i've got devin ahead by four points after eight rounds
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i've got devin ahead by four points after eight rounds
gave devin the nineth
Ryan keeps on turning his back. Not sure of the strategy there. Haney rocked again in rd 10
devin down again early in the tenth. he survives the round
devin down again in the eleventh. i've got devin ahead by one point heading into the last round
gave ryan the twelfth. i have it a draw. take a bow king ry
I am humble enough to admit that I got this fight prediction totally wrong, I honestly thought Haney would be too much skill for Garcia. Added the antics and craziness by Ryan in the pre fight build up. I admit total prediction defeat.
one judge has it even. one judge has it by four rounds, the other has it by six points for the winner by majority decision. king ry. someone check on titofan
what a beating
Well , it’s official! I know fuck all about Boxing! Have to catch up with this later.
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I'm here, bro. (LOL)
Just waking up to this. Well I'll be damned...
There's no shutting up this kid now.
Obviously I didn't see the fight, so I can't comment on that. But the shock waves and effects on boxing as we know it will be anybody's guess. A borderline emotionally ill, entitled, prima donna, undisciplined (hence the 3.2 pounds overweight), totally unlikable kid... beats the guy who some, I dare say, had as close to p4p as maybe top 3 or something (not me).
IMO, it's a sad day for boxing. In fact, I may stay off Facebook for at least a couple of months.
The question is:
Is this vindication for the Princess?
Or an indictment on Haney?
i have to give ryan credit. almost no one gave him a chance. he blew the weight but devin agreed to the fight continuing so no excuses. i think it also highlighted the chink in devin's armour that we were all aware off. after seeing devin against regis he looked a lot sturdier so i wasn't expecting to see him go down like that. the decision could have gone either way so a rematch is warranted. golden boy should do king ry v conor benn next. reposting this ring coverQuote:
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Originally Posted by TIC
I'm here, bro. (LOL)
Just waking up to this. Well I'll be damned...
There's no shutting up this kid now.
Obviously I didn't see the fight, so I can't comment on that. But the shock waves and effects on boxing as we know it will be anybody's guess. A borderline emotionally ill, entitled, prima donna, undisciplined (hence the 3.2 pounds overweight), totally unlikable kid... beats the guy who some, I dare say, had as close to p4p as maybe top 3 or something (not me).
IMO, it's a sad day for boxing. In fact, I may stay off Facebook for at least a couple of months.
The question is:
Is this vindication for the Princess?
Or an indictment on Haney?
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I spent no time at all reading or watching anything about this fight. I was vaguely aware of the ongoing soap opera but wasn't interested enough to take any notice. Wasn't even planning to watch it but circumstances conspired and I did and it was a hell of a fight. Haney is no pushover but Garcia wrecked him. Whatever you say about Garcia he has talent and regardless of what he does outside the ring he was box office last night.
As far as the actual fight went Haney looked tiny next to him was the biggest thing I noticed. He'll fight Davis somewhere along the line now I'm sure and I'd put money on Davis knocking him out.
As far as the Garcia soap opera goes the kid has spent his entire life in boxing. He's made it to the top and knows it's a short career and wants to maximise his earnings. He's seen the kind of revenue the youtubers and other freak show people can generate from their social media followings and he's doing the same thing. Marrying actual elite level talent with all the social media circus stuff promises to make him enormous amounts of dollars and good luck to him.
Like I said I wasn't paying any attention to the fight. I assumed the kid was self destructing and I'm sure there's a grain of truth in that, I don't think his ongoing meltdown is entirely a con, and I thought Oscar was cashing in on him before he blew up completely. And that actually may be the case. I was looking at Fishnets's shit eating grin in the ring after the fight and wondering is this a guy who put all his chips on a last chance Hail Mary with a guy about to self destruct and it came off or somebody who knew his guy was fooling everybody. We'll find out eventually I'm sure.
Missed everything last night but did manage to get half the garage paneled and pork butt smoked :-X. So degenerative infancy conquers all it turns out. Without seeing the specs it sounds like power won over Haney who was throwing nerf balls and showed a pretty brittle beard. Haney kept getting up, Ryan kept putting him down and did not finish him but just as good with the beat up. The blown weight and glaring unprofessionalism are swept under the rug as if it never existed. And guys intentionally blowing weight as to not "drain" down for added advantage thus forfeiting titles is not a Ryan camp creation they're just another extension. The prefight BS and celebrated childishness remains what it was in my honest opinion and we're likely to see more of it. Yeah boxing :p. No idea where they go but it seems both might want to consider moving up. Again didn't see Haney in full fight or real time but sounds like he was pretty frail after the connects.
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Haney looks far too small for 140 never mind 147. When you see it you'll be shocked how small he looks. Any 140 pounder anywhere near the top of the rankings who is a monstor for his weight will be thinking I can't outbox him but I could walk right through him.
What precise part of the pig did you smoke and in what fashion?
He looked scary gaunt going into Loma I recall but calculated as Loma wasn't pitching bricks either. Still thought Loma edged that one but him going up was supposed to resolve his weight issue. Just can't see it getting better for him at 147 by any means. Seen some highlights this morning and off the first KD you could see that look...the wide eyed unfocused oh shit it's going to be a long night because I can't take that shot look. Yeh just basic butt/shoulder slow smoked, cajun rub, dijon, cinnamon and a pile of light toasted brioche rolls. Sauteed onion and slaw for the capper :-X. Meat prices have finally dropped locally!Quote:
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Haney looks far too small for 140 never mind 147. When you see it you'll be shocked how small he looks. Any 140 pounder anywhere near the top of the rankings who is a monstor for his weight will be thinking I can't outbox him but I could walk right through him.
What precise part of the pig did you smoke and in what fashion?
You should see his face after the last knockdown when he's sitting on his arse. Shame, embarrasment and seeing his ATGreatness flashing before his eyes as it disappears over the horizon and leaves a scared unhappy looking boy sitting on the canvas. His soul and his confidence gone for good. Very rare you get the hero to zero thing manifest itself so comprehensively in just a few short rounds. A truly dramatic fight. Garcia may turn out to really be a degenerate infant but the fucker can fight and his style is box office. Him and Davis make a good pair.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliHe looked scary gaunt going into Loma I recall but calculated as Loma wasn't pitching bricks either. Still thought Loma edged that one but him going up was supposed to resolve his weight issue. Just can't see it getting better for him at 147 by any means. Seen some highlights this morning and off the first KD you could see that look...the wide eyed unfocused oh shit it's going to be a long night because I can't take that shot look. Yeh just basic butt/shoulder slow smoked, cajun rub, dijon, cinnamon and a pile of light toasted brioche rolls. Sauteed onion and slaw for the capper :-X. Meat prices have finally dropped locally!Quote:
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Originally Posted by Spicoli
Haney looks far too small for 140 never mind 147. When you see it you'll be shocked how small he looks. Any 140 pounder anywhere near the top of the rankings who is a monstor for his weight will be thinking I can't outbox him but I could walk right through him.
What precise part of the pig did you smoke and in what fashion?
You should try doing this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WDI...el=TheCurryKid
You can make chicken like this:
https://i.ibb.co/g94wgVF/tandoori-chicken-1-11.jpg
Cover that chicken with lemon juice and it tastes spectacular. That would go down a storm in your neck of the woods, everybody will want to try the spicy red chicken. That's a chain of restaurants and/or food trucks just sitting there waiting to be had.
Ffs that's a lot of work talking electric drills, may as well break ground for the new garden project I've been putting off ;D ;). Does look like nice results though and sound diy plan. We attempted a quickie stone brick over some time ago with mixed results, the sealing being the major factor. Surely has to beat an air fryer which seems to be the new crutch for some meats. Ryan will def venture 147 and should now. They may want to full around with more CW half steps and can't see Davis over 140 but you never know. 147 is opening up now with Crawford and Spence exited, likely Boots Ennis as well, so he should jump right in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingYou should see his face after the last knockdown when he's sitting on his arse. Shame, embarrasment and seeing his ATGreatness flashing before his eyes as it disappears over the horizon and leaves a scared unhappy looking boy sitting on the canvas. His soul and his confidence gone for good. Very rare you get the hero to zero thing manifest itself so comprehensively in just a few short rounds. A truly dramatic fight. Garcia may turn out to really be a degenerate infant but the fucker can fight and his style is box office. Him and Davis make a good pair.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliHe looked scary gaunt going into Loma I recall but calculated as Loma wasn't pitching bricks either. Still thought Loma edged that one but him going up was supposed to resolve his weight issue. Just can't see it getting better for him at 147 by any means. Seen some highlights this morning and off the first KD you could see that look...the wide eyed unfocused oh shit it's going to be a long night because I can't take that shot look. Yeh just basic butt/shoulder slow smoked, cajun rub, dijon, cinnamon and a pile of light toasted brioche rolls. Sauteed onion and slaw for the capper :-X. Meat prices have finally dropped locally!Quote:
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Originally Posted by Spicoli
Haney looks far too small for 140 never mind 147. When you see it you'll be shocked how small he looks. Any 140 pounder anywhere near the top of the rankings who is a monstor for his weight will be thinking I can't outbox him but I could walk right through him.
What precise part of the pig did you smoke and in what fashion?
You should try doing this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WDIRpGaidY&ab_channel=TheCurryKid
You can make chicken like this:
https://i.ibb.co/g94wgVF/tandoori-chicken-1-11.jpg
Cover that chicken with lemon juice and it tastes spectacular. That would go down a storm in your neck of the woods, everybody will want to try the spicy red chicken. That's a chain of restaurants and/or food trucks just sitting there waiting to be had.
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This.
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This.
Garcia wrecked a pound for pound unbeaten fighter. Took his soul. He must have some reasonable level of boxing talent no?
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This.
Garcia wrecked a pound for pound unbeaten fighter. Took his soul. He must have some reasonable level of boxing talent no?
"Reasonable level of boxing talent" is a fairly low bar to reach, so... sure. :)
But when I read "degenerative infancy" (good one ;D ), "glaring unprofessionalism" (nail on head), and "celebrated childishness" (ouch)... I'm only sorry I didn't think of those spot-on descriptions first. ;D
Yes. PrincessRy wrecked Haney. Which just goes to show me that the other 140-pound champions (Matias, Teo, Pitbull) would surely have ripped Haney a new one.
A now-exposed chin, and a now-suspect ranking heading into the fight. Sadly, Haney was overrated. It happens.
Yes. The kid (Garcia) is talented.
But spare us the teenage girl shenanigans, the nose-thumbing at basic weight rules, and the leapfrogging of more deserving fighters to fame and fortune.
He's good. But I'll be firmly rooting against him in every fight he fights.
I apologize to Ryan Garcia. I was wrong
That ended up being an entertaining contest but too scrappy and too much holding to be rated a classic.
Garcia left hook had immediate affect in the first round when it landed on Haney, whose eye’s went into orbit from the impact.
The power in Garcia left hook was the main difference as he knocked down poor Haney 3 times.
Devin was outboxing Ryan when he was not getting rocked and was ahead in the first half of the bout. Haney was slower and was less resistant against Garcia. Ryan fought in erratic bursts which confused Haney so much that he forgot about the dangerous left hook.
Those knockdowns will have an impact on Haney, and I hope he comes back but both fighters were huge at the weight which is normal for boxers nowadays.
I do not like Garcia, he missed the weight, acted like a brat and I hate his shoulder roll. It is poor and I blame Floyd for influencing boxers thinking they can use it. Garcia poor but highly rated trainer can not control Ryan, he is a law to himself and will implode.
Judge Robin Taylor on the right seemed a bit too pro Ryan Garcia.
What leapfrogging? You can't complain that most top fighters would rather avoid each other, which is true, and then complain when one of them actually takes big fights. He's a top talent and very promotable. Promoters are going to be queuing to promote him and willing to put up the dollars required to get big fights. And he takes the fights. He fought Davis who a lot of top fighters are avoiding. And he's the best name on Davis's record, that fucker is still fighting second tier opposition thirty fights into his career. It's a shame Davis isn't doing a bit of leapfrogging isn't it. Then he fought Haney who is an unbeaten pound for pound guy. So he isn't being protected and he's taking the big fights when they can be made. We would all love it if all the top boxers did this.Quote:
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This.
Garcia wrecked a pound for pound unbeaten fighter. Took his soul. He must have some reasonable level of boxing talent no?
"Reasonable level of boxing talent" is a fairly low bar to reach, so... sure. :)
But when I read "degenerative infancy" (good one ;D ), "glaring unprofessionalism" (nail on head), and "celebrated childishness" (ouch)... I'm only sorry I didn't think of those spot-on descriptions first. ;D
Yes. PrincessRy wrecked Haney. Which just goes to show me that the other 140-pound champions (Matias, Teo, Pitbull) would surely have ripped Haney a new one.
A now-exposed chin, and a now-suspect ranking heading into the fight. Sadly, Haney was overrated. It happens.
Yes. The kid (Garcia) is talented.
But spare us the teenage girl shenanigans, the nose-thumbing at basic weight rules, and the leapfrogging of more deserving fighters to fame and fortune.
He's good. But I'll be firmly rooting against him in every fight he fights.
If there's any fighter out there who could go the social media freak show route and pick up huge purses fighting guys he has no chance of losing against it's Garcia but he's taking the big fights so deserves some credit for that.
A gross miscalculation by Haneys mob. No one has ever won a fight wearing Ugg boots.
Do Ryan and Danny have the same Daddy? Or did they get them both from the same we're 50 but think we're 20 Guido factory?
His shoulder roll is shocking. He has no idea what he's doing or why he should be doing it. I forgot to mention that.Quote:
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Haney was the house fighter, the left side of the poster. If Garcia hadn't knocked him down three times they would have given it to Haney. The ref didn't count at least one legitimate knockdown and took a point away from Garcia when he should have just warned him. He gave Haney extra time to recover from knockdowns, didn't take a point for the endless holding and various other little moves that all helped Haney.Quote:
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In the end they had to give it to Garcia though. There would have been a riot if they'd given it to Haney.
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The moment his soul left his body.
Makes up for this robbery
https://youtube.com/shorts/4OxefcsIG...jy06mORj2N4_jq
Well done King Ryan Garcia :appl:
Ryan fooled me ;D
The card had a few surprises
Garcia showed perfectly how to hook off the jab in the 7th
Haney needs to learn to keep his right up after throwing a left
That flaw was devastating against Garcia's left hook
Ok finally got to watch full version that wasn't hacked to bits, and good luck finding those. Now to be fair I've always been hesitant to score replays or at the least take all of them with a grain of salt as well, we already KNOW the result as well as the general reaction one way or the other. But regardless of how critical I was/am of Ryans conduct and just being full of shat in general I like to think I can be 'fair' when it comes to scoring over the years. You don't score from highlights or incomplete fights and fractured rounds. If it's sped up, missing chunks it doesn't count. So of the top...I had Ryan winning. But winning close. This was by no means a full-fledged bell to bell beat down similar to Crawford v Spence which I've seen it compared to. In the end I had it a 112-111 win Garcia. So for an after the fact view here tis,
1st to Garcia 10-9. Largely based on the early pressure very left hook that clearly stunned Haney. Though Haney actually steadied as would become a pattern of sorts.
2nd,3rd Haney 10-9 x2. Largely on subtle pressure and cleaner boxing. No mystery.
4th Haney 10-9 for much of the same but noticed Haney getting vertical feet. Straight line. Spots where he would rush over his lead but clearly better boxing, cleaner shots. And jabs count..
5th Haney 10-9 same fashion. By now the shell/sideways tortoise "guard" Ryan was doing was well in play. Literal back turned in a few spots as the fight played out. This is where I take issue with some of the Haney doing all the holding talk. Ryan had a very effective thing he was doing in sapping Haney. He'd clinch his neck out of the weird guard and had been warned all night for it. In spots almost draping himself on neck of Haney. Using the size. Haney was holding when he felt the power.
6th Haney 10-9. Ryan more with the back turned guard thing in corner and Haney focusing on exposed body/side. You hit what's there no? The ref actually warned Haney twice for working the body of Garcia who turned himself that way. End of round crowd was booing.
7th Garcia 10-7. Massive round Ryan and one that I scored 10-7 with the damage Haney was showing and how literally rubber his legs were. Argument can be made for 2nd kd but ruled slip. The point deduct was on Ryan clearly hit on the break, he put himself in that position. What get's lost is that even if ref "helped" Haney in round he also ignored Garcia running ring center after kd, out of neutral corner while counting. A favoring ref would have stopped action, walked him back, admonish etc. Talk about giving extra time. Ryan ends round zero punching his hands were at his knees, standing there. He was looking for wind.
8th Haney 10-9. Credit where credit is due...Haney steadied the ship and outworked Garcia though very weary and busted up.
9th Garcia 10-9. Now to me, this was a very tough round to score. At first I thought even. But I hate even round it's just very indecisive and undecided. Ryan warned again to stay off his head with arm wrap up. But at about the 40 second mark there was a stutter step on Haney that was some seriously ugly footing. Haney stepped in with what looked like a karate stance ffs and hands wide and really missed being sparked ice cold. Go look at it ;D. Ryan whips an uppercut that half lands on a fully exposed jaw hanging out Haney. Just an odd-dumb moment.
10th Garcia 10-8. Probably Ryans cleanest most effective round to point. Rolled off strong combo coming forward and drops Haney early. Again Haney has that sagging look in his legs and is clocked again late.
11th Garcia 10-8. Fairly even/ugly round early with both warned more than once for holding and clinching. Haney dropped off of right hand left hook, eyes spin up and a wrestling match ensues. Ryan looks a little ragged and Haney looks a lot hurt. But both tying up.
12th Haney 10-9. Honestly, I think Ryan pooched this round after another example pf having Haney in bad shape prior. Some ugly clinches, Haney probing and sticking and lots of movement for the sake of movement from Ryan. In a round where he was admonished in corner "don't play with him and blow this round" he ends it with shacking his hips hands down at knees and sticking out his tongue. So Ryan gets the win fair and square once the fight started. Both in dire need of moving up imo and had noticeable points in stamina. Haney can't break an egg or hurt feelings with his punches. Ryan is by no means a finisher and fought in gaps of activity. He used his size and frame deceptively and to his advantage in close. Haney showed very little adjustment and can be said he didn't fight the smart fight. But he showed some sac not having too much say in the matter once he was hurt. Garcia with 2,3 combos is a true threat but way too few and far between and his defense remains leaky. No idea where Haney goes...147 Mario Barrios? As for Ryan it's getting a bit carried away tbh. Calls for Ryan vs Crawford mmm :-X. Let's keep things in perspective.
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Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingWhat leapfrogging? You can't complain that most top fighters would rather avoid each other, which is true, and then complain when one of them actually takes big fights. He's a top talent and very promotable. Promoters are going to be queuing to promote him and willing to put up the dollars required to get big fights. And he takes the fights. He fought Davis who a lot of top fighters are avoiding. And he's the best name on Davis's record, that fucker is still fighting second tier opposition thirty fights into his career. It's a shame Davis isn't doing a bit of leapfrogging isn't it. Then he fought Haney who is an unbeaten pound for pound guy. So he isn't being protected and he's taking the big fights when they can be made. We would all love it if all the top boxers did this.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Spicoli
This.
Garcia wrecked a pound for pound unbeaten fighter. Took his soul. He must have some reasonable level of boxing talent no?
"Reasonable level of boxing talent" is a fairly low bar to reach, so... sure. :)
But when I read "degenerative infancy" (good one ;D ), "glaring unprofessionalism" (nail on head), and "celebrated childishness" (ouch)... I'm only sorry I didn't think of those spot-on descriptions first. ;D
Yes. PrincessRy wrecked Haney. Which just goes to show me that the other 140-pound champions (Matias, Teo, Pitbull) would surely have ripped Haney a new one.
A now-exposed chin, and a now-suspect ranking heading into the fight. Sadly, Haney was overrated. It happens.
Yes. The kid (Garcia) is talented.
But spare us the teenage girl shenanigans, the nose-thumbing at basic weight rules, and the leapfrogging of more deserving fighters to fame and fortune.
He's good. But I'll be firmly rooting against him in every fight he fights.
If there's any fighter out there who could go the social media freak show route and pick up huge purses fighting guys he has no chance of losing against it's Garcia but he's taking the big fights so deserves some credit for that.
"Most top fighters would rather avoid each other" is a generalization I wouldn't be too comfortable making. Let's start with "top fighters." You mean quality fighters at or near the top of their divisions? Or you mean the box office draws that only casual fans know about? Because that distinction is important. If you're talking top draws, then yeah... maybe there's some high-profile names out there that "would rather avoid" other fighters. I can think of a certain redhead that excels at just that. If you're talking the former, then I think that generalization is a bit unfair. There are top fighters laboring at or near the top of their divisions, who have ALREADY taken on the best fighters out there.
"He takes the big fights." He got noticed with Luke Campbell... got knocked out by Davis... picked on an undersized Duarte who was making a jump from lightweight... and beat a Devin Haney who, let's face it... was likely a bit overrated. Do you consider this a lengthy resume? One constructed with good fight after good fight? Hey I get it... it's the 2020's. Instant gratification is where it's at. Have good looks and a massive social media account... will follow.
You won't see me defending Davis, who has all the talent in the world, but little to show for it.
But back to Ryan. He was wanting an exhibition against Pacquiao back when Pac shouldn't even have given him the time of day. He calls himself "The Face of Boxing." He wears a silly crown and calls himself King. King of what, exactly? I can probably mention a few things he's king of... but don't want to sound insensitive.
Let's be clear... I've never said he has no talent. My main point is he's bad for boxing.
I don't mean to brag but erm well.......
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GL19opPW...name=4096x4096
Also Devin ?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GL2GOENX...pg&name=medium
Think Devin might have to plead the 5th after Saturday on that one
I want to say that's it's good and a welcome change to see two young elite fighters IN THEIR PRIMES fighting. Ray Leonard was 25 and Hearns was 22 when they fought. Ray Leonard was 23 and Duran was 28 when they fought. Ali was 28 and Frazier 26 when they first fought. They were classics for a reason. They're in their primes !!! Stop ageing these fighters out till they are close to 40 and then getting it on and we have to watch Brook Vs Khan or Mayweather Vs Manny trash
Anyway gotta say Devin's response to the defeat has been class
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GL2EC3WW...png&name=small
And Bill Haney's response
“We turn losses into lessons and then turn them into blessings”
Fair play to Bill here. They're chalking that shyt up and getting back in the lab and I gotta say Haney ain't got no quit in him. He doesn't strike me as the type of guy that'll be mentally broken by this loss. Haney is just cursed with inferior genetics. Mid chin, he has “keep you honest” power, but though he backed Garcia multiple times he can't crack and his defence failed him when he got caught by the main punch that’s outstanding in Garcia’s arsenal. Now everybody with good size will think they can just walk him down to get to his chin.
Devin is STILL a blue chip fighter, he's mix of Paulie Malignaggi and Amir khan but he's not great on the front foot. He needs to improve his counterpunching when it gets hectic and he has no idea how to defend himself on the inside other than by clinching. That worked for him when he was much heavier than his opponents, although even then it was barely enough against Loma.
But against a guy like Ryan who was at least his size if not bigger, it was disastrous. Haney was massive at 135 so when he was fighting smaller older guys with shorter arms. He was able to control range, jab, counter shots to the body. Grabbing and hold is much more effective when you're the stronger/longer dude. But the moment he fought a taller bigger man with just as much reach as him ? He was lost.
Far too often Haney tried to clinch against Ryan but couldn't do so quickly enough, and was wide open for Garcia's hook, uppercut and chopping right. And when he could clinch, Garcia made him pay for it by outwrestling him and making him carry his weight (on his neck), which is probably a big part of why he slowed down as the fight went on.
I also thought as soon as Ryan hurt Haney in the first round he needed to open and I truly believe he could have got Devin out of there in Rnd1 because Haney wasn't going anywhere. Haney for whatever reason was trying to catch and shoot. Unlike Tank, who wasn't bothered with that machismo, stand your ground stuff. Tank thought "You open up on me Ryan and I'm getting outta there and then I'll catch you on the way in" I didn't get why Ryan was giving Devin so much time and space.
But love him or hate him, Haney challenges himself in a way very few fighters do
And it has to be talked about
But when Ryan came in 3 lbs overweight I knew this was gonna be an issue. I think it was planned for him to not give a fk about making weight and come in as heavy and as strong as possible. Where as Devin actually made weight. We should be saluting Team Haney for even going along with the fight. I would say the vast majority of the athletes in combat sports are trying to be weight bullies. The whole idea of cutting weight originates from wrestlers who are trying to get down into a smaller weight class, so that they have a strength advantage. It's morphed over time into what we have today in boxing, wrestling, and MMA.
Boxing is becoming one big weight grift then again some would say Haney has weighed up to 160 in his fights so they don't feel much sympathy for someone who's had considerable size advantage in majority of his fights. So what happened on Saturday is justice to some because the three pounds were meaningless as Haney, typically rehydrates 20 plus pounds on fight night. Which means he probably weighed more than Garcia. What I've learned from this is that nobody really cares about anything other than the result at the end of the day. History only cares about who won and lost
But you only need to look at Ryan who fought Tank and the Ryan who Devin to see the difference.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GL19qytW...g&name=900x900
Right pic looks like he was just liberated by the Allied Army. Emaciated looking.
Ryan is crazy and he can fight. They are not mutually exclusive things. He's not Ricardo Mayorga crazy but he is a bit crazy. Ryan has been putting in work in the boxing since a kid, kicking ass since the amateurs. Ppl be letting the social media fool them. Garcia is savage with them hands. He has one-hit KO power in his left and a stun gun in his right. Pair those with his good offensive reaction time and if he corrected his sloppy footwork, he'd be very tough to beat. Only way you can really stop him is if you yourself have lethal power and top notch defence (Tank).
He threw 11 jabs in the whole fight and I was told "the jab is most important punch" Imagine if Ryan dedicated his life to boxing like Haney ? He literally doesn’t even jab.......like at all, and still beat the former undisputed champ. Insane. Ryan is like the Deontay Wilder of the lightweights, except it’s his punch speed that catches everyone
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Originally Posted by Denilson3.0
I watched a couple of rounds again but mainly the seventh. The ref kept Haney in the fight here. He spent the seventh and other times Haney was shaken and holding calling for them to break but he never physically broke them. Taking a point without a warning and not taking a point for the endless holding is bad enough but letting Haney cling on without braking them when Haney was one punch away from being knocked out was shocking. I mean he's giving Haney every chance to get through it and make it to the later rounds and the point deduction/non point deduction helps the judges fiddle the cards if it was close and oh at least one knockdown ruled a slip. It's bad but it's what you expect. Haney is the house fighter and you expect it. We've seen similar fights over the years with similar reffing and it's given the judges the opportunity to give the win to a guy who really lost. Without the three knockdowns they would have done it here too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Boxing is being left behind by UFC and even now fucking youtubers and ancient old fighters. What's left is being atomised by the alphabet bodies and their multiple belts. Other than a massive Hispanic following in America it's dying a death, the non Hispanic fans are all middle aged or older. Anybody that brings any attention to the sport part of boxing is fantastic for boxing. Anything that attracts young fans, the social media generation and gets in the tabloids is great for boxing. You may not like this world and how it is now but this is how it is now. This is the world we live in. Even if he ends up fighting some of the freak show people, and he will because the money will be huge and there'll be zero risk, none of this is bad for boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
I can't speak for Harvey but in my eye the holding/clinching was pretty mutual. Ryan more subtle with it and tbh he fought the pace of an older fighter, managing his gas tank. And the turning of back is blatant and I believe illegal but it enabled Garcia to break out of it into the clear head locks he was rightfully warned for. He calls it a shoulder roll but James Toney is laughing out loud at that. It's strictly a defensive shell...and Haney was repeatedly told not to punch him early on. Ryan doesn't fight out of it, no up jab and no counter right. He was just shelling up to get the break and kill time. Would he have stopped Haney in 7th I have no idea. Like I said at least one of those was a KD to me and should have been called also. But again by not doing so didn't it actually afford Haney less time. I thought for sure Ryan would stop him easily going into 8th after all that damage but he couldn't. And again going into 11th and 12th, but he didn't. I still think this was actually a close fight absent the knockdowns judging per the individual round and not the collective. In rounds I think I had it 7-5 Haney to be honest. It's hard to argue a fight the guy won at the end of the day but in large part I put not getting the KO on Ryan himself. He just didn't prepare for a sustained onslaught and fought in gaps for a 25 year old. Drinking, smoking and raging in a part time "camp" does that to a guy. Cause and effect. I think all three judges were generous giving him the 12th too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingI watched a couple of rounds again but mainly the seventh. The ref kept Haney in the fight here. He spent the seventh and other times Haney was shaken and holding calling for them to break but he never physically broke them. Taking a point without a warning and not taking a point for the endless holding is bad enough but letting Haney cling on without braking them when Haney was one punch away from being knocked out was shocking. I mean he's giving Haney every chance to get through it and make it to the later rounds and the point deduction/non point deduction helps the judges fiddle the cards if it was close and oh at least one knockdown ruled a slip. It's bad but it's what you expect. Haney is the house fighter and you expect it. We've seen similar fights over the years with similar reffing and it's given the judges the opportunity to give the win to a guy who really lost. Without the three knockdowns they would have done it here too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
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Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingBoxing is being left behind by UFC and even now fucking youtubers and ancient old fighters. What's left is being atomised by the alphabet bodies and their multiple belts. Other than a massive Hispanic following in America it's dying a death, the non Hispanic fans are all middle aged or older. Anybody that brings any attention to the sport part of boxing is fantastic for boxing. Anything that attracts young fans, the social media generation and gets in the tabloids is great for boxing. You may not like this world and how it is now but this is how it is now. This is the world we live in. Even if he ends up fighting some of the freak show people, and he will because the money will be huge and there'll be zero risk, none of this is bad for boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
It's bad for those older fans you mention. Boxing's been around a hell of a lot longer than you or I. And it has survived all sorts of issues and problems that would've sunken any other sport. But all through the years, before the Ryans of the world, boxers came up the traditional way... earning their way to the top. They fought tooth and nail to get noticed. There was no adoring throngs of social media teenyboppers to fuel these artificial rises. You couldn't cash in one good fight into instant stardom, just cause you had a pretty face, called yourself king, and claimed you were something you were not. Actions had to preclude fame... not the other way around.
Now if you want to argue that it's good for the morphed shitbox they still call boxing... that's another story. Real boxing had its peak some decades ago. The real champs... the real fighters... the real fans. Now it's the freak show you aptly mentioned.
Of course boxing is being left behind by UFC. Who needs the rules of boxing? When you can pounce on your unconscious, prone opponent, and continue to beat the shit out of him. As far as the YouTubers and the "ancient old fighters"... it's another sign of the times. Taking shortcuts, instant gratification, taking the easy road, etc, etc.
So, as I define it, yeah... this freak show is bad for boxing.