OFFICIAL HAYE vs. HARRISON and PACQUIAO vs. MARGARITO SUPER THREAD!

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

You know what..are we really at the point to where we determine who is a quality human being based on produced pieces and fight promos,snippets into a camp???!! Come the fuck on !!!! As a professional he needs to have the shit kicked outta him but lets reign in the hollier then thou water walking do no evil ourselves rhetoric

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People are generally judged on their actions, and Margarito's speak for themselves. Is anyone perfect? No, but most of us don't willingly endanger the lives of others for personal gain and his actions in 24/7 are pretty damning and can be in no way explained by editing or any other like tricks.

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People MUST be held accountable for actions. actions were idiotic on 24-7 but you can rest assured he was playing the bad guy to the hilt....and as well that network was counting on it. Who doesn't like to see a villain get his ass kicked!? Its DEF a snippet into a mans make up but do I wish him dead or maimed. Ive never met the man

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

You know what..are we really at the point to where we determine who is a quality human being based on produced pieces and fight promos,snippets into a camp???!! Come the fuck on !!!! As a professional he needs to have the shit kicked outta him but lets reign in the hollier then thou water walking do no evil ourselves rhetoric

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Making fun of someone with Parkinsons and loading hand wraps isn't enough to judge Tony on? I mean I am all for the train of thought that "you're not as bad as your worst act nor as good as your best act" but come on Spicoli, this dude is bad news maybe he had a rough upbringing, maybe his Mama didn't hug him enough, but you DO NOT load your wraps in a boxing match....I mean that is as low as whale shit at the bottom of the ocean....it doesn't get lower. Pro boxers fight for a living, and by loading his wraps Margarito tried to take someone's livelihood away from them and that's unacceptable and what's worse is that he got a second chance whether he deserved it or not and he took that opportunity to make fun of Freddy Roach who has Parkinson's.....it's not right man, it's not acceptable, and this whole "I didn't know" bullshit that Margarito and his camp pull to explain away both of those events is just a slap in the face.

I wanted Margarito to get fucked up and honestly I'm pretty fucking happy about it even though it's not going to fix anything, as a boxing fan the way I see this is that Antonio Margarito got what he deserved and if he never fights again it'll be too soon!

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He did not take the piss out of Roach's Parkinsons disease. The guy who actually made the original video has already explained that Margarito was emphasising that Roach is quite scary with the statements that he makes. The video has been cut and edited to show an entirely different thing.

Also we have no hard evidence that Margarito knew about his wraps. His trainer has taken all responsibility. Even then I do agree that Margarito should share some of the blame and he has served his so called sentence for it.

I agree with Spicoli's original post. I also think there gets a point when you have to move on. For me Margarito has now done that. He has gone the distance with the best and shown he CAN put a dent in him. This also makes me question whether the gloves have been loaded in previous fights. I suspected that maybe he had, but now I am not so sure. Either way we just DO NOT KNOW. It is all just guess work on our part.

Anyway, Margarito has redeemed himself a little in my eyes. You can keep on repeating the same thing in every thread, but it does get a little tired. Margarito fought hard tonight and I respect a fighter that does that. Audley Harrison is the biggest criminal from tonight.

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

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Originally Posted by Majesty

The only real fights of interest in Pacquiao's mind would be the winner of Alexander vs Bradley. Pacquiao can obviously make 140. and Bradley has already called him out. But I'm sure if Pacquiao fights again and it isn't Mayweather, it will be another Arum fighter.

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And if let's say that fight were to be made, you know what the next criticism will be? Well he fought a smaller man, it's expected he will dominate!:rolleyes:

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Anyone that thinks anyone at 140 is a smaller man than Pacquiao would be stupid. He has to eat to make 144. 140 is probably his perfect weight class where he'd actually have to cut weight.

Alexander nor Bradley are smaller then him. There's no way Pacquiao fights at 140 and people say he was fighting smaller men.

i cant understand why pac let marg trap him on the ropes.... i can hear buboy, pacs coach to stop doing that but pac still continued to lay his back on the ropes. he got a bit slower when he got caught. good thing he still has the speed to negate margs rally.


margs coach was asked if he ever considered stopping the fight cause marg was obviously hurt. and was a bit dissapointed by his answer, i mean well yeah mexican heart and all. but the coach has a clearer mind than the fighter and he should take care of his fighter. on the 11th he asked marg once if he was okay and i think marg didnt replied he shouldve stopped it already.

congrats pac! and i wish all of us here will stop nagging him cause he's been giving us wonderful fights to watch and enjoy.

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Originally Posted by miles

He did not take the piss out of Roach's Parkinsons disease. The guy who actually made the original video has already explained that Margarito was emphasising that Roach is quite scary with the statements that he makes. The video has been cut and edited to show an entirely different thing.

Also we have no hard evidence that Margarito knew about his wraps. His trainer has taken all responsibility. Even then I do agree that Margarito should share some of the blame and he has served his so called sentence for it.

I agree with Spicoli's original post. I also think there gets a point when you have to move on. For me Margarito has now done that. He has gone the distance with the best and shown he CAN put a dent in him. This also makes me question whether the gloves have been loaded in previous fights. I suspected that maybe he had, but now I am not so sure. Either way we just DO NOT KNOW. It is all just guess work on our part.

Anyway, Margarito has redeemed himself a little in my eyes. You can keep on repeating the same thing in every thread, but it does get a little tired. Margarito fought hard tonight and I respect a fighter that does that. Audley Harrison is the biggest criminal from tonight.

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As for the video....that's bullshit Margarito and Rios knew what they were doing....it's all part of selling a fight isn't that what people usually say?

As a BOXER Antonio Margarito will never be redeemed in my eyes....as a person tonight and vs Shane Mosley he did his time, but as a BOXER I do not forgive him and each time he steps in that ring I'll be for whoever is against him.

His former trainer can take all the blame he wants to, but I know this, I know if someone wrapped my hands I could tell whether or not the wraps were loaded (and perhaps there needs to be an ESPN study on whether or not fighters can tell if their wraps are loaded or not for future cases) and I think just like Panama Lewis and Luis Resto both the trainer and the fighter knew the deal.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

You know what..are we really at the point to where we determine who is a quality human being based on produced pieces and fight promos,snippets into a camp???!! Come the fuck on !!!! As a professional he needs to have the shit kicked outta him but lets reign in the hollier then thou water walking do no evil ourselves rhetoric

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Making fun of someone with Parkinsons and loading hand wraps isn't enough to judge Tony on? I mean I am all for the train of thought that "you're not as bad as your worst act nor as good as your best act" but come on Spicoli, this dude is bad news maybe he had a rough upbringing, maybe his Mama didn't hug him enough, but you DO NOT load your wraps in a boxing match....I mean that is as low as whale shit at the bottom of the ocean....it doesn't get lower. Pro boxers fight for a living, and by loading his wraps Margarito tried to take someone's livelihood away from them and that's unacceptable and what's worse is that he got a second chance whether he deserved it or not and he took that opportunity to make fun of Freddy Roach who has Parkinson's.....it's not right man, it's not acceptable, and this whole "I didn't know" bullshit that Margarito and his camp pull to explain away both of those events is just a slap in the face.

I wanted Margarito to get fucked up and honestly I'm pretty fucking happy about it even though it's not going to fix anything, as a boxing fan the way I see this is that Antonio Margarito got what he deserved and if he never fights again it'll be too soon!

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My man as a fighter he deserved what he got and maybe more, no fan boy making excuses here but when I tuned in to watch him compete I can't have it both ways...but do I judge him as a 'man' or person from the backseat without ever meeting him eye to eye...nope. The list would be long and ever growing from my bar stool... But maybe I do root for the bus when Ayala,Seldon,Morel etc cross the street.

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

My man as a fighter he deserved what he got and maybe more, no fan boy making excuses here but when I tuned in to watch him compete I can't have it both ways...but do I judge him as a 'man' or person from the backseat without ever meeting him eye to eye...nope. The list would be long and ever growing from my bar stool... But maybe I do root for the bus when Ayala,Seldon,Morel etc cross the street.

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That's all I'm saying....as a BOXER Margarito deserved that beating and if he fights again I hope he loses again. As a MAN he's gotten his punishment from Shane, Manny, and the propper athletic commissions.

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

My man as a fighter he deserved what he got and maybe more, no fan boy making excuses here but when I tuned in to watch him compete I can't have it both ways...but do I judge him as a 'man' or person from the backseat without ever meeting him eye to eye...nope. The list would be long and ever growing from my bar stool... But maybe I do root for the bus when Ayala,Seldon,Morel etc cross the street.

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Curious, why does Seldon deserve mention in that context?

Not in shock, kind of sobering up but what should have happened, happened. Pacquiao is a better fighter then Margarito, when he started with his patented movement in round 3 or 4 it was ovah, Margarito was never going to win. NO props to Margarito who took a beating he deserved and still got paid to much for it. Hell yeah I'm still bitter. I don't want to see anyone hurt in the ring but Margarito is a very very hard guy to feel sorry for.

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Originally Posted by amat

NO props to Margarito who took a beating he deserved and still got paid to much for it. Hell yeah I'm still bitter. I don't want to see anyone hurt in the ring but Margarito is a very very hard guy to feel sorry for.

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Agreed...& I don't know if all that shit was going down in the dressing room & all their "on camera antics" (talking shit & makin fun of Roach) would lead one to believe that Margarito just loves to be hated...either that...or he's as STUPID as Steward says they are.

At the end of the day...that was a great fight...I don't care what anyone says...but let's hope that Pac moves back down the ladder...even though that might seem like underacheiving...take on the prominent belt holders of 140 if you can't get Floyd & hang it up a KING!!

That was a bang up night fellars...one that gave way to a pounding head ache in the a.m.

What a great night of action. Won £93 on the Haye fight and then £22.50 on the Pacman fight. :cool:

Fantastic performance by Manny, absolutely destroyed Tony. There is not a chance in
hell Floyd will get in a ring with him now. Giving Tony such a beating could be, financially, his downfall. :biggrin:

On another note, how the fuck did Mike Jones win get that decions of 96 - 94? Fucking hell. That was disgraceful (if not predictable).

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

My man as a fighter he deserved what he got and maybe more, no fan boy making excuses here but when I tuned in to watch him compete I can't have it both ways...but do I judge him as a 'man' or person from the backseat without ever meeting him eye to eye...nope. The list would be long and ever growing from my bar stool... But maybe I do root for the bus when Ayala,Seldon,Morel etc cross the street.

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That's all I'm saying....as a BOXER Margarito deserved that beating and if he fights again I hope he loses again. As a MAN he's gotten his punishment from Shane, Manny, and the propper athletic commissions.

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I think he's done. The blue prints out but his durability and style will see him brought in as opponent again. Dude took his lumps,earned them but I dont 'know' these guys fully from my recliner and TV. Who the hell am I ?

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

I think he's done. The blue prints out but his durability and style will see him brought in as opponent again. Dude took his lumps,earned them but I dont 'know' these guys fully from my recliner and TV. Who the hell am I ?

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I told you he was mentally broken before this and what Manny did will only hurt him worse. You get used to that extra advantage when you're cheating and when you can't cheat anymore you can't get to that top gear you could get into when you did have the extra advantage and everyone saw it, Margarito reached down deep and came up with nothing.....because he no longer had that extra advantage and you can't tell me the Cotto fight wouldn't have been different had Tony not been loading his wraps, Cotto had the perfect game plan for him and was nailing the shit out of him....it would have just gotten worse for Tony had he not cheated and no one can tell me otherwise.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

I think he's done. The blue prints out but his durability and style will see him brought in as opponent again. Dude took his lumps,earned them but I dont 'know' these guys fully from my recliner and TV. Who the hell am I ?

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I told you he was mentally broken before this and what Manny did will only hurt him worse. You get used to that extra advantage when you're cheating and when you can't cheat anymore you can't get to that top gear you could get into when you did have the extra advantage and everyone saw it, Margarito reached down deep and came up with nothing.....because he no longer had that extra advantage and you can't tell me the Cotto fight wouldn't have been different had Tony not been loading his wraps, Cotto had the perfect game plan for him and was nailing the shit out of him....it would have just gotten worse for Tony had he not cheated and no one can tell me otherwise.

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How lumped up was Tony after Cotto punched him in the face for 11 rounds? I dont attribute the physocological downfall to him losing his "advantage", I'm not reading a man's soul dude, as much as I do he,or any fighter coming off the first one sided physical AND mental beating and defeat of one's career at the hands of Mosley. He has always taken shots and has had one simple gear there to exploit with speed....Margarito was not beating Manny lastnight even if he had a baseball bat in each hand.

08-27-2010 03:53 AM #8
stebs







http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...cons/icon1.gif Re: Margarito Licensed To Fight In Texas

Pacman & Roach took this fight because it's an easy, real easy fight and when it's over Margarito will be wishing he was turned down again.


Pacman by KO


Margarito will be so confused and beat up that night he won't be able to find his way back to Mexico.

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I was almost right but he was able to find the hospital with a little help from the ambulance, now just point him in the direction of Mexico and he should find his way (Maybe)