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This article too tries to paint a racist angle as it is The Guardian, but if blacks did not have loans then why would they have had issues paying off loans prior to 2008? They had loans and I would argue loans that probably should not have been made all too often.
If you are bad with money your credit rating is bad and if you are good then it is good. I suspect that because blacks have more poverty partly due to broken families being 74% of all families then it is inevitable that life is harder. Credit is a nasty temptation, but it is there. The US is flooded with it. Better to be denied in some ways!
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...cist-heres-why
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AJ has lost loads of fans over his racist remarks
But you still get the job. You still get the loan. You still get the house. You still get the car. You can still travel anywhere in the world and racially speaking you'll have zero problems.
So tell me how is AJs alleged racism affecting whites ?
Plus I find this ironic when race is more important than money to many whites. I'm pretty sure you know that whites will hire whites with a criminal record than black ppl who are clean.
I'm pretty sure you know that.
If black people produced a car, most whites would not buy that car, no matter what. Lets just start talking real.
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you only have to look on social media to see that the vast majority are routing for Fury to beat him.
Most ppl were rooting for Fury anyway.
Master, why on earth have you liked this post? It is full of nonsense.
Before the 2008 crash plenty of black people and indeed white people, who really should not have been getting loans, did indeed get their loans. And what happened? It crashed the economy. We should not give loans easily to people.
Also, what is this thing about getting a job? Dennis you have said several times that you do well, so who exactly is denying you this mysterious job? Have you lost the job?
Do you honestly think people think about who made the car? I am sure plenty of black people work in car factories and people still buy the car. If you want a black car company then maybe a black person could set one up. I would buy it if it was affordable and efficient, but please no bling as that is distasteful.
The part about the car was nonsense. The part about the houses and loans is all too real.
You need to re-examine your views, Miles.
Restrictions were put on house ownership in many U.S. cities which kept blacks from owning homes..... and many of these restrictions persevered well into the 20th century.
Why do you think blacks traditionally occupy the worst neighborhoods? Why do you think the percentage of home ownership by blacks is so low as compared to whites?
As much as some would like to bury the past and pretend it never happened....... it's not possible.
I am talking about pre 2008, Tito. Many loans were given to people who couldn't really afford them when the tide turned. I don't really approve of loans and only do it myself if I know the risk is tiny. I would have never agreed to the kinds of mortgages people were choosing and banks were preadting with, but that is me.
People could get loans but they were unfavorable. Now there I would point out what I would call racism, but blacks could indeed get loans, but they wouldn't be good one's. I am not sure why an income of 200 grand a year would even need a loan, but again that is my mentality as I am good with money. I would just save for a few years and buy within my price range, but people and their 20 year mortgages.
It was a factor for sure and the issue was people taking on loans that were not good loans. You need to read the small print. Banks were very naughty. Not just homes but many kinds of loan. Not a fan of loan culture myself.
https://www.citylab.com/equity/2013/...ing-boom/6559/
I think we're going off on a tangent here. Denilson's point was the historical disparities in home ownership between blacks and whites. Much of this is due to restrictions on deeds which existed in the books until well into the 20th century. This is a major factor in the horrific disparities we see today. Much of the segregation still existing in U.S. cities is due to factors such as these. This has nothing to do with favorable and unfavorable loans and banks being naughty. "Blacks could indeed get loans"? Sorry... history doesn't back you on that.
Emily Badger shows that blacks were indeed getting loans and they were not very good loans in the run up to 2008. They were more likely to be denied than whites and to be subprime, but blacks have been able to get mortgages and don't forget a mortgage is only one form of loan. There are MANY types of loan be it a car loan, credit card, pay day lender, pawn shop.
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Why are we still talking about 2008, Miles?
Frankly (and I don't care what Emily Badger whoever she is says)...... it's like we're talking two different languages right now. I'm struggling to maintain a cordial tone, but it's mind-boggling how I keep mentioning discrimination against blacks in home ownership going all the way up to the mid to late 20th century......... and you keep on talking about 2008 and good loans and bad loans.
History shows that blacks were denied home ownership in many cities well into the 20th century and this has caused the wide disparity we see today.
Can we get off types of loans, credit cards, and pawn shops already?
Dennis mentioned homes among other forms of loan, Tito. It is not only about mortgages. If you are struggling to remain cordial despite no rudeness coming your way, then I recommend a hearty cup of tea and some fresh air. You will be fine.
Are we not in agreement that US law prohibits discrimination against obtaining credit based on race and that for a number of decades black Americans have been taking on a variety of loan types?
Can we not agree on that? I accept that there were issues affecting granny, but for Tyler, 45, it is a different rulebook.
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Miles... I hate to be the bearer of bad news... but you do seem in fact racist. Make of that what you will.
I've been pretty patient in trying to explain some facts to you, but you seem bent on your "single mothers" crusade, and have this maddening need to boil down everything into neat little bundles based on some preconceived notions you hang on to like a hungry dog with a steak.
https://www.mappingprejudice.org/what-are-covenants/
I urge you to read up on discriminatory practices of the past that persisted well into the last century and have denied blacks their rightful place among the nation's homeowners.
Take off your blinders and open your eyes to knowledge you may not have. It's the best way to expand your mind and increase your awareness.
Damn it dude...... from the beginning you have been chafing at the criticisms of George Floyd's murder..... preferring instead to focus on the rioting and the looting, rather than focusing on the vast majority of the people peacefully protesting this endless police racial profiling and brutality.
What's it gonna take to take the blinders off?
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A final point is that Dennis made a very vague post with no specifics there. You want to go back a century, I am just more in the world as we have it with black President types, black householders, black with credit cards and credit histories. It is the world we are in.
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Are we not in agreement that US law prohibits discrimination against obtaining credit based on race and that for a number of decades black Americans have been taking on a variety of loan types?
Can we not agree on that? I accept that there were issues affecting granny, but for Tyler, 45, it is a different rulebook.
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"The Minnesota Legislature prohibited the use of racial restrictions in warranty deeds in 1953. But covenants remained commonplace in much of the nation until 1968, when the Fair Housing Act made them explicitly illegal."
1968 Miles.......... 1968.
Maybe a lifetime ago to you..... but certainly recent enough to represent not decades, but CENTURIES of discrimination on something as important as home ownership.
Now..... if you can't see how this is proof enough of the damage done to the black community over time, and the effect it still has on the proportions of home ownership in America......... I don't know what else to say to you.
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Miles... I hate to be the bearer of bad news... but you do seem in fact racist. Make of that what you will.
I've been pretty patient in trying to explain some facts to you, but you seem bent on your "single mothers" crusade, and have this maddening need to boil down everything into neat little bundles based on some preconceived notions you hang on to like a hungry dog with a steak.
https://www.mappingprejudice.org/what-are-covenants/
I urge you to read up on discriminatory practices of the past that persisted well into the last century and have denied blacks their rightful place among the nation's homeowners.
Take off your blinders and open your eyes to knowledge you may not have. It's the best way to expand your mind and increase your awareness.
Damn it dude...... from the beginning you have been chafing at the criticisms of George Floyd's murder..... preferring instead to focus on the rioting and the looting, rather than focusing on the vast majority of the people peacefully protesting this endless police racial profiling and brutality.
What's it gonna take to take the blinders off?
I don't really care if me saying blacks for decades have been getting loans gets me falsely accused of being a wacist Tito.
I don't really care if not enjoying the sight of looting or indeed the killing of a retired decent black police officer gets me falsely accused of being a wacist either.
It is emotive, shallow, discourse shutting down nothingness and means little.
Long live James Toney who I am sure got a loan.
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I'm all for looking toward the future and not dwell on the past.
Which is why I came out immediately and forcefully in the forum AGAINST reparations for slavery as a bad idea.
But facts are facts.
You can't just close your eyes and wave away a couple of centuries of racial discrimination which has kept the black race down..... while blaming black social issues on bad fathers and single mothers. It doesn't work that way.
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Are we not in agreement that US law prohibits discrimination against obtaining credit based on race and that for a number of decades black Americans have been taking on a variety of loan types?
Can we not agree on that? I accept that there were issues affecting granny, but for Tyler, 45, it is a different rulebook.
From the article:
"The Minnesota Legislature prohibited the use of racial restrictions in warranty deeds in 1953. But covenants remained commonplace in much of the nation until 1968, when the Fair Housing Act made them explicitly illegal."
1968 Miles.......... 1968.
Maybe a lifetime ago to you..... but certainly recent enough to represent not decades, but CENTURIES of discrimination on something as important as home ownership.
Now..... if you can't see how this is proof enough of the damage done to the black community over time, and the effect it still has on the proportions of home ownership in America......... I don't know what else to say to you.
How does that affect Tyler, 45? Did he not get a loan for his car? Or a bad mortgage? 50 years Tito. Goodness me, and why am I racist for stating that blacks can, do and have been getting mortgages and loans for a long time now? š¤
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Miles... I hate to be the bearer of bad news... but you do seem in fact racist. Make of that what you will.
I've been pretty patient in trying to explain some facts to you, but you seem bent on your "single mothers" crusade, and have this maddening need to boil down everything into neat little bundles based on some preconceived notions you hang on to like a hungry dog with a steak.
https://www.mappingprejudice.org/what-are-covenants/
I urge you to read up on discriminatory practices of the past that persisted well into the last century and have denied blacks their rightful place among the nation's homeowners.
Take off your blinders and open your eyes to knowledge you may not have. It's the best way to expand your mind and increase your awareness.
Damn it dude...... from the beginning you have been chafing at the criticisms of George Floyd's murder..... preferring instead to focus on the rioting and the looting, rather than focusing on the vast majority of the people peacefully protesting this endless police racial profiling and brutality.
What's it gonna take to take the blinders off?
I don't really care if me saying blacks for decades have been getting loans gets me falsely accused of being a wacist Tito.
I don't really care if not enjoying the sight of looting or indeed the killing of a retired decent black police officer gets me falsely accused of being a wacist either.
It is emotive, shallow, discourse shutting down nothingness and means little.
Long live James Toney who I am sure got a loan.
Well as long as we know where each of us stands, Miles Duke. ;) ;)
And no... Toney has never needed a loan what with all the money he made off boxing. Good thing too...... as the poor bloke can barely speak intelligibly and I'm pretty sure that's a prerequisite for a loan.
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I'm all for looking toward the future and not dwell on the past.
Which is why I came out immediately and forcefully in the forum AGAINST reparations for slavery as a bad idea.
But facts are facts.
You can't just close your eyes and wave away a couple of centuries of racial discrimination which has kept the black race down..... while blaming black social issues on bad fathers and single mothers. It doesn't work that way.
Black families were stronger 50 years ago. The decay has been since the welfare state which has eroded personal responsibility. The problems today are the result of poor decisions by spoiled people who know freebies are there without needing responsibility. That automatically creates poverty? How do I know? I have been there too. Many whites have the same issues which have compounded over the same period.
Rather than teach hatred of others for one's own failings one needs to accept that things have gone wrong and to be better people. Is the UK historically like the US? No, so why are there the same issues with broken families and thug culture? Welfare state and broken down family structures among other factors.
Self responsibility will go a long way. Maybe give youths some Peterson and start a journey of personal growth rather than develop a permanent chip on the shoulder about ancestors one never knew and a society that is better than most?
The law offers equality, so use it and give life a go. Don't copy the parents if bad, copy if good and go from there. This mindset of chaos and 'Ooh racist' will lead to nowhere good. You know better than that too.
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Miles... I hate to be the bearer of bad news... but you do seem in fact racist. Make of that what you will.
I've been pretty patient in trying to explain some facts to you, but you seem bent on your "single mothers" crusade, and have this maddening need to boil down everything into neat little bundles based on some preconceived notions you hang on to like a hungry dog with a steak.
https://www.mappingprejudice.org/what-are-covenants/
I urge you to read up on discriminatory practices of the past that persisted well into the last century and have denied blacks their rightful place among the nation's homeowners.
Take off your blinders and open your eyes to knowledge you may not have. It's the best way to expand your mind and increase your awareness.
Damn it dude...... from the beginning you have been chafing at the criticisms of George Floyd's murder..... preferring instead to focus on the rioting and the looting, rather than focusing on the vast majority of the people peacefully protesting this endless police racial profiling and brutality.
What's it gonna take to take the blinders off?
I don't really care if me saying blacks for decades have been getting loans gets me falsely accused of being a wacist Tito.
I don't really care if not enjoying the sight of looting or indeed the killing of a retired decent black police officer gets me falsely accused of being a wacist either.
It is emotive, shallow, discourse shutting down nothingness and means little.
Long live James Toney who I am sure got a loan.
Well as long as we know where each of us stands, Miles Duke. ;) ;)
And no... Toney has never needed a loan what with all the money he made off boxing. Good thing too...... as the poor bloke can barely speak intelligibly and I'm pretty sure that's a prerequisite for a loan.
Are you insulting James Toney? He is black. I am suspecting something. It must be his color! It must be! Racist! Racist! Racist! šš
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Miles... I hate to be the bearer of bad news... but you do seem in fact racist. Make of that what you will.
I've been pretty patient in trying to explain some facts to you, but you seem bent on your "single mothers" crusade, and have this maddening need to boil down everything into neat little bundles based on some preconceived notions you hang on to like a hungry dog with a steak.
https://www.mappingprejudice.org/what-are-covenants/
I urge you to read up on discriminatory practices of the past that persisted well into the last century and have denied blacks their rightful place among the nation's homeowners.
Take off your blinders and open your eyes to knowledge you may not have. It's the best way to expand your mind and increase your awareness.
Damn it dude...... from the beginning you have been chafing at the criticisms of George Floyd's murder..... preferring instead to focus on the rioting and the looting, rather than focusing on the vast majority of the people peacefully protesting this endless police racial profiling and brutality.
What's it gonna take to take the blinders off?
I don't really care if me saying blacks for decades have been getting loans gets me falsely accused of being a wacist Tito.
I don't really care if not enjoying the sight of looting or indeed the killing of a retired decent black police officer gets me falsely accused of being a wacist either.
It is emotive, shallow, discourse shutting down nothingness and means little.
Long live James Toney who I am sure got a loan.
Well as long as we know where each of us stands, Miles Duke. ;) ;)
And no... Toney has never needed a loan what with all the money he made off boxing. Good thing too...... as the poor bloke can barely speak intelligibly and I'm pretty sure that's a prerequisite for a loan.
Are you insulting James Toney? He is black. I am suspecting something. It must be his color! It must be! Racist! Racist! Racist! šš
Pretty sure they'd have Slur-to-English translators on hand at the bank though. As you say, banks are "naughty" and at the ready to take your business.
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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand TITO gets the 2020 Patience Award. Tito, eres un hombre mucho mas mejor que yo. A REAL saint right there. I couldn't do it.
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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand TITO gets the 2020 Patience Award. Tito, eres un hombre mucho mas mejor que yo. A REAL saint right there. I couldn't do it.
I tried bro.... I really did. Thought I could bring him back from the dark side.
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LMFAO!!!!!!
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I am on the side of hope. People who want kids can do so with love and those that cannot should just not bother. But all should respect the right to live freely without discrimination and without harm to others. Let those who choose poorly go their way. Let those who try either rise or fall trying. Let everyone find a place on the ladder of life.
I don't think people should face more interest on a loan unless they are a high risk and US law prohibits discrimination based on race.
What more can I do but say truthfully that blacks do get loans. Of those rejected I suspect many are unreliable and that yes there is likely some prejudice. I would like that to be stopped. Thus I cede a point as I am not particularly racist.
History is history. 150 years ago my great, great, great gran was probably spinning cotton 14 hours a day at 13 years of age and had 6 kids by the age of 26 and died of consumption at 42. I am not impacted by her trauma. Neither by my grandfather in WW2. I am affected only by my own experiences and whether one grows or not is a personal choice to make, but I do not believe we are condemned in the here and now because of the terrible oppression faced by my great, great, great gran who like all the working poor probably had a very bad diet and a low life expectancy. Going not all that far back in history we were all serfs and you just got on with it. We are privileged today and do not have those same problems. Anyone blaming their own failings on historic child labour is making excuses for their own inadequacies.
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I am on the side of hope. People who want kids can do so with love and those that cannot should just not bother. But all should respect the right to live freely without discrimination and without harm to others. Let those who choose poorly go their way. Let those who try either rise or fall trying. Let everyone find a place on the ladder of life.
I don't think people should face more interest on a loan unless they are a high risk and US law prohibits discrimination based on race.
What more can I do but say truthfully that blacks do get loans. Of those rejected I suspect many are unreliable and that yes there is likely some prejudice. I would like that to be stopped. Thus I cede a point as I am not particularly racist.
History is history. 150 years ago my great, great, great gran was probably spinning cotton 14 hours a day at 13 years of age and had 6 kids by the age of 26 and died of consumption at 42. I am not impacted by her trauma. Neither by my grandfather in WW2. I am affected only by my own experiences and whether one grows or not is a personal choice to make, but I do not believe we are condemned in the here and now because of the terrible oppression faced by my great, great, great gran who like all the working poor probably had a very bad diet and a low life expectancy. Going not all that far back in history we were all serfs and you just got on with it. We are privileged today and do not have those same problems. Anyone blaming their own failings on historic child labour is making excuses for their own inadequacies.
Things should be evaluated on their own merits. Some will fall on either side of the judgment line.
I don't champion nor applaud leaning too much on the past to get preferred treatment status or attempting to get a free ride. Thus my stance on slavery reparations.
Too much of a hassle.... too complex an issue.... impossible to make everyone happy..... more likely to make many people resentful..... and finally impossible to quantify, as no one is alive today on either side of the equation.
I also believe fully in individual accountability. Instead of blaming others (parents, ancestors, the white man) for your failures in life, pull yourself up and make something of yourself.
But to deny the existence of systemic discrimination for years and years and years, which has resulted in many of the disparities we see today........ that is nearsightedness, IMO.
Slavery may have been abolished in the 1800's, but discriminatory banking practices, as well as who knows how many other denied opportunities based on color, persisted until relatively recently.
And when made illegal, these practices are discontinued grudgingly. Just because the law tells you you can no longer discriminate against blacks for housing, education, etc..... it doesn't mean racism has been eliminated forever.
That ain't never gonna happen. Racism = ignorance... and I think it would be safe to assume there will be shitloads of ignorant people on this Earth until the end of time.
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I haven't denied history though have I? I simply pointed out that a lot has changed over more than half a century and that black people do have access to debt. There are laws in place meaning equality among races, but as to whether they are sufficiently enforced is not my realm. All I have said is that blacks have had access to those options and Denilson did list a number of debt options in that post. I am not sure why I am racist for saying that, but hey, your choice to go there. I was kidding about Toney of course who is of course always going to be a sexy hunk of a man. Nobody would deny that man anything. I would happily pay for his dinner even though it might be rather expensive.
I think racism exists in many forms and all around the world. For instance, no foreigner can buy property in India, but they flood the UK and buy up land there. I just think the generational suffering thing is a bit silly. Where I am the entire nation was torn to shreds through war, the poor would eat cats. My mother in law born a few years later will have experienced poverty, but there are no inter generational hang ups at work. Food was scarce, poverty was rife, but people knuckled on. No young person is blaming that for today, but they will blame current politics for less job opportunities or Corona for not being able to study in person. It is mostly the here and now and if a kids parents divorce young or whatever then inevitably that will affect them as that is a living evolving mind. But some black woman with 4 out of control kids and a 3 fathers and none of them around. Nah, she needs to own that situation.
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I haven't denied history though have I? I simply pointed out that a lot has changed over more than half a century and that black people do have access to debt. There are laws in place meaning equality among races, but as to whether they are sufficiently enforced is not my realm. All I have said is that blacks have had access to those options and Denilson did list a number of debt options in that post. I am not sure why I am racist for saying that, but hey, your choice to go there. I was kidding about Toney of course who is of course always going to be a sexy hunk of a man. Nobody would deny that man anything. I would happily pay for his dinner even though it might be rather expensive.
I think racism exists in many forms and all around the world. For instance, no foreigner can buy property in India, but they flood the UK and buy up land there. I just think the generational suffering thing is a bit silly. Where I am the entire nation was torn to shreds through war, the poor would eat cats. My mother in law born a few years later will have experienced poverty, but there are no inter generational hang ups at work. Food was scarce, poverty was rife, but people knuckled on. No young person is blaming that for today, but they will blame current politics for less job opportunities or Corona for not being able to study in person. It is mostly the here and now and if a kids parents divorce young or whatever then inevitably that will affect them as that is a living evolving mind. But some black woman with 4 out of control kids and a 3 fathers and none of them around. Nah, she needs to own that situation.
YOu miss this point: this is the key to proving your method is dead wrong: THAT WOMAN WHO "NEEDS TO OWN" HER SITUATION WAS A KID WHOSE PARENTS ABUSED HER/NEGLECTED HER/DIVORCED ETC, AND THEN IN YOUR OWN WORDS THAT WILL AFFECT HER INEVITABLY. YOu have a huge blind spot Miles, on this point. OUt of one side of your mouth you state it will inevitably affect her, and I would say PERMANENTLY DAMAGE HER JUDGEMENT AND CHARACTER. And out of the other side of your mouth you say she "NEEDS TO OWN" the situation. Total self-contradiction. What a blind spot. How can she "own" anything if she has been emotionally disabled by her experiences? YOu are blind, man. YOu cannot connect the dots, you argue in theoretical SNAPSHOTS, PLATITUDES.
IT IS LAME.
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You are being needlessly rude, but you make a valid observation. In my flippancy I also ignored my own arguments made repeatedly that a badly raised child will often copy the bad parents. This is why I say be a pointless hedonist, but if you don't want kids you can always choose a vasectomy. Or if you do then you can choose a partner well. We have condoms, the pill etc. So really there is no excuse for it.
I do think this is something made increasingly worse by welfare as historically you were not bailed out for personal irresponsibility. This bailing out of women who choose terrible men is exacerbated by welfare.
It is a dichotomy because in an ideal world people would play fair and not use children or be irresponsible. However, people do not play fair and their lust ends up getting rewarded and hurts children and this leads to social problems.
You were correct to make me expand on that point. I have a gay friend still living the playboy life. It is fine as there will never be kids, but is it good for your soul? That is more a Wildean Dorian Gray question.
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@TitoFan I did my best as well. Please, Send me the Patron Saint of Calascibetta. My grandparents' home town in Sicily. I am also a saint.
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You are being needlessly rude, but you make a valid observation. In my flippancy I also ignored my own arguments made repeatedly that a badly raised child will often copy the bad parents. This is why I say be a pointless hedonist, but if you don't want kids you can always choose a vasectomy. Or if you do then you can choose a partner well. We have condoms, the pill etc. So really there is no excuse for it.
I do think this is something made increasingly worse by welfare as historically you were not bailed out for personal irresponsibility. This bailing out of women who choose terrible men is exacerbated by welfare.
It is a dichotomy because in an ideal world people would play fair and not use children or be irresponsible. However, people do not play fair and their lust ends up getting rewarded and hurts children and this leads to social problems.
You were correct to make me expand on that point. I have a gay friend still living the playboy life. It is fine as there will never be kids, but is it good for your soul? That is more a Wildean Dorian Gray question.
Good post. š
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Thank you. In a way, apart from the racist nonsense, Joshua was partly arguing for the kind of things argued by Sowell. Sowell was of course once on the left and changed whilst an academic. An ideologue is unable to change, but a flexible mind is! Does he understand economics and history? Did he graduate from High School? You would imagine so. He would argue that prior to the 1960's black Americans were closing the economic gap at a tremendous rate and then the 1960's happened and the problem for black Americans became the welfare state and government interference. It reduced moral standards and created a culture of dependency. A kind of new slavery and with it entitlement, greed, and the loss of values that were once instilled by a stronger sense of family.
This is a great interview.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS5WYp5xmvI
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AJ has lost loads of fans over his racist remarks
But you still get the job. You still get the loan. You still get the house. You still get the car. You can still travel anywhere in the world and racially speaking you'll have zero problems.
So tell me how is AJs alleged racism affecting whites ?
Plus I find this ironic when race is more important than money to many whites. I'm pretty sure you know that whites will hire whites with a criminal record than black ppl who are clean.
I'm pretty sure you know that.
If black people produced a car, most whites would not buy that car, no matter what. Lets just start talking real.
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you only have to look on social media to see that the vast majority are routing for Fury to beat him.
Most ppl were rooting for Fury anyway.
Master, why on earth have you liked this post? It is full of nonsense.
Before the 2008 crash plenty of black people and indeed white people, who really should not have been getting loans, did indeed get their loans. And what happened? It crashed the economy. We should not give loans easily to people.
Also, what is this thing about getting a job? Dennis you have said several times that you do well, so who exactly is denying you this mysterious job? Have you lost the job?
Do you honestly think people think about who made the car? I am sure plenty of black people work in car factories and people still buy the car. If you want a black car company then maybe a black person could set one up. I would buy it if it was affordable and efficient, but please no bling as that is distasteful.
Master will never admit fault donāt bother he will rationalize and justify to the bitter end
As you can see that was Gandalf not me.
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AJ has lost loads of fans over his racist remarks
But you still get the job. You still get the loan. You still get the house. You still get the car. You can still travel anywhere in the world and racially speaking you'll have zero problems.
So tell me how is AJs alleged racism affecting whites ?
Plus I find this ironic when race is more important than money to many whites. I'm pretty sure you know that whites will hire whites with a criminal record than black ppl who are clean.
I'm pretty sure you know that.
If black people produced a car, most whites would not buy that car, no matter what. Lets just start talking real.
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smashup
you only have to look on social media to see that the vast majority are routing for Fury to beat him.
Most ppl were rooting for Fury anyway.
Master, why on earth have you liked this post? It is full of nonsense.
Before the 2008 crash plenty of black people and indeed white people, who really should not have been getting loans, did indeed get their loans. And what happened? It crashed the economy. We should not give loans easily to people.
Also, what is this thing about getting a job? Dennis you have said several times that you do well, so who exactly is denying you this mysterious job? Have you lost the job?
Do you honestly think people think about who made the car? I am sure plenty of black people work in car factories and people still buy the car. If you want a black car company then maybe a black person could set one up. I would buy it if it was affordable and efficient, but please no bling as that is distasteful.
Master will never admit fault donāt bother he will rationalize and justify to the bitter end
As you can see that was Gandalf not me.
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Joshua will have driven away alot of supporters with his support of black lives matter.
He may not care, but that will be evident the next time he fights.
People will see the police attacked and looting , this type of demo never goes peacefully.
For all good intentions mass protest brings out the idiots and thugs, that is evident on either the left or right.
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You know when people talk about black racism what they're really talking about is name calling.
Bcoz name calling is really the only negative thing blk ppl can do to whites n not be severely punished.
In fact even the most vicious blk racism is pretty impotent.
Let's just say AJ hates white people (which he clearly doesnt but just for arguments sake) and thinks whites should be killed.
But what kind of power does he have? None. He is in a position to kill no one, and if he were to try he would go to jail. Forever. Thatās not racism.
Racism is when you can deny people jobs, housing, health care, decent educations, or their physical freedom via the justice system, thereby wrecking their lives.
And there are no black folks in Europe or America who can do any of that.
But there are white folks in positions to do those things, and who do them regularly.
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If he killed a white man because he was white then that is probably the most obvious racism Dennis.
What do you think of Thomas Sowell? Is he racist or wrong un your view? Seems like one of the good ones in the crew to me.
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TitoFan I did my best as well. Please, Send me the Patron Saint of Calascibetta. My grandparents' home town in Sicily. I am also a saint.
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Actually you did a better job than me. ;D
You got him to say "... you make a valid observation..." and "... you were correct..." in the same post.
You seem to be more persuasive with Miles than me, and for that..... you are to be commended, my good man.
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Racism is when you can deny people jobs, housing, health care, decent educations, or their physical freedom via the justice system, thereby wrecking their lives.
And there are no black folks in Europe or America who can do any of that.
But there are white folks in positions to do those things, and who do them regularly.
When Denilson backs off his "every white person on Earth is a white supremacist" fantasy....... he makes a hell of a lot more sense.
This might be the first time ever I have liked one of his posts.
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What do you think of Thomas Sowell? Is he racist or wrong un your view? Seems like one of the good ones in the crew to me.
For people who don't know who Thomas Sowell is - Let me bring some clarity.
Thomas Sowell is a black man who is a senior fellow at The Hoover Institute which is a white supremacist think tank.
Thomas Sowell also thinks that the book "The Bell Curve" (The white supremacist bible which is a book that basically tries to prove how stupid blk ppl are) is a good well written book.
Thomas Sowell is retired and he's 90 years old. If he walked into an antique store they'd keep him.
He's made enough money from hustling the white supremacists by articulating their racist views for them.
It's the oldest play in the Book of White Eddicts: use a black man to condone and excuse or cover for racist actions by white people. Because if a black man agrees, it can't possibly be racist.
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You know when people talk about black racism what they're really talking about is name calling.
Bcoz name calling is really the only negative thing blk ppl can do to whites n not be severely punished.
In fact even the most vicious blk racism is pretty impotent.
Let's just say AJ hates white people (which he clearly doesnt but just for arguments sake) and thinks whites should be killed.
But what kind of power does he have? None. He is in a position to kill no one, and if he were to try he would go to jail. Forever. Thatās not racism.
Racism is when you can deny people jobs, housing, health care, decent educations, or their physical freedom via the justice system, thereby wrecking their lives.
And there are no black folks in Europe or America who can do any of that.
But there are white folks in positions to do those things, and who do them regularly.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dic...english/racist
Uh, thatās not what racism is according to the Cambridge Dictionary. In case you donāt want to open the link, I quote : āSomeone who believes that other races are not as good as their own and therefore treats them unfairlyā
Now AJās comments about Buying from Black shops and his retort to Eddie Chambers about the āSuperior Black raceā would definitely put him in the above bracket.
I like AJ , and I donāt really have much of problem with what he said, although I feel that he hasnāt been particularly advised well in this.
The thing is , WE ARE ALL RACIST TO A POINT. And anyone who says they arenāt is a cast iron fucking liar!
The problem is that some are more Racist than others and then it can explode unfortunately.
As a Human race , we are less Racist than we were 50 years ago , and they were less Racist than 100 years before that, and so on.
The World is learning (albeit unacceptably slowly.) itās not right, itās not fair, but itās reality.
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What do you think of Thomas Sowell? Is he racist or wrong un your view? Seems like one of the good ones in the crew to me.
For
people who don't know who Thomas Sowell is - Let me bring some clarity.
Thomas Sowell is a black man who is a senior fellow at The Hoover Institute which is a white supremacist think tank.
Thomas Sowell also thinks that the book "The Bell Curve" (The white supremacist bible which is a book that basically tries to prove how stupid blk ppl are) is a good well written book.
Thomas Sowell is retired and he's 90 years old. If he walked into an antique store they'd keep him.
He's made enough money from hustling the white supremacists by articulating their racist views for them.
It's the oldest play in the Book of White Eddicts: use a black man to condone and excuse or cover for racist actions by white people. Because if a black man agrees, it can't possibly be racist.
Shut the fuck up you absolute cunt.
You just chat shit and blurt out random bullshit.
No one cares what you think either so take your pity party elsewhere and fuck off.
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Shut the fuck up you absolute cunt.
You just chat shit and blurt out random bullshit.
No one cares what you think either so take your pity party elsewhere and fuck off.
Have you finished?
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smashup
Shut the fuck up you absolute cunt.
You just chat shit and blurt out random bullshit.
No one cares what you think either so take your pity party elsewhere and fuck off.
Have you finished?
Truth hurt ?
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Shut the fuck up you absolute cunt.
You just chat shit and blurt out random bullshit.
No one cares what you think either so take your pity party elsewhere and fuck off.
Have you finished?
Truth hurt ?
Yeah I'm devastated. I'm gonna need counselling.
