You could be right, he wasn't slurring his words or anything but in the post fight and when the ref stopped it he was resembling a happy drunk :S he didn't really seem with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad_Dog
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You could be right, he wasn't slurring his words or anything but in the post fight and when the ref stopped it he was resembling a happy drunk :S he didn't really seem with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad_Dog
I think so too. Joshua's legs go and he takes a long time to get them back and Wilder likely hits harder and can turn up the windmill anytime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Wilder gets stick for losing rounds, but he has never lost rounds like Joshua did here. This was a young Wlad style stomp down.
It made me dream of a 36 year old Toney being back out there.
Watching that, I greatly underestimated ruiz, I hope p4pming(or whatever name he's logged in as) / ykkkkkfskamis and anyone else who thought ruiz could/would win, has a good laugh at my awful predictions that I made here, weird stoppage but he did great and won well...
I would also make usyk a favourite over Joshua.
I'll take Wilder v Ruiz if I'm honest and wouldn't write him off now. Joshua proved pretty mechanical in reactions but he's at the bottom of the 4 for meQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingI'm guessing his mouth was on autopilot there. He's got to be devastated about this. Joshua now looks eminently beatable. Fury and Wilder look to be the men in the division now. I'd pick both of them over Joshua now although I had Fury beating him before this fight anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
oshua will not fancy the rematch. Ruiz will be in better shape (that's the wrong word for Ruiz but you know what I mean) and he goes in knowing he can win. Joshua will be terrified to throw a punch and Ruiz will be waiting to counter anything he throws. Even if Joshua wins every heavyweight out there will be wanting a chance to crack that chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliI'll take Wilder v Ruiz if I'm honest and wouldn't write him off now. Joshua proved pretty mechanical in reactions but he's at the bottom of the 4 for meQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingI'm guessing his mouth was on autopilot there. He's got to be devastated about this. Joshua now looks eminently beatable. Fury and Wilder look to be the men in the division now. I'd pick both of them over Joshua now although I had Fury beating him before this fight anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
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Almost Victor Ortiz-like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad_Dog
That chin and he hesitates a lot. Really was on display here, didn't expect a bit of reluctance with Ruiz pressing him back all night.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laingoshua will not fancy the rematch. Ruiz will be in better shape (that's the wrong word for Ruiz but you know what I mean) and he goes in knowing he can win. Joshua will be terrified to throw a punch and Ruiz will be waiting to counter anything he throws. Even if Joshua wins every heavyweight out there will be wanting a chance to crack that chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliI'll take Wilder v Ruiz if I'm honest and wouldn't write him off now. Joshua proved pretty mechanical in reactions but he's at the bottom of the 4 for meQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingI'm guessing his mouth was on autopilot there. He's got to be devastated about this. Joshua now looks eminently beatable. Fury and Wilder look to be the men in the division now. I'd pick both of them over Joshua now although I had Fury beating him before this fight anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
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Joshua did win rounds there though and in a rematch and chosen ref who won't let Ruiz work and an octopus game plan they might be able to do something. Plus the judges here seemed a bit iffy too. I would want Ruiz to win, but you never know. Joshua did make very poor mistakes here especially after the first KD and that is something that can be worked on. Distance, jab to body, movement, but Ruiz will stalk him and once those hands flow, you never know.
I was kind of waiting for an legitimate excuse from AJ. Every body shot looked like it really hurt him. He never recovered from the third round and was gassed. I guess he just legitimately lost. I try not to read too much into one loss but he was not impressive tonight
He's going to hesitate a lot more now. He's going to fight like Klitschko from now on, he's never going to have confidence in his chin again. Wasn't it Sultan Ibragimov that Klitschko fought in New York and it was the most boring fight ever? The rematch will look like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliThat chin and he hesitates a lot. Really was on display here, didn't expect a bit of reluctance with Ruiz pressing him back all night.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laingoshua will not fancy the rematch. Ruiz will be in better shape (that's the wrong word for Ruiz but you know what I mean) and he goes in knowing he can win. Joshua will be terrified to throw a punch and Ruiz will be waiting to counter anything he throws. Even if Joshua wins every heavyweight out there will be wanting a chance to crack that chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliI'll take Wilder v Ruiz if I'm honest and wouldn't write him off now. Joshua proved pretty mechanical in reactions but he's at the bottom of the 4 for meQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingI'm guessing his mouth was on autopilot there. He's got to be devastated about this. Joshua now looks eminently beatable. Fury and Wilder look to be the men in the division now. I'd pick both of them over Joshua now although I had Fury beating him before this fight anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
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Joshua won't give him any free shots in a rematch. We know he can do twelve rounds when he hasn't been clocked. Might easily be a twelve round borefest with the little fat guy throwing hooks that miss by a mile at the plodding jabber.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
What you can't work on is being completely fucked up by a punch to the head to the point where you gradually disintegrate and can't last the pace even if you do recover. And you can't prevent that eating away at you mentally day after day for the rest of your career.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
If anything Ruiz showed he can force the exchanges and it'll be more up to Joshua to set down, mentally and otherwise, on the right hand and know they're coming back. Ruiz did pretty good at getting small inside with quick shots and got Joshua rolling straight back standing tall for the longer stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingJoshua won't give him any free shots in a rematch. We know he can do twelve rounds when he hasn't been clocked. Might easily be a twelve round borefest with the little fat guy throwing hooks that miss by a mile at the plodding jabber.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I think Ruiz can do it again, but there were a lot of things Joshua did wrong and mostly after the KD. He seemed to be fine until then. With a reach advantage alone all he has to do is bore with the jab and really dig in for clinches if Ruiz gets close. That worked at times here. But once he gets tagged and that is likely, then the same pattern likely returns. Joshua messed up big here. It makes the division far more interesting though.
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Originally Posted by Ron SwansonGood odds are not reason for bad bets.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherRuiz doesn’t have great power though. I just think that there’s no way Ruiz wins. I don’t see the knockout and even if he bests AJ, he won’t get the decisionQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al18/1 Ruiz by ko , hmm may go for a late win at those odds.Quote:
Originally Posted by nuggetdotcomBet365 has ruis 125/1 for the first 2 rounds then 150/1 thereafter. The combination round odds don't work out maths wise as good value, so I just had a £ a round.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Ruiz does have a good chin and engine £20 on that isn't a bad flutter.
Thankyou for the advice ron . lol
I think Joshua had that in the bag when he knocked down ruiz but then he fell into the old trap made for euro heavyweights, got to be exciting and get the highlight KO to crack America, he got a bit lazy with his defence and let ruiz right back into it and the fat git capatilized really well, the second knockdown was the one that killed Joshua....
I'd expect Joshua to win the rematch but ruiz proved me and many others wrong, that git really can fight, he countered excellently.
t'll be hard for him to get past that jab though if Joshua keeps it at distance. Ruiz definitely will fancy beating him again though and he knows how to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliIf anything Ruiz showed he can force the exchanges and it'll be more up to Joshua to set down, mentally and otherwise, on the right hand and know they're coming back. Ruiz did pretty good at getting small inside with quick shots and got Joshua rolling straight back standing tall for the longer stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingJoshua won't give him any free shots in a rematch. We know he can do twelve rounds when he hasn't been clocked. Might easily be a twelve round borefest with the little fat guy throwing hooks that miss by a mile at the plodding jabber.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
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He'd seen Wilder come up with a highlight reel first round sparking and wanted to make a statement too. Next thing he doesn't know where he is. If I was Wilder I would be making that point right now. Wilder was definitely partly responsible for Joshua getting caught like that. I would be saying that anyway if I was Wilder. I would be beating the shit out of Joshua mentally on an ongoing basis about that if I was Wilder or Fury. I checked their twitter posts and Fury is being all sportsmanlike and gracious and Wilder is very subdued for him. I would be laughing my head off on video and telling him I'm going to take his head off and I would have posted it five minutes after he lost. I'd be on about my fifth video by now.Quote:
Originally Posted by palmerq
I’m a big AJ fan and this was heartbreaking to watch. I was yelling for Joshua to get his fuckin hands up n bring them back to his face after punching. Also to fucking punch! Jesus what a shocker. Seen Ruiz fight live in Fresno last year against Kevin Johnson, whom went the distance but 4 years ago was destroyed by Joshua in 2 rounds! Hoping Joshua can come back from this and hasn’t lost his hunger. He looked passive in there at times n behaved bizarrely after the fight. Classy but odd. Good for Ruiz as he’s a class act himself. Honestly though, I’m gutted.
Deontay Wilder
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He wasn’t a true champion. His whole career was consisted of lies, contradictions and gifts.
Facts and now we know who was running from who!!!!
#TilThisDay
This is what happens when you prepare for one guy and another shows up full of fight. this has happen before. the loss is no big deal. A rematch will put the whole issue to bed. No doubt people will over reacted.
Here for my crow. I think this is the most wrong I’ve ever been. I accept that with all the smack anyone wants to throw at me. It’s well deserved
I hope you’re right.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbig1
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Originally Posted by KickMuck
Wilder blew the chance to 'expose' him. So, too, did Fury, what a shame these guys stepped down and allowed Ruiz to step up. Well, next up to get knocked down? Fury, then Wilder!!!!!!
After the third round I thought back to this. Hopefully you did put some money down. Haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlQuote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonGood odds are not reason for bad bets.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherRuiz doesn’t have great power though. I just think that there’s no way Ruiz wins. I don’t see the knockout and even if he bests AJ, he won’t get the decisionQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al18/1 Ruiz by ko , hmm may go for a late win at those odds.Quote:
Originally Posted by nuggetdotcomBet365 has ruis 125/1 for the first 2 rounds then 150/1 thereafter. The combination round odds don't work out maths wise as good value, so I just had a £ a round.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Ruiz does have a good chin and engine £20 on that isn't a bad flutter.
Thankyou for the advice ron . lol
Me and you both. Well basically everybody. I did not see that coming. At best I thought Ruiz could make it uncomfortable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Either he hits hard or Joshua is dodgy around the whiskers.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherRuiz doesn’t have great power though. I just think that there’s no way Ruiz wins. I don’t see the knockout and even if he bests AJ, he won’t get the decisionQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al18/1 Ruiz by ko , hmm may go for a late win at those odds.Quote:
Originally Posted by nuggetdotcomBet365 has ruis 125/1 for the first 2 rounds then 150/1 thereafter. The combination round odds don't work out maths wise as good value, so I just had a £ a round.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Ruiz does have a good chin and engine £20 on that isn't a bad flutter.
Joshua's last bad performance as such was Takam. I think he needs a full camp focused on one fighter to fight well.
His chin is fine. Got up from wlad who puts people to sleep and recovered Vs whyte
Truth is your chin is only fine until the point that it isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by oakleyno1
Ffs I didn’t wake up and missed it.
Just watched now but knew result.
Amateurish from Joshua when he went for the kill in round 3 but fair play to Ruiz, didn’t give up and stood his ground.
AJ was gassed and out of ideas - maybe he never recovered from that first knockdown - but he quit at the end and didn’t want to go on.
Like it how Hearn assumes the rematch will be in the UK ??
Only the greatest of heavies have come back from ko losses and re established themselves. IMO AJ is not in that league but he could prove us wrong.
He’s lost something over the past few fights we all saw it. Tonight it was exposed
I agree , everyone he fights now will be winging bombs at the static chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
I can't stop watching it. Fuck me. Not every day you get an upset like this in the heavyweight division. I nearly didn't watch it too.
After the third round he was fucked. Just pawing away with that jab. I've got to think Ruiz is favourite for the rematch.
Never really looked visibly hurt did he.
But did look tired and clueless
His chin didn't let him down, he's been caught and rocked by left hooks since the amateurs (Whyte, Klit, Povetkin). This time he didn't get away with it.
The 3 piece close combos got Joshua repeatedly. AJ jab was on but he was tossing singles and over thinking it. Big Hoss landed the clean double left hook pulling back that initially sent him reeling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
He certainly won't be going to Miami again. The lovely weather and "environment" are a little different to Sheffield. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by oakleyno1
Fourth fifth and sixth rounds it was a keep away from me jab. He couldn't keep his hands up. The third round wrecked him. The ref did him a hell of a favour stopping him when he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliThe 3 piece close combos got Joshua repeatedly. AJ jab was on but he was tossing singles and over thinking it. Big Hoss landed the clean double left hook pulling back that initially sent him reeling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Wasn't that long ago, this headline appeared
Joshua warns Wilder, Fury: I'm still getting better
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