic evidence or mathematical proof of a round Earth. To believe in a theory like this one, you have to go way, way past the normal threshold for questioning expertise and “hierarchies of intellectual knowledge.” It’s fun for us to have our perceptions pulled apart in fictional thrillers and mysteries, but we consider a narrative satisfying only when it also offers a way to put things back together. People who believe in flat Earth have already decided that the world around them can’t possibly be what it seems, and so a conspiracy theory becomes “a nice way of efficiently explaining what would otherwise be a confounding world,” Fenster says.
The flat Earth theory is spreading online, and it’s hard to tell where the joke begins or ends."
Admittedly, it IS difficult to tell where the joke begins or ends. When encountering a flat Earth theorist, it's normal to initially think it's a joke. If someone tells you 9/11 was faked, or that the Holocaust didn't happen, you tend to take him/her more seriously, because they're questioning historical events. You may not agree and get into arguments, but it's easier to take them seriously. But a flat Earther is tougher to initially take seriously. The normal reaction is "You're joking.... right?" Once you've established the person is serious, that's when the arguing begins. But the initial reaction might involve ridicule, which is what angers flat Earthers. Alpha tried to be equanimous in the beginning of this flat Earth argument, but has quickly regressed into hurling insults.
Here's another interesting excerpt from the article:
"Schimkowitz understands that flat Earth trutherism isn’t as immediately dangerous as climate change denialism or the anti-vaccine backlash, but that doesn’t mean it’s totally harmless. “I think it is important to maintain a level of concern about [conspiracy theorists],” he says. “They do things that harm society as a whole, like negate or dilute scientific reason. That’s something that’s having profound impact on everyone. Looking at climate change denialism, that comes from just doubting the idea of expertise as a whole. Conspiracy theorists attack expertise.”
Though Schimkowitz is speaking only to his experience with conspiracy theories on 4chan and Reddit, sociologist Ted Goertzel, who specializes in researching scientific conspiracy theories at Rutgers, told me almost the exact same thing. The basic goal of a conspiracy theorist, he says, isn’t usually to prove that one specific theory is true or false, but “to prove that nothing is provable, that all assertions are arbitrary.” He, too, sees an obvious case study in the recent election cycle, arguing that this is the type of thinking that leads people to believe that absolutely everything is “arbitrary and manipulative,” and that anything they don’t agree with is “fake news.”"
So to the argument that flat Earthers are generally harmless, there is the counter argument that they aren't totally harmless. They're compared to climate change deniers, and are correctly called out as "attacking expertise." Expertise which is, as opposed to many theorists themselves, achieved through long years of scientific studies and experimentation.
I still think it's a psychological malfunction. :D
Oh and in case you did not notice. I started this thread because he refused to and very early in it expressed dismay that he had apparently been threatened.
And Alphs's avatar ?
I am sure it is just a coincidence :-\ ...Not
but it is the flag of the National Fascist party under Mussolini
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...PNF%29.svg.png
So he knows exactly what he is doing and all the talk of being rare as Unicorns is bullshit.
Bit off topic but his whole thing has me thinking about boxing itself. Think about it..who among us can actually touch the sport prior to the 60's or 50's? Everything is edited film footage, newspaper articles in random press from generation to generation, record books and historians. We once actually praised and valued learning 'history'???. Harry Greb..was he even a real boxer :scratchchin:. Raise your hand if you've actually seen fight footage? Any snippet of fight footage :cwm13:. Yet he's a great. And who trusts the old fight films prior to our first hand experiences. This is why so many act like boxing started on their day of birth maybe :p.
That is a good point you raise Spicoli, but I am talking science in here at the moment.
Tito continues to say science this and science that, so I'll just post this once again so we are all in agreement:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Du4M3g5WkAAvUBt.jpg:large
https://mainlyboxing.files.wordpress...al-science.png
This can also serve as a response to Smash, I'm guessing that you didn't watch the vid I posted regarding the debunking of that Hawkins PBS how? The one where they are trying to treat people as stupid. Anything he did in regards to the natural sciences, where the experiments or phenomena can be observed and completed in the natural world, I'm cool with. Outside of that it just pseudoscience, assumptions, assertions, formulas and equations. And as pointed out above, formal science is only a tool, it's not empirical science.
I find it hilarious how triggered these other 2 clowns got after I threw some of the insults back their way. Remember, I tried to remain civil, while continually receiving insults. So suck it up cupcakes. The Zionist shill complains about not debating, sorry Beanz, I was happy to have a discussion at first, you started with the insults, so that's where the discussion ended for me. And Tito refers to me as a troll after his constant insults, this imbecile is deluded.
Now Beanz you say the 8 inches per mile squared measurement is wrong, I agree, because the earth doesn't curve. But what you posted is a misrepresentation of what I said. I said that is the official narrative for the curvature, from any point on a sphere. So from any point it has to curve away, geometry dictates this. So tell me, how much does the earth curve in inches over a 1 mile distance?
And why is the guy in your image looking down? Shouldn't he be looking straight ahead, you know out towards the horizon.
I also note that you failed to reply to my question about the surface of the water in your previous link. Are you claiming the surface of that water not to be flat (level)?
Also to my avatar image, it's called a Fasces, and I am interested in the symbol because it seems to appear all over the place throughout history, right back to antiquity. Again you are making incorrect assumptions, proving yourself a complete buffoon:
https://mainlyboxing.files.wordpress...6&h=225&zoom=2
https://mainlyboxing.files.wordpress.com/2019/02/f1.png
https://mainlyboxing.files.wordpress.com/2019/02/f3.png
https://mainlyboxing.files.wordpress.com/2019/02/f2.png
https://mainlyboxing.files.wordpress.com/2019/02/f6.png
So buckle up snowflakes because the fun is just beginning. And again, I'm still waiting on something quantifiable for this fantasy globe earth you have been sold.
http://theconversation.com/how-to-re...p-though-95160
"How to reason with flat earthers (it may not help though)"
Good read. One of the underlying points being that #1 you shouldn't attempt to convince a Flat Earther.
But what I get from the article is that when push comes to shove, the onus is on the Flat Earthers to PROVE the Earth is flat. Not with cockamamie, wannabe "science" experiments.
Doesn't matter how many times our resident Bozo Alpha cuts and pastes the same science definitions from Wikipedia.
Presenting faulty "proofs" and rejecting the millions of existing actual "proofs" and testimony of others..... WHO HAVE ACTUALLY FLOWN INTO SPACE.... doesn't cut it as far as proving the Earth is flat.
In any argument with a Flat Earther, they will demand that YOU prove to them the Earth isn't flat.
But the burden of proof is still on Flat Earthers like our resident clown Alpha, regardless of how offensive he now chooses to be.
Again..... pity the children who have no say-so in what their father is shoving down their throats.
Find one insult Alpha? Find one example of an ad hominem attack. You have a habit of just saying stuff and then assuming everyone but you is dumb. I don't make that mistake, i have no idea who is on the other side of a keyboard but the likelihood of a holocaust denier having a Fascist symbol as their avatar and then claiming it to be a coincidence are pretty slim odds.
You can't debate. You bring up stuff it gets roundly debunked and then you move the goal posts. You are seemingly incapable of accepting the fact that anyone could have any kind of expertise or more knowledge on any subject but you. And yet here you are quoting the encyclopedia Britannica from the 1800s and pretending that is why people believe the earth is not flat. You can't even face the evidence in the face. People are extending their hands to help you climb out of your pit of self defeating ignorance and you are telling them to fuck off as you dig deeper down ;D
https://nofascisminuscongress.files....linihitler.jpg
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How the HELL did you photoshop that postage stamp, Beanz??
:D
So give me 1 piece of scientific proof that you think proves the globe.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
I'm not the one claiming the earth is a globe. I am disputing that fact based on real science. So the claims of a globe need to be proved with actual real science, otherwise they are not real, just assumptions, assertions, formulas and equations.
The fact that you keep mentioning space shows that you haven't any idea of what you are talking about. Watch the last vid I posted, it will explain the lie you have been sold. And if you disagree, then all you need to do is prove a practical experiment that shows how you can have a higher pressure, beside a lower pressure, without the higher pressure moving into the lower one without a barrier of some sort. So be easy, so prove it.
You are making assumptions here Tito, I explain to my kids what I know to be true based on real natural science, it's up to them to research further and decide for themselves. I don't force anything on them. I'm not sure if you have kids, but I'm sure you would force your beliefs in god on them as if it is a proven fact. See the difference? I know the difference between a belief and a proven fact.
I am saying we have been deceived, with programming and indoctrination.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
I've told you why I have that avatar, it goes back well before any of the crap you are referring to. But believe want you want.
You haven't debunked a thing yet.
Are you claiming thee water in the image of your link is not flat (level)?
How much is the earth curving in inches per mile? It has to be curving genius, if it's a sphere. I didn't say that's why people know the earth is flat. They know it's flat because of the tangible, quantifiable substances in this reality.
I'm not sure what you mean by "the fact that anyone could have any kind of expertise or more knowledge on any subject but you", every globe denier knows the heliocentric model and it's claims inside out, we have to. That doesn't mean others have not researched it as well. But if they have they will see through all the holes, and the facts that it is not based on actual science.
Still nothing quantifiable?
I don't have to explain shit. I'm not the one trying to debunk the most accepted of truths.
YOU explain the sun setting to us. Or rising. Sorry, but the model of a gyrating sun above the Flat Earth doesn't cut it.
YOU explain why daylight travels throughout different Earth locations, and why people speaking to each other on the phone (you believe in those, right?) can vouch for the differences in different parts of the world.
You don't believe in space. You don't believe a plane can circle the Earth. You obviously don't believe in satellites, or anything that's up in space.
You dismiss very basic geometries of scale when talking about curvature.
You continue to regurgitate the same tired "experiments" with containers of water.
YOU explain to US why the Earth is flat, and make it believable.
I'll stop with the ridiculing when you stop with the insult-hurling. You've gone downhill before our very eyes.
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AcademicFrailEft-small.gif
Iceberg my ass. Damn thing got too close to the edge.
Poor bastards. :D
You can't explain sh-t. Because you have never researched it. Not even your own heliocentric model that cling to so tightly. It's a religion to you. You have no actual science to back it up. So you must believe blindly in what you have been sold.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
I am denying the globe (the official narrative that was taught to all of us), and by doing so, using actual science, quantifiable, tangible substances in this reality, I am able to prove that earth is demonstrably level and that space as it's sold to us, does not exist.
I have explained to you how perspective works and how others have tried to present these on some sort of FE model. But it's a strawman, how does the sun setting or rising give you anything quantifiable of the terra firma beneath your feet?
You continue to mis quote me, I know a plane can circle the earth, going west to east or east to west.
Prove to me how we can have the claimed vacuum of space beside our atmosphere, with no barrier, and the higher pressure of our atmosphere not move to the lower pressure. You know, thermal dynamics.
You are the one denying basic geometry. A sphere will always be curving. Show me an experiment where water is able to conform to the exterior of a shape. You can use any sized body of water you like, it doesn't need to be a container. But the fact is that you can't understand the natural physics of water in this reality.
If insult hurling is indicative of going down hill, then you were already there. You say I regurgitate things, but you fail to understand the simplistic of things, even when they are pointed out to you repeatedly. And also continue to preach what your priests have taught you, although you have clearly not researched any of what you have been told.
And again here you are prattling on about an edge, something that was programmed into you and nothing you reasoned for yourself. Have you been to this edge you talk of? Got any evidence? Another strawman, and again nothing quantifiable.
I remember you stating you weren't interested awhile back, but you seem more than willing to jump in a throw around your own insults. Don't force that belief you have in god on your kids as fact, explain to them that there is no empirical evidence and that they should do there own research, as it's only a story and you can't prove it to them. That's what a responsible adult would do. But your an indoctrinated fool, so I'd expect you to force indoctrination on your kids as well.
Here's something to think about with your precious satellites:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkwQXane82Q
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Originally Posted by Alpha
This is all we need to know.
Thanks.
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Originally Posted by Alpha
You're fucking kidding me, right?
The sun sets and rises over the horizon.
Where does it go?
You gonna explain that? Or you gonna post your shitty science definition again?
I'm only engaging you for my own amusement, and because I'm killing off some idle time.
You're engaging because you're not very bright, but it's very amusing for me, so thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
You're fucking kidding me, right?
The sun sets and rises over the horizon.
Where does it go?
You gonna explain that? Or you gonna post your shitty science definition again?
I'm only engaging you for my own amusement, and because I'm killing off some idle time.
You're setting up a strawman again Tito, can you really be this dumb? So you see the sun rising and setting over the horizon, which you claim is the curvature? I have already told you that it is due to perspective, also that the sun appears the be close and local. Think about it like placing a camera on a flat stretch of road and having someone walk away from you, you will notice they disappear from the bottom up.
Now can you tell me how seeing the sun rise/ set (which is a visual phenomena) can give you anything quantifiable for your claimed curvature? Do you understand what quantifiable means? Lets use measurable instead. Can you tell me how, by seeing with your eyes the sun rise or set, can give you anything measurable of this claimed curvature?
Again you refused to provide a practical demonstration of how our atmosphere can remain beside a vacuum, like it would have to beside your religious idea of space. Hopefully you searched thermal dynamics and learned something about these laws.
Don't bother replying until you have something quantifiable for your globe.
Here's some advise, instead of watching your next football game, watch this vid and learn something about how we see. It is a little long, I admit, but instead of dumbing yourself down even further, instead watch something that you can learn from:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVAWQGlXRWg&t=965s&index=2&list=PLN5Wknu3v CaSlsvnW8TQ0x5o7PqiWisM2
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Originally Posted by AlphaYou're engaging because you're not very bright, but it's very amusing for me, so thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
You're fucking kidding me, right?
The sun sets and rises over the horizon.
Where does it go?
You gonna explain that? Or you gonna post your shitty science definition again?
I'm only engaging you for my own amusement, and because I'm killing off some idle time.
If you're gonna insult me, at least be original. Nothing worse than a pathetic, unoriginal forum clown.
You're setting up a strawman again Tito, can you really be this dumb? So you see the sun rising and setting over the horizon, which you claim is the curvature? I have already told you that it is due to perspective, also that the sun appears the be close and local. Think about it like placing a camera on a flat stretch of road and having someone walk away from you, you will notice they disappear from the bottom up.
The sun "disappears" over the horizon, peabrain. It isn't your "glass of water" vintage experiment. It's an observation shared by everyone except your own delusional self. Where does it go? On the other side of the disk?
Now can you tell me how seeing the sun rise/ set (which is a visual phenomena) can give you anything quantifiable for your claimed curvature? Do you understand what quantifiable means? Lets use measurable instead. Can you tell me how, by seeing with your eyes the sun rise or set, can give you anything measurable of this claimed curvature?
Seeing the sun set/rise doesn't in itself prove curvature. It only begs the question as to what happens to it. Again moron... does it hide under the disk-like Earth? Quantifiable? Yeah, that's the number of neurons inside your empty skull. I'd guess half a dozen, and I'm being kind.
Again you refused to provide a practical demonstration of how our atmosphere can remain beside a vacuum, like it would have to beside your religious idea of space. Hopefully you searched thermal dynamics and learned something about these laws.
Don't bother replying until you have something quantifiable for your globe.
I'll post when I want and where I want. Isn't that what you told Beanz? Besides, as long as you keep up the insults, I'll keep up mine. Only I'll add ridicule to it, something you must already be used to. Telling ya..... I didn't know Flat Earthers were so goddamn feisty.
Here's some advise, instead of watching your next football game, watch this vid and learn something about how we see. It is a little long, I admit, but instead of dumbing yourself down even further, instead watch something that you can learn from:
I've learned everything I need to learn, but thanks. If I need more knowledge, I'll certainly look for it in places other than the crackpot Flat Earth meetings I'm sure you religiously attend. Again, I pity your children. Having a father worthy of ridicule.
We can keep at this interminably. Or we can just ignore each other. Your choice.
You started it all globetard, remember? You are the one that keeps returning, even tho you have nothing to offer. At least try to research your own argument, so you have some idea what you are talking about. All you are doing now is showing your stupidity. You have nothing quantifiable for your globe, just a religious belief that you were taught. But I guarantee you'll be back to try to have the last say, it's like a mental illness, I've seen you do it many times where you can't just let it go. But at least when you comeback please, I'm begging you, try to have something quantifiable to argue for your globe. We all know you won't. There will be insults, and a lot of BS, 1 thing there won't be is anything quantifiable of the globe claim you are defending. I happy to stop insulting you, but remember you started it, thought it was fine, now your crying like a lil bitch because your getting a taste of your own medicine. So if you want to stop, then fine, I'll oblige. If not, I'm more than happy to keep handing your ass to ya ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by AlphaYou're engaging because you're not very bright, but it's very amusing for me, so thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
You're fucking kidding me, right?
The sun sets and rises over the horizon.
Where does it go?
You gonna explain that? Or you gonna post your shitty science definition again?
I'm only engaging you for my own amusement, and because I'm killing off some idle time.
If you're gonna insult me, at least be original. Nothing worse than a pathetic, unoriginal forum clown.
A clown who knows the difference between science and pseudoscience.
You're setting up a strawman again Tito, can you really be this dumb? So you see the sun rising and setting over the horizon, which you claim is the curvature? I have already told you that it is due to perspective, also that the sun appears the be close and local. Think about it like placing a camera on a flat stretch of road and having someone walk away from you, you will notice they disappear from the bottom up.
The sun "disappears" over the horizon, peabrain. It isn't your "glass of water" vintage experiment. It's an observation shared by everyone except your own delusional self. Where does it go? On the other side of the disk?
So you can speak for everyone on earth can you? What an idiot. Who mentioned anything about the other side of the disc? Why are you trying to set up another strawman? Do your research on what you are arguing against. Don't ask me why. Again arguing from ignorance. Poor lil guy.
Now can you tell me how seeing the sun rise/ set (which is a visual phenomena) can give you anything quantifiable for your claimed curvature? Do you understand what quantifiable means? Lets use measurable instead. Can you tell me how, by seeing with your eyes the sun rise or set, can give you anything measurable of this claimed curvature?
Seeing the sun set/rise doesn't in itself prove curvature. It only begs the question as to what happens to it. Again moron... does it hide under the disk-like Earth? Quantifiable? Yeah, that's the number of neurons inside your empty skull. I'd guess half a dozen, and I'm being kind.
So nothing quantifiable again? Maybe if you did some research on what you are trying to argue against you might learn something about the world you live in.
Again you refused to provide a practical demonstration of how our atmosphere can remain beside a vacuum, like it would have to beside your religious idea of space. Hopefully you searched thermal dynamics and learned something about these laws.
Don't bother replying until you have something quantifiable for your globe.
I'll post when I want and where I want. Isn't that what you told Beanz? Besides, as long as you keep up the insults, I'll keep up mine. Only I'll add ridicule to it, something you must already be used to. Telling ya..... I didn't know Flat Earthers were so goddamn feisty.
You started with the insults, so now you can deal with them. We have already proven how stupid you are. But like the zombie you are you keep coming back to get spanked. With nothing quantifiable to back up your arguments. Just blind faith. I really feel sorry for your family, having to live with someone so ignorant.
Here's some advise, instead of watching your next football game, watch this vid and learn something about how we see. It is a little long, I admit, but instead of dumbing yourself down even further, instead watch something that you can learn from:
I've learned everything I need to learn, but thanks. If I need more knowledge, I'll certainly look for it in places other than the crackpot Flat Earth meetings I'm sure you religiously attend. Again, I pity your children. Having a father worthy of ridicule.
Don't worry about my kids, like I said, I tell them what I know and let them research and decide for themselves. Unlike yourself who would need to force indoctrination on yours.
We can keep at this interminably. Or we can just ignore each other. Your choice.
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Originally Posted by AlphaYou started it all globetard, remember? You are the one that keeps returning, even tho you have nothing to offer. At least try to research your own argument, so you have some idea what you are talking about. All you are doing now is showing your stupidity. You have nothing quantifiable for your globe, just a religious belief that you were taught. But I guarantee you'll be back to try to have the last say, it's like a mental illness, I've seen you do it many times where you can't just let it go. But at least when you comeback please, I'm begging you, try to have something quantifiable to argue for your globe. We all know you won't. There will be insults, and a lot of BS, 1 thing there won't be is anything quantifiable of the globe claim you are defending. I happy to stop insulting you, but remember you started it, thought it was fine, now your crying like a lil bitch because your getting a taste of your own medicine. So if you want to stop, then fine, I'll oblige. If not, I'm more than happy to keep handing your ass to ya ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by AlphaYou're engaging because you're not very bright, but it's very amusing for me, so thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
You're fucking kidding me, right?
The sun sets and rises over the horizon.
Where does it go?
You gonna explain that? Or you gonna post your shitty science definition again?
I'm only engaging you for my own amusement, and because I'm killing off some idle time.
If you're gonna insult me, at least be original. Nothing worse than a pathetic, unoriginal forum clown.
A clown who knows the difference between science and pseudoscience.
You're setting up a strawman again Tito, can you really be this dumb? So you see the sun rising and setting over the horizon, which you claim is the curvature? I have already told you that it is due to perspective, also that the sun appears the be close and local. Think about it like placing a camera on a flat stretch of road and having someone walk away from you, you will notice they disappear from the bottom up.
The sun "disappears" over the horizon, peabrain. It isn't your "glass of water" vintage experiment. It's an observation shared by everyone except your own delusional self. Where does it go? On the other side of the disk?
So you can speak for everyone on earth can you? What an idiot. Who mentioned anything about the other side of the disc? Why are you trying to set up another strawman? Do your research on what you are arguing against. Don't ask me why. Again arguing from ignorance. Poor lil guy.
Now can you tell me how seeing the sun rise/ set (which is a visual phenomena) can give you anything quantifiable for your claimed curvature? Do you understand what quantifiable means? Lets use measurable instead. Can you tell me how, by seeing with your eyes the sun rise or set, can give you anything measurable of this claimed curvature?
Seeing the sun set/rise doesn't in itself prove curvature. It only begs the question as to what happens to it. Again moron... does it hide under the disk-like Earth? Quantifiable? Yeah, that's the number of neurons inside your empty skull. I'd guess half a dozen, and I'm being kind.
So nothing quantifiable again? Maybe if you did some research on what you are trying to argue against you might learn something about the world you live in.
Again you refused to provide a practical demonstration of how our atmosphere can remain beside a vacuum, like it would have to beside your religious idea of space. Hopefully you searched thermal dynamics and learned something about these laws.
Don't bother replying until you have something quantifiable for your globe.
I'll post when I want and where I want. Isn't that what you told Beanz? Besides, as long as you keep up the insults, I'll keep up mine. Only I'll add ridicule to it, something you must already be used to. Telling ya..... I didn't know Flat Earthers were so goddamn feisty.
You started with the insults, so now you can deal with them. We have already proven how stupid you are. But like the zombie you are you keep coming back to get spanked. With nothing quantifiable to back up your arguments. Just blind faith. I really feel sorry for your family, having to live with someone so ignorant.
Here's some advise, instead of watching your next football game, watch this vid and learn something about how we see. It is a little long, I admit, but instead of dumbing yourself down even further, instead watch something that you can learn from:
I've learned everything I need to learn, but thanks. If I need more knowledge, I'll certainly look for it in places other than the crackpot Flat Earth meetings I'm sure you religiously attend. Again, I pity your children. Having a father worthy of ridicule.
Don't worry about my kids, like I said, I tell them what I know and let them research and decide for themselves. Unlike yourself who would need to force indoctrination on yours.
We can keep at this interminably. Or we can just ignore each other. Your choice.
Globetard?!? LMFAO!! You use the same terminology that can be found with a cursory look through the Internet. You talk like all the Flat Earthers. Use the same flawed (cough) logic..... laughingly call it (gasp) science..... and use the same language as your little deluded society. LMAO. How utterly pathetic are you boy? I'm not gonna try and convince you the world is not flat. Keep on believing. Oh..... I started it? LMAO again. You gonna tell on me after recess? God almighty.... what a character you've turned out to be. It's entertaining to be sure, in a pathetic, sad little way. You're handing my ass to me? What..... with your glass of water observations? HAHAHA..... stop it bro. You're embarrassing yourself. Got another good one for you.
https://i.redd.it/zn1me0qj13s01.jpg
But go ahead. Humor us with your "science". Wink, wink.
Can someone please break down how to correctly insert a GIF? Currently I have 71 the way this thread is going ;D.
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I don't recall Alpha answering to this. A lot is made of the horizon, especially out at sea. But the fact of the matter is that large ships disappear from view anywhere between 10-15 miles from shore, given that you're standing at sea level. Considering we can see up to 20 or so miles on a clear day, what would explain ships disappearing from view? I've read all about bending light and optical illusions, but in reality there is no real explanation for why would a ship disappear from view after sailing a certain distance from shore. If you're gonna scoff at bending water on a globe, then at least offer a plausible and credible explanation for ships disappearing over the horizon. On a flat earth, we'd see the ship until visibility prevented us from seeing further.
Also offer reasonable alternatives to explain gravity, or whatever name the flat earthers want to give that force that keeps us grounded. At least the sphere has a center point, from which the entire surface is perpendicular. Thus, everything falls straight down. A flat earth keeps us grounded.... how? Where is this pull coming from? A bunch of parallel lines across the surface of the Earth? The sphere makes more sense as far as gravity pull is concerned.
Offer reasonable alternatives to explain night and day and how the division moves across the Earth. Flat Earthers explain it with a sun that circles above the Earth, lighting areas as it passes overhead. What forces keep the sun rotating in such a manner? Why are some areas dark if the sun is always above the surface of the Earth? Again, the sphere model explains night and day much better.
The Flat Earthers main beef is the water staying on a curved planet. A spinning ball. Saying that gravity holds the water against the surface just doesn't cut it. They use micro experiments to try and explain a macro phenomenon. I think that's flawed, but no one will ever convince Flat Earthers otherwise.
Here's the deal.
Round Earthers probably shouldn't ridicule Flat Earthers for their opinions. But the opposite holds true as well. Alpha saying he KNOWS the Earth is flat, while the rest of us can only THINK the Earth is round, is tantamount to ridicule and dismissal. This sets off the whole back-and-forth, enough of which we've had on plenty of other subjects. News flash: Not everyone that believes the Earth is round is a sheep, believing whatever they tell us. There is plenty of logical arguments for a round Earth.... just depends on the color of the glass through which you look at it.
Said this before and I'll say it again. Someone comes at you with a 9/11 conspiracy theory, and you believe they're being serious right away. So the argument begins right away. With Flat Earthers, it's so odd to the rest of us, that the initial reaction is one of... "You're joking, right?" When it becomes apparent they're not, that's when the insults start flying and everything goes downhill from there (and keeps on rolling until it disappears over the curvature of the Earth). We can hardly be blamed for the initial reactions.
Interesting, never realised that, thought it was something from GoT or that playstation game you all love.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
There's a reason Neil deGrasse Tyson refuses to debate flat-earthers and likewise Dawkins won't entertain creationists (and a reason flat-earthers believe they're paid up government liars). I'm probably a little naive but if holocaust deniers/fascists really expected to be taken seriously surely they wouldn't express the belief in every conspiracy known to man? Surely that separates them from David Irving types?
Tito and Alpha never had a bad word on the boxing forum. Now look at them? I knew where it was heading that's all. Now I have no problem with the "insults" as long as they're enjoying themselves and nobody starts crying about bans and reporting posts :)
I commented on Beanz' link. The first problem is the person staring down. Go have a look for yourself, when you stare out straight at the horizon, it rises to your eye level. It will always be slightly below because the ground it closer to us than the sky above. I also mentioned placing a camera on a flat street and having someone walk away from it. You will see they disappear from the feet up. It's called perspective.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Beanz
I don't recall Alpha answering to this. A lot is made of the horizon, especially out at sea. But the fact of the matter is that large ships disappear from view anywhere between 10-15 miles from shore, given that you're standing at sea level. Considering we can see up to 20 or so miles on a clear day, what would explain ships disappearing from view? I've read all about bending light and optical illusions, but in reality there is no real explanation for why would a ship disappear from view after sailing a certain distance from shore. If you're gonna scoff at bending water on a globe, then at least offer a plausible and credible explanation for ships disappearing over the horizon. On a flat earth, we'd see the ship until visibility prevented us from seeing further.
Shall we just leave out the water part of it for now, as we both know how the natural physics of water work in this reality. Or do you have a practical example demonstrating how water can conform to the exterior of a shape?
Also take a look at 1 of the last vids I posted about seeing to far. I have actually done a few observations myself over an 11 mile stretch. I also posted an infrared vid awhile back that saw mountains over 123 miles. All this stuff should be hidden by miles of claimed curvature. I think there is also a Guinness book of records for longest photo or something, that is like 275 miles.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DyHDQepVAAAPF4X.jpg
Take a look if you can at that vid I posted about how we see, and how things disappear from the bottom up.
Since you brought up gravity can you tell me what sort of gravity you are talking about? Newtonian or Einsteinian?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Mass attracting mass, or the movement of space and time?
It sounds like you are referring to Newtonian, so I'll ask where do we observe this in nature. Can you give me an example of an experiment that proves this gravity? And please don't bring up the Cavendish experiment. On a flat plane there is only 1 direction, and that is down. Things fall down based on density.
There are many FE models out there that explain how the sun and moon work. Take a look, do some research. And decide for yourself. I understand their models but like I have said many times, I don't advocate any, as looking at the sky gives us nothing quantifiable of the ground beneath our feet. It also creates a strawman argument.
I'm a globe denier, and by questioning the claims of the globe I have found it to be demonstrably level.
Water covers over 70% of the earths surface. We know how the natural physics of water work, if you claim it can do something else, then that needs to be proved, in this reality. Otherwise it's just a claim. Research gravity with an open mind. Find out how opposed it has been. It's a weak force, but strong enough to hold trillions of gallons of water onto a sphere? Einsteins relativity basically superseded Newtons, but look into it and see what other great minds refused to recognize it. And again, instead of proving that the ether didn't exist, he just disregarded it.
It's the same with the atmosphere. If the globe claim is that our pressurized atmosphere can remain, with no barrier, right beside a claimed vacuum, then again that claim needs to be proven, in this reality. Because we know that's not how gases and particles work on earth. Which is what we are talking about.
Look I'm not trying to convince anyone, I'm only stating what I know to be true, by using the tangible substances in this reality. When you really start researching what we have been taught, you find that all of it is based on assumptions. Not actual science.
Also if you get the chance watch the movie The Principle, it shows that even the scientist aren't sure about if the sun is moving around us. But that's what it seems to suggest. But I already believe this to be true.
Look at this. Not really exact science is it.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dyhg684VYAAmugk.jpg
But like I say, do your own research, even if you don't research FE, at least research the heliocentric model, so you can full understand the claims that are being made.
This like dark matter and dark energy are things they have needed to add to the story, as they found it wouldn't work without it. Again, stuff with no actual scientific experiments, just math, equations and assumptions. Just like they had to add the tilt of the earth, and gravity before that. You really think no one before Newton saw something fall down? Or no one before Columbus, decided to sail west for roughly 1700 years.
We can agree to disagree, if you research the heliocentric model and still wish to believe in the globe, that's fine with me. Unfortunately for myself, I know that it's not true based on denying the claims of the globe. I would love nothing more than to come back behind the curtain and watch the show with the majority (the world is a theater after all) but once you see, you can't unsee.
Again I don't try to convince others, I just state what I know to be true. Proven with actual science. There is no need for anyone to try and convince me, but at least try to convince yourself of the model you have been taught. There are no sides in this. In my opinion objective reality is not up for debate. All I ask is don't follow blindly, prove every claim of the globe to yourselves.
But stay away from those that will tell you what is what, learn it for yourself. There are a lot of deceivers out there. The information is out there, take it upon yourself to find out where we are and what we are on.
Your last post sounded like a sort of olive branch, so I'll take the higher road and refrain from the continued insults.
There are a heap of conspiracies I don't believe. Aliens for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterInteresting, never realised that, thought it was something from GoT or that playstation game you all love.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
There's a reason Neil deGrasse Tyson refuses to debate flat-earthers and likewise Dawkins won't entertain creationists (and a reason flat-earthers believe they're paid up government liars). I'm probably a little naive but if holocaust deniers/fascists really expected to be taken seriously surely they wouldn't express the belief in every conspiracy known to man? Surely that separates them from David Irving types?
Tito and Alpha never had a bad word on the boxing forum. Now look at them? I knew where it was heading that's all. Now I have no problem with the "insults" as long as they're enjoying themselves and nobody starts crying about bans and reporting posts :)
They need to change the name as well. I have no secret plan, with others to do something unlawful or harmful.
When you stare at the horizon, you may very well be looking down because as you said, the person’s eye level height above the ground needs to be factored in. However, when observing objects such as ships disappearing over the horizon, as your angle of sight has remained constant, it doesn’t change the fact that you’re watching a disappearing (from view) ship. Your angle of sight is the same for when you see the ship and when you don’t, thus it cancels out of the equation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
It’s tough to leave water “out of it”, because there are relatively few places where you can true “flat” terrain on which to carry out observations like you can with water. The fact of the matter is that if the Earth was truly flat, ships wouldn’t “disappear” after a 10-mile distance. If you go into the discussion with the preconceived notion that an ocean cannot conform to a spherical surface, I believe you’re violating your own desired scientific posture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Your personal observations at an 11-mile distance prove exactly what? At that distance the curvature is just over 80 feet. If you can still see something, such as a mountain, from an 11-mile distance, I should hope you’re looking at a mountain over 80 feet tall. The infrared video that allegedly sees mountains over 123 miles away I presume is something you posted and not your own. The word “allegedly” was put there for a purpose. Using your own logic, unless you have proof of 123-mile or 275-mile photographs, using irrefutable experiments carried out by you, I’m afraid I’d have to put those into question also.Quote:
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Stating that things disappear from the bottom up is hardly a condemnation on Earth’s curvature. That’s how it would seem logical for things to disappear into the horizon… from the bottom up. Maybe I misunderstood your claims here.Quote:
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When I refer to gravity I refer to Newtonian gravity. The type we were all taught in school which, I know, you scoff at as being led around like sheep. Let’s just say it’s the only type of gravity most of us understand. Example of an experiment that proves Newtonian gravity? No… I don’t know of any. Other than the typical experiments showing objects falling in a vacuum, where the mass is not a factor in the acceleration of the fall. Other than that I’m afraid it’s just plain ol’ observation. I’ll just take Newton’s word for it, I guess. I don’t do bending of space and time very well, so that’s another reason to stick to Newton. By the way, things moving in any direction are indicative of a force acting on them. Density is not a force.Quote:
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The sun and moon is where we totally part ways. You claim “there are many FE models out there that explain how the sun and moon work”, but you don’t go into any of them. You and I both know that claims of a gyrating sun above a flat Earth without any force to keep it on a circular path is automatically “inferior-sounding” to the conventionally accepted concept of a globe orbiting a sun of much greater mass. Add the moon to these FE models, and you’ve got something the Flat Earthers have struggled to explain. You can't just say, "oh... the Earth orbiting the Sun can't be because the Earth isn't round... but a Sun circling overhead with no proven force keeping it on its circular orbit makes much more sense."Quote:
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Your take on atmospheric pressure is confounding to say the least. First of all, you’ve stated that “space is FAKE”. So what are we talking about here? To begin with, we’re discussing something you’ve already dismissed as fake, so the argument begins with that asterisk. Ignoring that, air pressure is a gradient. We don’t have a pressurized atmosphere and then all of a sudden….. OOPS….. we’re in the vacuum of space….. where’s the vessel wall?? It’s a gradient. As such, you have gradually decreasing air pressure until there’s no pressure at all. What holds the atmosphere to the Earth? Yes….. gravity. Atmosphere contains air…. air molecules create pressure.Quote:
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What you saw in my last post was an attempt to swerve the conversation from the pointless, endless, destructive tack is was taking. Someone had to stop the proceedings, right?Quote:
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You have terrible taste in music. This is a better song than both of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seNrC4_5Xxs
Sorry Tito, had to create a new post, we had too much in our previous re-quotes.
When you stare at the horizon, you do not look down, otherwise you would be staring at the ground. You stare out to the horizon, horizon meaning horizontal. Not down.
Ships disappear because of perspective, when you see railway tracks disappearing to a vanishing point, or street lights getting smaller the further they go away from you, or a hallway, they are no getting smaller or disappearing over curvature, they are moving away from you.
You can't say in 1 post that the earth is so big we can't see any curvature, and then in another that we see ships go over the horizon, which you claim is curvature. If you are at the beach and see a ship go over your claimed horizon, if you fix that point where you claim it's going over the curvature, then rise to a higher altitude and view the horizon from there, the horizon will rise to your eye level ( I have also done this experiment 3 times at different locations, using a level at both heights). Now geometry dictates that this is not possible on a sphere. If the point you are claiming to is the curvature (horizon) where the ships are disappearing, then at a higher altitude, it is impossible for that point to rise up to the observers eye level.
I was leaving water out for you. It's a globe killer for me. Are you denying the natural physics of water?
With my own 11 mile observations, yes there were some mountains and buildings, but the point is that under the right atmospheric conditions, I could see the beach on the opposite coast and also trees and bushes, that should have been hidden by the curvature. The point is that with these observations, is that you can do them yourself. You can observe, measure, test, and others can repeat them.
So we don't observe 'gravity' anywhere in nature and there is no experiment you can provide to show that it exists? Although when I provide you with the natural physics of water, you refuse to accept them?
I never claimed density was a force. I said this fall down because that s the only direction and things fall because they are dense. Things that are more dense will fall faster because the air around them can't support them.
The sun follows a solstice. The Babylonians were fantastic astrologers, even to the point of being able to predict eclipses. They also believed the earth to be flat. I believe the sun and moon move around the earth. And as I have said, aside from our physical senses, the science now seems to realizing this as well. We don't really know what these are, apart from what the agencies and less than 500 people are telling us. I admit there are some issues with some of the models, but in saying that there are also issues with the heliocentric model. From what I have researched, it works better on a flat plane. Also like I have said previously, looking at the sky gives us nothing quantifiable of the ground beneath our feet. You and I will never go to space, and will probably never know anyone who has. We also can't get up there to move around 3 dimensionally to see how it all works. So it's all really observation, nothing we can experiment with.
This video is a bit long, but it's very good for getting an understanding of the luminaries on a flat earth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjOCCOlx1Y4&t=393s&index=27&list=WL
I have stated space is fake as it's being sold to us. The claim is that it's a vacuum, unlike anything we can recreate on earth. So my question to you is how do you create pressure (like our pressurized atmosphere) without some sort of surface, membrane, barrier, container, whatever you want to call it? I understand that we are taught that the air pressure is a gradient, but it's still a higher pressure, even at it's lowest point than a vacuum. Now the laws of thermal dynamics state that hot will go the cold, and higher energy will go to low. This is a fact, and again is observable in everyday nature. Example, your cup of hot coffee, the hot goes to out into the cold. You will never see a cold cup of coffee turn hot. So firstly you need to answer how you can create pressure without a surface, and then explain how a higher pressure (even at it's lowest, is still more than a vacuum) does no disperse into the lower area. And again, with your claim of gravity, it' something we don't observe in nature. And you can't provide an experiment that proves it? Think about it, gravity is considered a weak force, think of a static balloon lifting up paper clips for example, but it's strong enough to hold trillions of gallons of water to the surface of earth, but not strong enough to pull say a sand fly to the surface as well.
So we have no measurable or viewable curvature.
We know how the natural physics of water work in this reality.
We don't observe gravity in nature.
We can't create pressure without a surface.
A higher pressure will always move into a lower pressure.
There are quite few major flaws in the globe claims for me.
I hate Muse ;D but horses for courses. I know i have dined out on it for years and I am pretty sure I mentioned it before but in the early 1990's because they are from up the road they supported the Band/Collective I was in at the time in Plymouth. From the green room upstairs we could hear how tight they were, but fuck me they very derivative even back then. They went before we played too which was pretty bad form. Nobs (: Anyway they have got technically even better but creatively much worse :-XQuote:
Originally Posted by GandalfYou have terrible taste in music. This is a better song than both of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seNrC4_5Xxs
So our opposing party fighting the evil trump are working on some great legislation.
The 'Green New Deal,' an ambitious package of environmental ideas proposed Thursday by Democratic Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York and Democratic Sen. Ed Markey of Massachusetts, is a House resolution just 14 pages in length that suggests a framework for future policy.
Included in its wish-list are a transition to 100 per cent electric cars and replacing all airplane travel with high-speed trains.
'That would be pretty hard for Hawaii,' Sen. Mazie Hirono, from the Aloha State, said Thursday.
The Obamacare law was 2,300 pages long when Congress passed it in 2010. Thursday's effort, although already backed by 60 House Democrats, would be non-binding if it passes.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dai...structure.html
The article goes on to say
Markey and Ocasio-Cortez wrote that they 'are calling for a full transition off fossil fuels and zero greenhouse gases.'
They acknowledge the difficulty with achieving a 'zero emissions' society in just 10 years, 'because we aren’t sure that we’ll be able to fully get rid of farting cows and airplanes that fast.'
All cows emit methane in their flatulence; 'getting rid of farting cows' suggests geting rid of all beef.
@Master or @Spicoli sorry but I meant to put this in the today in trump thread. Is it possible you guys or any mod could move this to it’s rightful place. If not I’ll redo it
Ha! I love it when you double post stuff mateQuote:
Originally Posted by walrus
and then in the wrong thread too ;D